Pork was right

[thedoper]

Come on everyone. Time to fess up. I'll start. I'm sorry for doubting you Pork. Rubio was never as good as I thought he was. Who's next?

[TAFKASP]

He's every bit as good as I thought he was, he just isn't as good as I thought he would become... so f'ck you Pork!

;)

[Brooklyn_Wolves [enjin:14608167]]

Come on everyone. Time to fess up. I'll start. I'm sorry for doubting you Pork. Rubio was never as good as I thought he was. Who's next?

Aren't you a vice president of Pork's club? lol.

[thedoper]

Come on everyone. Time to fess up. I'll start. I'm sorry for doubting you Pork. Rubio was never as good as I thought he was. Who's next?

Aren't you a vice president of Pork's club? lol.

I have been gradually moving away from Rubio. I had my doubts for a while, but it's gone too far. I never believe a shot is going in and it is been since the first game of last year against the Lakers that I felt Rubio has been the primary contributor in a win. I like him, I even believe he can contribute to a winning basketball team. But he should not be a starter with a bunch of kids. He should be a back up on a championship team, like for the Cavs or something.

[Shumway]

Yep, I think everyone must be approaching at least 80-90% Porkchop these days. I've always liked Rubio, but he's just failed to be part of a winning team. He may not be 'the problem', but if he's not part of the solution...

I think Cool was the first one to go 100% Porkchop, so I like to think I'm getting more Cool rather than getting more Porkchop.

Now looking forward to Pork's next piece of prescient insight.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Fun thread and Pork is one of my favorite guys on here, but sorry...he was not right about Ricky prior to this year. Until his collapse this year, he was the straw that stirred the drink for this team throughout his career, and had the peripheral numbers to support this assertion. We all are aware of his excellent on/off numbers prior to this year, as well as his raw assist, rebounds and steals number. Further, somebody here (I can't remember who) posted earlier this week a really interesting defensive performance graph from last season that had Ricky ranked up with the Tony Allens of the league (this graph deserved more discussion by the way...whoever posted it, please repost).

But while Pork has not been right for several seasons, Ricky has become what Pork used to say he was...and as a result this board fairly has turned against Ricky. We don't know why Ricky's performance is so much worse this year, but I have two theories. I know that Wolves' ownership is convinced that his elbow is really bothering him still and is hampering his performance. I'll take their word that the elbow is a factor, but I also think Thibs has a lot to do with his decline. Thibs' controlling style that Lip's Chicago friend has told him about is exactly the wrong way to coach Ricky, and seems to have sucked all the joy and effectiveness out of his game. It's the main reason that I've taken a pass on watching the past three games...Thibs has taken the joy out of the Wolves for me too, for the first time in franchise history. I know it's only 19 games, but I'm more and more convinced of one thing....hiring Thibodeau was a disastrous move.

[Monster]

Fun thread and Pork is one of my favorite guys on here, but sorry...he was not right about Ricky prior to this year. Until his collapse this year, he was the straw that stirred the drink for this team throughout his career, and had the peripheral numbers to support this assertion. We all are aware of his excellent on/off numbers prior to this year, as well as his raw assist, rebounds and steals number. Further, somebody here (I can't remember who) posted earlier this week a really interesting defensive performance graph from last season that had Ricky ranked up with the Tony Allens of the league (this graph deserved more discussion by the way...whoever posted it, please repost).

But while Pork has not been right for several seasons, Ricky has become what Pork used to say he was...and as a result this board fairly has turned against Ricky. We don't know why Ricky's performance is so much worse this year, but I have two theories. I know that Wolves' ownership is convinced that his elbow is really bothering him still and is hampering his performance. I'll take their word that the elbow is a factor, but I also think Thibs has a lot to do with his decline. Thibs' controlling style that Lip's Chicago friend has told him about is exactly the wrong way to coach Ricky, and seems to have sucked all the joy and effectiveness out of his game. It's the main reason that I've taken a pass on watching the past three games...Thibs has taken the joy out of the Wolves for me too, for the first time in franchise history. I know it's only 19 games, but I'm more and more convinced of one thing....hiring Thibodeau was a disastrous move.

Interesting info about Ricky's elbow. I'll have to watch and see if Insee any signs of issues but He seems fine.

After looking at Rubio's stats this year it seems like he is moving in the right direction after a slow start. Obviously he is taking significantly fewer shots this year and yet he is taking a decent chunk of 3's and that's a shot I want him taking. He probably isn't going to shot a great percentage but he probably will shoot better Thant he 23% from that range he is shooting now.

As for the joy thing...personally my observation is that it's about as likely that the young players with their play has sucked joy out of Rubio more than anything. I've seen plenty of times when they have clearly frustrated him espcially on the defensive end. They aren't sprinting up the floor in transition and that's one of the weirdest things about these guys and we saw it last year too Sam yelling at them to get up the court while they just sort of jog down there. Now Rubio has thrown some bad passes both in half court and in transition but SOME of those I don't mind because it sends a message to run the floor and keep your eyes open at all times. He needs to reign it in sometimes but overall the is pretty far from a turnover machine.

To me Pork right now looks right that's Ricky won't be better than he has been for the past however many years. That doesn't mean Ricky isn't an effective player. Like Insaid a few weeks ago is Rubio a Calderon type player one with some serious flaws but some reallly good strengths? They are guys you like having put your team espcially if their contract is favorable but they also have issues that...need to be covered up. I wonder if the Mav's would be interested in Ricky.

[60WinTim]

My Porkchop levels have been very low in the past. But as I see more and more of our offense run through our Big 3, and Rubio's shot continue to flounder, and Dunn's defense outshine Rubio, my Porkchop levels have been rising.

Does anyone have a cure?!? ;-)

[Monster]

My Porkchop levels have been very low in the past. But as I see more and more of our offense run through our Big 3, and Rubio's shot continue to flounder, and Dunn's defense outshine Rubio, my Porkchop levels have been rising.

Does anyone have a cure?!? ;-)

Tofu?

[TheFuture]

Fun thread and Pork is one of my favorite guys on here, but sorry...he was not right about Ricky prior to this year. Until his collapse this year, he was the straw that stirred the drink for this team throughout his career, and had the peripheral numbers to support this assertion. We all are aware of his excellent on/off numbers prior to this year, as well as his raw assist, rebounds and steals number. Further, somebody here (I can't remember who) posted earlier this week a really interesting defensive performance graph from last season that had Ricky ranked up with the Tony Allens of the league (this graph deserved more discussion by the way...whoever posted it, please repost).

But while Pork has not been right for several seasons, Ricky has become what Pork used to say he was...and as a result this board fairly has turned against Ricky. We don't know why Ricky's performance is so much worse this year, but I have two theories. I know that Wolves' ownership is convinced that his elbow is really bothering him still and is hampering his performance. I'll take their word that the elbow is a factor, but I also think Thibs has a lot to do with his decline. Thibs' controlling style that Lip's Chicago friend has told him about is exactly the wrong way to coach Ricky, and seems to have sucked all the joy and effectiveness out of his game. It's the main reason that I've taken a pass on watching the past three games...Thibs has taken the joy out of the Wolves for me too, for the first time in franchise history. I know it's only 19 games, but I'm more and more convinced of one thing....hiring Thibodeau was a disastrous move.

http://i.imgur.com/mffGDrL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lsrlevu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/065Wpaq.png

This one is outdated, not sure how Rubio ranks this season:
http://i.imgur.com/ZrbVVZR.png