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Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 4:20 pm
by Q-is-here
WildWolf2813 wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 3:51 pm I don't get this at all.


Trading for Giannis requires TC to do the two things he's been at best subpar at during his tenure:

1. Hitting in the draft

2. succeeding on the margins. NAW's his #1 success story and he's gone now.
On #1, so Jokic and Murray weren't draft hits!? In Minnesota he hasn't been great on that front but not a total bust either.

On #2, there is NAW, Bones has become a competent rotation player on the cheap albeit uncertainty around his playoff readiness, and getting DDV included in the KAT trade was a great move as well.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 4:29 pm
by 60WinTim
kekgeek wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 3:42 pm The Timberwolves are looking for help from third and fourth teams to help facilitate a Giannis trade to Minnesota, per @WindhorstESPN
Just to put a bit more context on that tweet, here is the full quote on his blurb:

"They're out there recruiting 3rd and 4th teams to try to improve their offer to see if they can get Giannis. If they don't, which I think it's a long shot you can see them looking at making a backup deal with a guard"

Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 4:46 pm
by SameOldNudityDrew
One theory for why TC would go all in for Giannis is that he doesn't think we could win with this roster as is.

I didn't see who posted this earlier, but it was a smart breakdown of how good our individual players are, and then an observation that we're still just one of 6-8 really good teams out West.

Fair enough. I can see the logic behind going all in, since Giannis and Ant would give us probably the best one-two punch in the league. And arguably, star power is what wins championships.

But I'm a little wary of this line of reasoning for a couple reasons.

First, there have been plenty of top-heavy teams that WEREN'T contenders. If we have to trade away everything but the kitchen sink to get Giannis, are we really contenders with those two, a couple rotation players, and a G-League roster? What if this doesn't work? It very well might not if we have to give up too much. How could we build around those two without assets? We have to account for that risk. The ceiling could be very high, but the chance of reaching it would still depend on putting a solid roster around those two, and that won't just happen on it's own.

Second, what if being one of the top 6-8 teams is enough? We are all assuming OKC is on another level, and maybe they are, but they don't really have a second superstar. Not REALLY anyway. And yet, they're great. So you don't really NEED two superstars. And as good as they are, OKC isn't unbeatable. Any team in those top 6-8 in the West that stays healthy and gets real buy-in from the guys on the team honestly probably has a halfway decent shot, I think. And we're right there. Hell, we've been one of the last 4 teams standing two years in a row now. That's damn good, and I do think there's a possibility we could go further this year. It'll also mean a lot more with guys who have kind of grown up here. If we go to the Finals and win, think about how much more awesome it'll be if Ant, Jaden, and Naz are on the roster for that. Also, even pursuing a guy as hard as we seem to be can alienate guys currently on the roster. We should be a little careful not to mess with the chemistry here.

I'm not saying we shouldn't trade for Giannis if it's possible. I'm just saying we should think long and hard about what we'd have to give up before doing it, and avoid falling into the trap of thinking that 1) we'd automatically be a contender with Giannis, and 2) we're not already a contender now.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 4:51 pm
by Wolvesfan21
WildWolf2813 wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 3:51 pm I don't get this at all.


Trading for Giannis requires TC to do the two things he's been at best subpar at during his tenure:

1. Hitting in the draft

2. succeeding on the margins. NAW's his #1 success story and he's gone now.
I think TJ and Joan were solid picks. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on TJ yet, but not calling Joan a homerun either. The Dilly pick looks to be ish though.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 5:01 pm
by Wolvesfan21
SameOldNudityDrew wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 4:46 pm One theory for why TC would go all in for Giannis is that he doesn't think we could win with this roster as is.

I didn't see who posted this earlier, but it was a smart breakdown of how good our individual players are, and then an observation that we're still just one of 6-8 really good teams out West.

Fair enough. I can see the logic behind going all in, since Giannis and Ant would give us probably the best one-two punch in the league. And arguably, star power is what wins championships.

But I'm a little wary of this line of reasoning for a couple reasons.

First, there have been plenty of top-heavy teams that WEREN'T contenders. If we have to trade away everything but the kitchen sink to get Giannis, are we really contenders with those two, a couple rotation players, and a G-League roster? What if this doesn't work? It very well might not if we have to give up too much. How could we build around those two without assets? We have to account for that risk. The ceiling could be very high, but the chance of reaching it would still depend on putting a solid roster around those two, and that won't just happen on it's own.

Second, what if being one of the top 6-8 teams is enough? We are all assuming OKC is on another level, and maybe they are, but they don't really have a second superstar. Not REALLY anyway. And yet, they're great. So you don't really NEED two superstars. And as good as they are, OKC isn't unbeatable. Any team in those top 6-8 in the West that stays healthy and gets real buy-in from the guys on the team honestly probably has a halfway decent shot, I think. And we're right there. Hell, we've been one of the last 4 teams standing two years in a row now. That's damn good, and I do think there's a possibility we could go further this year. It'll also mean a lot more with guys who have kind of grown up here. If we go to the Finals and win, think about how much more awesome it'll be if Ant, Jaden, and Naz are on the roster for that. Also, even pursuing a guy as hard as we seem to be can alienate guys currently on the roster. We should be a little careful not to mess with the chemistry here.

I'm not saying we shouldn't trade for Giannis if it's possible. I'm just saying we should think long and hard about what we'd have to give up before doing it, and avoid falling into the trap of thinking that 1) we'd automatically be a contender with Giannis, and 2) we're not already a contender now.
I think one thing has also changed in the last 5 maybe even 10 years. The avg starter/player is closer to a superstar then before, lessening the superstars impact on winning. Look at how OKC has a bunch of dudes that are solid guys with some great and one true superstar.

I'm not sure how much a superstar or even duo can carry a team in todays game. You need those other dudes for sure, now more then ever. So yeah, I think thats why I am weary of a Giannis deal. Obviously a stud player, but like you say, it's questionable if he and Ant with a bunch of jags can be the best team. I think you still need that 3-7 even 8th player to be solid.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 5:19 pm
by Coolbreeze44
The biggest variable in a Giannis trade is how many games per year you can count on him to play. He's almost always on the injury report, and these things tend to get worse over time. Our guys play and I don't think you can minimize the value of that. That being said, has there ever been a better potential duo than Ant and Giannis? I think the closest would be Magic and Kareem. Dwayne and Lebron weren't as good. Bird and McHale weren't as good. Jokic and Murray aren't as good. Hakeem and Drexler weren't as good. Doc and Moses weren't as good. You could make a case for Steph and KD, and Lebron and Irving. And both of those duos won championships.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 5:37 pm
by Jester1534
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 5:19 pm The biggest variable in a Giannis trade is how many games per year you can count on him to play. He's almost always on the injury report, and these things tend to get worse over time. Our guys play and I don't think you can minimize the value of that. That being said, has there ever been a better potential duo than Ant and Giannis? I think the closest would be Magic and Kareem. Dwayne and Lebron weren't as good. Bird and McHale weren't as good. Jokic and Murray aren't as good. Hakeem and Drexler weren't as good. Doc and Moses weren't as good. You could make a case for Steph and KD, and Lebron and Irving. And both of those duos won championships.
Luka Donic games played last 5 years

2023-24: 70 games
2022-23: 66 games
2021-22: 65 games
2020-21: 66 games
2019-20: 61 games

Giannis last 5 years
023-24: 73 games
2022-23: 63 games
2021-22: 67 games
2020-21: 61 games
2019-20: 63 games

I really think we’re overthinking the injury concerns here. If he can go he plays.

Honestly it remind of heat getting shaq for his last run with wade. Shaq only had 2-3 year good years left in him. Which i think the Greek Freak has more than that.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 6:41 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 5:19 pm The biggest variable in a Giannis trade is how many games per year you can count on him to play. He's almost always on the injury report, and these things tend to get worse over time. Our guys play and I don't think you can minimize the value of that. That being said, has there ever been a better potential duo than Ant and Giannis? I think the closest would be Magic and Kareem. Dwayne and Lebron weren't as good. Bird and McHale weren't as good. Jokic and Murray aren't as good. Hakeem and Drexler weren't as good. Doc and Moses weren't as good. You could make a case for Steph and KD, and Lebron and Irving. And both of those duos won championships.
The duo could be all-time great. Both guys are insanely good... and appear to be committed to being great and winning.

But a minor quibble... D. Wade was DEFINITELY better than Kyrie Irving at the beginning of the Heat's run together. Kyrie made only one All NBA team with James (3rd team). Wade was in the top 10 for MVP each of the first three seasons with James.

Others:

Shaq + Kobe Bryant
Jordan + Pippen
Russell + Cousy


[Note: The rub is that two guys might not be enough. Who's the James Worthy? Chris Bosh? Klay Thompson? Sam Jones?]

Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 7:13 pm
by Coolbreeze44
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 6:41 pm
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 5:19 pm The biggest variable in a Giannis trade is how many games per year you can count on him to play. He's almost always on the injury report, and these things tend to get worse over time. Our guys play and I don't think you can minimize the value of that. That being said, has there ever been a better potential duo than Ant and Giannis? I think the closest would be Magic and Kareem. Dwayne and Lebron weren't as good. Bird and McHale weren't as good. Jokic and Murray aren't as good. Hakeem and Drexler weren't as good. Doc and Moses weren't as good. You could make a case for Steph and KD, and Lebron and Irving. And both of those duos won championships.
The duo could be all-time great. Both guys are insanely good... and appear to be committed to being great and winning.

But a minor quibble... D. Wade was DEFINITELY better than Kyrie Irving at the beginning of the Heat's run together. Kyrie made only one All NBA team with James (3rd team). Wade was in the top 10 for MVP each of the first three seasons with James.

Others:

Shaq + Kobe Bryant
Jordan + Pippen
Russell + Cousy


[Note: The rub is that two guys might not be enough. Who's the James Worthy? Chris Bosh? Klay Thompson? Sam Jones?]
Can't believe I forgot Shaq and Kobe.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 8:47 pm
by thedoper
I cant even believe there is legit smoke that we are in the Freak sweepstakes. I cant think of a better compliment to Ant in terms of personality and competitive fire. I would much rather go out with the swing at Giannis then the capped out team we have now. Its a real shot.