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jester1534 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:I just want to see it. Like Kat is 4-31 in his last 35 games. He is 2-3 with Dlo and he is 2-28 without dlo. I just want to see it.

In the end Cool with probably be right but I want to see it. Dlo was apart of a Nets team that was in the 75th percentile on D when he was on the court. So it's possible to develop an about average defense with Dlo in it.

I am worried though because Doogie is hinting Dlo is not happy with the organization. Doogie is hinting at he did not like Saunders. Dlo got surgery by the Nets doctors (they did his last surgery) and now instead of doing rehab in Minnesota around the organization he is doing it in Miami.

I still don't blame them for doing the Dlo trade. I want to see it on the court. I'm also prepared for the Wolves 80th rebuild in the last 20 years

How can be unhappy? Hes been with the orgnzation for like 8 months. Screw Nba Players they're entiled pieces of crap. Maybe he learned how to lose rehabbing in Miami.

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Jester1534 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:I just want to see it. Like Kat is 4-31 in his last 35 games. He is 2-3 with Dlo and he is 2-28 without dlo. I just want to see it.

In the end Cool with probably be right but I want to see it. Dlo was apart of a Nets team that was in the 75th percentile on D when he was on the court. So it's possible to develop an about average defense with Dlo in it.

I am worried though because Doogie is hinting Dlo is not happy with the organization. Doogie is hinting at he did not like Saunders. Dlo got surgery by the Nets doctors (they did his last surgery) and now instead of doing rehab in Minnesota around the organization he is doing it in Miami.

I still don't blame them for doing the Dlo trade. I want to see it on the court. I'm also prepared for the Wolves 80th rebuild in the last 20 years

How can be unhappy? Hes been with the orgnzation for like 8 months. Screw Nba Players they're entiled pieces of crap. Maybe he learned how to lose rehabbing in Miami.

Why wouldn't he be unhappy?

Worst team in league. Didn't like the coach. Forced to share backcourt with a ball-dominant fan favorite. Constantly ripped for being the centerpiece in a bad trade. Unconventional midseason coaching change. And now an injury.

I'm not absolving Russell of anything... only that the Wolves are a trainwreck right now and there are many reasons for unhappiness.

Would you want anyone to be happy with the Wolves right now? If they were happy wouldn't narrative be they didn't care about winning and laughing on the sidelines or whatever? Wolfson's problem is he is too willing to share stuff he hears. I'm sure he does hold back stuff but whatever.

Let's look at Russell's career. Drafted by the Lakers and that time was kind of a shit show but they were still the Lakers and he played during Kobe's farewell tour. Eventually he gets dealt to the Nets. They end up being a pretty good organization that built a up a team with not many assets to a contender. He signed with GS a championship team with HOF players that he basically didn't play with. Then he gets traded to the Wolves who wanted him and he probably was excited about the opportunity and being with Towns etc and having a spot he could be for a while. the Wolves are currently easily the worst franchise he has ever played for and they are the team with the worst record in the NBA. I'm so shocked he might not be thrilled with his situation. *sarcasm*

crazysauce wrote:It's crazy to me how much people think it should cost to trade for the right to overpay John Collins. Like mentioned before, he has been on the block for a while with no takers. If we are dealing edwards or any first thats not well protected through the lottery we are nuts.

Sadly I feel we are bidding against ourselves like usual. Nobody is willing to give much when Atlanta is clearly not going to resign him. A max Collins deal will age terribly. Also this is a guards league. This has disaster written all over it.

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:For those that still can't see the forest through the trees. No, DLO and KAT playing together are not going to significantly impact our win total. Do we really need to see it to know that?

Based on what?

Three things:
1) I've seen DLO play
2) We're not much better if at all with him on the court vs off
3) I have a brain

That's a relatively bold thing to say without more evidence than what you provided. Those two have played 115 minutes together over this season and last. There's just not enough basketball that's been played to come to your conclusion and none that would suggest the Wolves aren't legitimately better when they are together.

That's what I do on this forum, say bold things. Some things are obvious to me that may not jive with everybody else's opinions. Personally I don't need to see the two play together more to know it's not going to work. If I'm ultimately wrong I will admit it.

We all opined about the trade before we ever saw them on the court together.

I don't think Cool dug it at the time. So there's no reason he'd have to change his opinion to a "let's wait and see" take over what's transpired in the past year.

We make all sorts of opinions here from prized draft prospects to potential trades to second-guessing coaching rotations. That's what we do.

Fair. I guess I'd just like to get more than "I have a brain" as part of his reasoning. I've had enough thorough basketball debates with Cool to know that he can do better than that.

Anyways...

WolvesFan21 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:For those that still can't see the forest through the trees. No, DLO and KAT playing together are not going to significantly impact our win total. Do we really need to see it to know that?

Based on what?

Three things:
1) I've seen DLO play
2) We're not much better if at all with him on the court vs off
3) I have a brain

That's a relatively bold thing to say without more evidence than what you provided. Those two have played 115 minutes together over this season and last. There's just not enough basketball that's been played to come to your conclusion and none that would suggest the Wolves aren't legitimately better when they are together.

That's what I do on this forum, say bold things. Some things are obvious to me that may not jive with everybody else's opinions. Personally I don't need to see the two play together more to know it's not going to work. If I'm ultimately wrong I will admit it.

Define "work out." The roster as it currently stands is not good enough even with those two healthy to make the playoffs in my opinion. We had several players flat out fall on their face this season so far. Culver, JO and Rubio.

I honestly did not see all three of those guys going backwards and being terrible for the most part.

Ant is second to last in the league in win shares, basically the more he plays the greater chance the Wolves have to lose. He has shown flashes of brilliance, but those flashes are too rare and I was hoping he would be at least a little better overall at this point on both sides of the ball.

DLO himself when healthy has been subpar even based on his own career.

So I mean with all those problems I think it explains quite easily why the Wolves have the worst record. Not even mentioning that both KAT and DLO have missed significant time. But this is about the overall team, not just those two.

The players besides those two have been very disappointing. Maybe we've had a few highlights with Beasley mostly playing solid and seeing nice things from McDaniels for where he was picked. But you can't have a roster full of underachievers despite their age.

kekgeek1 wrote:I just want to see it. Like Kat is 4-31 in his last 35 games. He is 2-3 with Dlo and he is 2-28 without dlo. I just want to see it.

In the end Cool with probably be right but I want to see it. Dlo was apart of a Nets team that was in the 75th percentile on D when he was on the court. So it's possible to develop an about average defense with Dlo in it.

I am worried though because Doogie is hinting Dlo is not happy with the organization. Doogie is hinting at he did not like Saunders. Dlo got surgery by the Nets doctors (they did his last surgery) and now instead of doing rehab in Minnesota around the organization he is doing it in Miami.

I still don't blame them for doing the Dlo trade. I want to see it on the court. I'm also prepared for the Wolves 80th rebuild in the last 20 years

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

FNG wrote:While I tend to think Cool is right that this particular Rosas experiment is doomed to fail, it's true that opinions for or against its ultimate success are based on conjecture, not real life, because the frailty (or bad luck? who knows) of our two max players hasn't allowed us to truly evaluate how they will play together. But of course I'm a long-suffering Wolves fan and am clinging to the 5% chance that it might work out...I guess that's what being a Wolves fan is all about.

Agreed

It's also not JUST about those 2 guys. There has been other problems as well. Honestly even though I want to watch some of the players on the team and even though my expectations are low...I haven't been able to bring myself to do so.

I encourage you to give them another chance after the break, Monster...not because they are going to magically start winning (although hope springs eternal), but more because I think you will find them entertaining. They lost me (and most of the rest of the clinger-ons here) in that horrible Charlotte loss, but I'm actually a little excited about the second half of the season. Here's what has my attention:

1) the possibility of a deal (since this is the purpose of this thread) that will bring in a PF like Collins or Nance and rebalance this roster by reducing the wing glut.
2) curiosity about how different we might look after Finch has had a chance to practice for 10 days, with an emphasis on new rotations and accountability/development of Ant
3) The relentless energy of Vando, and the surprising maturity/polish of McDaniels' game
4) The return of Rubio over the past 10 games to his 2020 performance after a dreadful start to the season.
5) KAT's ceiling this season with continued recovery from wrist/recovery and Finch insistence that our offense run through KAT.
6) The remarkable efficiency of Naz in the pick and roll...among the best in the league.

Yeah, we're 7-29. But my list above is a lot to keep me interested.

At least until the next round of blowouts...[/

Thanks for giving me reasons to watch. I share some of these.

I also have noted Rubio's numbers have been plenty solid recently. His numbers as a starter are much better than as a reserve. It will be interesting to see if he is on the roster after the trade deadline. My guess is he will end up being moved in the offseason but if the Wolves do make a significant deal maybe Rubio will be part of it. I'm not holding my breath on expecting any worthwhile moves. Rosas isn't afraid to pull the trigger though.

To be honest I have no idea where this group is going. I haven't totally given up but I don't really have the enthusiasm to care much. I may have finally been broken.

Finch has been put in a tough spot. I will likely try watching after the break.

Monster, you are correct that Rubio's numbers have been much better of late. His averages the past 10 games are 12.7/6.8/2.4 with fewer than 2 TOs per game, and he has shot 45% (46% on threes). His return to normal (or better than normal) may be because he is over the impact Covid had on him, or it may be he is more effective as a starter than coming off the bench...I suspect it is a little of both, but more the latter. It's going to be interesting to see how Finch employs him when (or if) DLO returns. He told Robson after he was hired that he has always wanted to coach Ricky, and that Ricky is perfect for this team. Maybe he means he is perfect for this team as a backup PG, but I don't think so. Finch has undoubtedly learned a lot about Ricky's ability to run his offense in the past week, and is likely forming an opinion as to whether Ricky will continue starting at PG with DLO replacing Beas in the starting lineup at SG, or whether he will prefer DLO as his starting PG. If it's the latter, I would hope that Rosas is looking for ways to move Ricky before the deadline, because he isn't worth his contract playing the way he did coming off the bench. I'm sure a lot of GMs have noticed what Ricky has done recently, including his 20/10 game against Charlotte, and would love to have a veteran PG like him for the stretch run and playoffs. I think a contender would easily give up a 1st rounder for him, and even though that would likely be a late 1st rounder, it's better than nothing.

You're right...Finch is going to have some tough decisions to make.

jester1534 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Jester1534 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:I just want to see it. Like Kat is 4-31 in his last 35 games. He is 2-3 with Dlo and he is 2-28 without dlo. I just want to see it.

In the end Cool with probably be right but I want to see it. Dlo was apart of a Nets team that was in the 75th percentile on D when he was on the court. So it's possible to develop an about average defense with Dlo in it.

I am worried though because Doogie is hinting Dlo is not happy with the organization. Doogie is hinting at he did not like Saunders. Dlo got surgery by the Nets doctors (they did his last surgery) and now instead of doing rehab in Minnesota around the organization he is doing it in Miami.

I still don't blame them for doing the Dlo trade. I want to see it on the court. I'm also prepared for the Wolves 80th rebuild in the last 20 years

How can be unhappy? Hes been with the orgnzation for like 8 months. Screw Nba Players they're entiled pieces of crap. Maybe he learned how to lose rehabbing in Miami.

Why wouldn't he be unhappy?

Worst team in league. Didn't like the coach. Forced to share backcourt with a ball-dominant fan favorite. Constantly ripped for being the centerpiece in a bad trade. Unconventional midseason coaching change. And now an injury.

I'm not absolving Russell of anything... only that the Wolves are a trainwreck right now and there are many reasons for unhappiness.

Would you want anyone to be happy with the Wolves right now? If they were happy wouldn't narrative be they didn't care about winning and laughing on the sidelines or whatever? Wolfson's problem is he is too willing to share stuff he hears. I'm sure he does hold back stuff but whatever.

Let's look at Russell's career. Drafted by the Lakers and that time was kind of a shit show but they were still the Lakers and he played during Kobe's farewell tour. Eventually he gets dealt to the Nets. They end up being a pretty good organization that built a up a team with not many assets to a contender. He signed with GS a championship team with HOF players that he basically didn't play with. Then he gets traded to the Wolves who wanted him and he probably was excited about the opportunity and being with Towns etc and having a spot he could be for a while. the Wolves are currently easily the worst franchise he has ever played for and they are the team with the worst record in the NBA. I'm so shocked he might not be thrilled with his situation. *sarcasm*

Theres a diffence of being unhappy with play of the team and how the team is doing. Compared to being disgruntled with the Orgnzation behind the scenes. Your right smiling Wes Johnson pissed me off when they were winning 16 games a year. Having the Nets doctors do his surgery is stupid to me. As we have the best doctors in the world in Minnesota at Mayo Clinc. How does staying in Miami help the on the court stuff in Minnesota?

Im sorry but this was entiled immature crap we heard about him when he got traded by the Lakers. Eventually grow up be a man and take some criticism.