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Lipoli390
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crazy-canuck wrote:Less than 1 week left before Rosas makes a pitch for dlo.

How desperate are we to get a shooter at the pg spot?


How desperate are we for a playmaking PG who gets KAT more than 6 touches in the second half of a close game? Is Russell a better playmaker than Teague? How much better does this team get with three shooters - KAT, Wiggins and Russell - playing together? The best passer in that group of 3 might be KAT. We've been terrible defensively lately. Does Russell make us better defensively? We'd likely have to trade Covington to get Russell, which of course would make us worse defensively and hurt our rebounding. How well is Golden State doing with Russell as their starting PG? With one winning NBA season in his career, does Russell bring a winning attitude? Has he truly grown out of his early NBA immaturity? What assets in addition to Covington would we have to give up to get him? Culver? Okogie? Next June's 1st round draft pick? Is Russell really worth those assets plus nearly $30 million per year over the next 3.5 years? If we're simply swapping Wiggins for Russell, then count me in. Otherwise...

Most of us were predicting a 25-35 win season. The surprisingly successful early start to the season has to be put in perspective. It was not indicative of where this team is at. When he took over last summer, Rosas made the strategic decision to take the long view. He decided to look beyond this season and build around KAT as he turned 24 years old and entered the front end of a 5-year deal this Fall. Rosas needs to be patient and stay the course. The only deals I'd make this season are deals that bring in future picks and/or young talent on rookie scale or inexpensive free agent contracts. Teague should be moved and the Wolves would be open to deals for Covington and Gorgui, although I think next June's draft would be the ideal time to move Covington and/or Gorgui. Meanwhile, let's take the whole season to develop and evaluate the likes of Okogie, Culver, Layman, Nowell, Martin and Reid.
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lipoli390 wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:Less than 1 week left before Rosas makes a pitch for dlo.

How desperate are we to get a shooter at the pg spot?


How desperate are we for a playmaking PG who gets KAT more than 6 touches in the second half of a close game? Is Russell a better playmaker than Teague? How much better does this team get with three shooters - KAT, Wiggins and Russell - playing together? The best passer in that group of 3 might be KAT. We've been terrible defensively lately. Does Russell make us better defensively? We'd likely have to trade Covington to get Russell, which of course would make us worse defensively and hurt our rebounding. How well is Golden State doing with Russell as their starting PG? With one winning NBA season in his career, does Russell bring a winning attitude? Has he truly grown out of his early NBA immaturity? What assets in addition to Covington would we have to give up to get him? Culver? Okogie? Next June's 1st round draft pick? Is Russell really worth those assets plus nearly $30 million per year over the next 3.5 years? If we're simply swapping Wiggins for Russell, then count me in. Otherwise...

Most of us were predicting a 25-35 win season. The surprisingly successful early start to the season has to be put in perspective. It was not indicative of where this team is at. When he took over last summer, Rosas made the strategic decision to take the long view. He decided to look beyond this season and build around KAT as he turned 24 years old and entered the front end of a 5-year deal this Fall. Rosas needs to be patient and stay the course. The only deals I'd make this season are deals that bring in future picks and/or young talent on rookie scale or inexpensive free agent contracts. Teague should be moved and the Wolves would be open to deals for Covington and Gorgui, although I think next June's draft would be the ideal time to move Covington and/or Gorgui. Meanwhile, let's take the whole season to develop and evaluate the likes of Okogie, Culver, Layman, Nowell, Martin and Reid.


KAT's on his second contract now. There is no more time for rookies and future draft picks. By the time they can actually help KAT out he'll already be gone. It's time to cash in our picks and young assets to help KAT and Wiggins. Adding Russell gives us 3 20pt scorers and then we can build around that core. We can't just keep waiting and waiting to make moves. You have to get the core pieces set and stone and then it still takes time to put more pieces around them as role players because you have a new set of holes to fix with the new core. We aren't the Clippers ready made for 2 stars with role players. We have 2 stars and 1 role player so if we can cash in to get a 3rd star who fits a major need we should be doing it no brainer.

Also Russell is playing with a literal G-League team in GS so nothing he is doing should be taken that seriously. They've got 73 million dollars sitting on the bench not playing. You take the top 2 players off any team and they won't be good.
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Russell is a net negative player, inefficient scorer and capspace killer...and he doesn't want to play in Minnesota. Time for some of you to stop drinking Cam's Kool Aid. I really don't want his immaturity around KAT and the locker room.
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Been watching russell alot more recently. Hes a net negative, but he isn't lavine level bad though (which i thought he was before).

Personally, Id rather pay for bogdanovic because he can handle, pass, shoot and isn't the defensive turnstyle. Ideally, id prefer a brogdan type, but that isn't happening either unless rosas sees a diamond in the rough stashed on another teams roster.

Kat is obviously getting frustrated. Im not sure this team has the patience to wait on next years pick to pan out.

5 out

Bogdanovic/wiggs
Culver/nowell
Wiggs/layman
Cov/kbd
Kat/reid

Isnt horrible.
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Houston Rockets interested in RoCo.

Would you trade him for PJ Tucker, Thabo Sefolosha and their 2020 & 2022 1st round picks?

Potentially both picks will be in late 20's, but it could all blow up in Houston and that 2020 pick could have some value.

I'm on the fence.
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It's D'Angelo Russell time.
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KiwiMatt wrote:Houston Rockets interested in RoCo.

Would you trade him for PJ Tucker, Thabo Sefolosha and their 2020 & 2022 1st round picks?

Potentially both picks will be in late 20's, but it could all blow up in Houston and that 2020 pick could have some value.

I'm on the fence.


Getting worse for two low first round picks is not a direction this team should be going in IMO. We need to be getting better with every move we make, not worse for future draft capital.
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KiwiMatt wrote:Houston Rockets interested in RoCo.

Would you trade him for PJ Tucker, Thabo Sefolosha and their 2020 & 2022 1st round picks?

Potentially both picks will be in late 20's, but it could all blow up in Houston and that 2020 pick could have some value.

I'm on the fence.


I'd pass, I need more/better picks. Really, how many late first rounder do anything? Pick any year and see how many good players come from those picks. Probably less than 10%. You might get one guy a year if that from that last 10 picks in the first that pans out.
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khans2k5 wrote:
KiwiMatt wrote:Houston Rockets interested in RoCo.

Would you trade him for PJ Tucker, Thabo Sefolosha and their 2020 & 2022 1st round picks?

Potentially both picks will be in late 20's, but it could all blow up in Houston and that 2020 pick could have some value.

I'm on the fence.


Getting worse for two low first round picks is not a direction this team should be going in IMO. We need to be getting better with every move we make, not worse for future draft capital.



Yep.

I heard Morey on a podcast recently and he gave the paltry percentages for picks panning out... especially non-top picks. Let's just say he's not into building a championship team that way. And considering that Rosas comes from that same line of thinking for nearly two decades...

... I doubt that's the direction the team would take.
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Camden0916 wrote:It's D'Angelo Russell time.


And how much are you willing to give up?
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