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AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:36 pm

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 12:20 pm -and finally, and I don't have any data on this: Rudy just seems more engaged on defense when he's invited to be more than just a screener on offense. And an engaged Rudy on defense is always a good thing.

I'm sorry but this is such bs on Rudy's part. Do your effing job and stop pouting, or don't wait until your 33 effing years old to learn post moves.

Fact is Ant has been passing to Rudy significantly more this year both on lobs and short rolls from the top of the key, but Rudy can't do anything that far from the basket. If that screener was Jaden they would be lethal cause teams wouldn't be able to trap Ant there without getting burned by Jaden... But it's Rudy so teams can trap Ant and the "correct" basketball play is to pass to Rudy and he's completely ineffective

I love stats but the can’t do anything with the ball off the roll is just factually incorrect this year.

According to NBA.com 78 players have had 10+ screen and roll possessions where they get a touch. Rudy ranks

34th in Points per Possession (slightly above average)
28th in eFG%
28th in turnover rate % (meaning he’s above average in not turning the ball over)
9th on shooting foul rate (getting the wolves to the bonus sooner).
23rd in score frequency


Even though it’s not visually pretty when he gets a touch on the role but Rudy has been slightly above average in these situations this year.

kekgeek wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 2:45 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:36 pm

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 12:20 pm -and finally, and I don't have any data on this: Rudy just seems more engaged on defense when he's invited to be more than just a screener on offense. And an engaged Rudy on defense is always a good thing.

I'm sorry but this is such bs on Rudy's part. Do your effing job and stop pouting, or don't wait until your 33 effing years old to learn post moves.

Fact is Ant has been passing to Rudy significantly more this year both on lobs and short rolls from the top of the key, but Rudy can't do anything that far from the basket. If that screener was Jaden they would be lethal cause teams wouldn't be able to trap Ant there without getting burned by Jaden... But it's Rudy so teams can trap Ant and the "correct" basketball play is to pass to Rudy and he's completely ineffective

I love stats but the can’t do anything with the ball off the roll is just factually incorrect this year.

According to NBA.com 78 players have had 10+ screen and roll possessions where they get a touch. Rudy ranks

34th in Points per Possession (slightly above average)
28th in eFG%
28th in turnover rate % (meaning he’s above average in not turning the ball over)
9th on shooting foul rate (getting the wolves to the bonus sooner).
23rd in score frequency


Even though it’s not visually pretty when he gets a touch on the role but Rudy has been slightly above average in these situations this year.

I'm not sure this makes the point you're hoping it does.
1. This suggest that he is getting plenty of opportunities on offense
2. He is average at best when he does, which doesn't exactly belie the idea that he should get more opportunities than he is currently getting. Perhaps he is getting as many as he deserves because the return on them is average.

I've said many times that I don't have a probably with Rudy and I think he's a net positive for the team, but I can't stand the idea that he pouts and under preforms when he doesn't get as many shots up as he seems to think he should

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 3:01 pm

kekgeek wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 2:45 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:36 pm

I'm sorry but this is such bs on Rudy's part. Do your effing job and stop pouting, or don't wait until your 33 effing years old to learn post moves.

Fact is Ant has been passing to Rudy significantly more this year both on lobs and short rolls from the top of the key, but Rudy can't do anything that far from the basket. If that screener was Jaden they would be lethal cause teams wouldn't be able to trap Ant there without getting burned by Jaden... But it's Rudy so teams can trap Ant and the "correct" basketball play is to pass to Rudy and he's completely ineffective

I love stats but the can’t do anything with the ball off the roll is just factually incorrect this year.

According to NBA.com 78 players have had 10+ screen and roll possessions where they get a touch. Rudy ranks

34th in Points per Possession (slightly above average)
28th in eFG%
28th in turnover rate % (meaning he’s above average in not turning the ball over)
9th on shooting foul rate (getting the wolves to the bonus sooner).
23rd in score frequency


Even though it’s not visually pretty when he gets a touch on the role but Rudy has been slightly above average in these situations this year.

I'm not sure this makes the point you're hoping it does.
1. This suggest that he is getting plenty of opportunities on offense
2. He is average at best when he does, which doesn't exactly belie the idea that he should get more opportunities than he is currently getting. Perhaps he is getting as many as he deserves because the return on them is average.

I've said many times that I don't have a probably with Rudy and I think he's a net positive for the team, but I can't stand the idea that he pouts and under preforms when he doesn't get as many shots up as he seems to think he should

There is 26 Timberwolves players (some listed twice) that qualify in running the following play types 10 or more possessions this year (iso, pick and roll handler, pick and roll screener, spot up, post up, hand off and off screen).


A Rudy touch on the PnR ranks 8th in the wolves most effective play type. Also some of the PPP numbers get a little screwed because shooting a 3 is going to get more points than a pick and roll touch. The 7 play types better than Rudy PnR touch this year are.

Naz, Jaden, Conley, Donte spot up
Randle iso
Jaden pick and roll handler
Ant hand off

I’m not saying we should just give Rudy a ton of touches but I just strongly disagree with the statement with he is ineffective and can’t do anything with the ball because the numbers say otherwise.

Saw this posted: “Players are currently shooting 21.1% (!) less at the rim than expected when their attempts are defended by Rudy Gobert. This is easily the best in the NBA. Players only shooting 39.8% within 6 feet of the rim against Rudy.”

kekgeek wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 4:04 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 3:01 pm

kekgeek wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 2:45 pm

I love stats but the can’t do anything with the ball off the roll is just factually incorrect this year.

According to NBA.com 78 players have had 10+ screen and roll possessions where they get a touch. Rudy ranks

34th in Points per Possession (slightly above average)
28th in eFG%
28th in turnover rate % (meaning he’s above average in not turning the ball over)
9th on shooting foul rate (getting the wolves to the bonus sooner).
23rd in score frequency


Even though it’s not visually pretty when he gets a touch on the role but Rudy has been slightly above average in these situations this year.

I'm not sure this makes the point you're hoping it does.
1. This suggest that he is getting plenty of opportunities on offense
2. He is average at best when he does, which doesn't exactly belie the idea that he should get more opportunities than he is currently getting. Perhaps he is getting as many as he deserves because the return on them is average.

I've said many times that I don't have a probably with Rudy and I think he's a net positive for the team, but I can't stand the idea that he pouts and under preforms when he doesn't get as many shots up as he seems to think he should

There is 26 Timberwolves players (some listed twice) that qualify in running the following play types 10 or more possessions this year (iso, pick and roll handler, pick and roll screener, spot up, post up, hand off and off screen).


A Rudy touch on the PnR ranks 8th in the wolves most effective play type. Also some of the PPP numbers get a little screwed because shooting a 3 is going to get more points than a pick and roll touch. The 7 play types better than Rudy PnR touch this year are.

Naz, Jaden, Conley, Donte spot up
Randle iso
Jaden pick and roll handler
Ant hand off

I’m not saying we should just give Rudy a ton of touches but I just strongly disagree with the statement with he is ineffective and can’t do anything with the ball because the numbers say otherwise.

This discussion has grown a bit weeded.
First off I appreciate that statistical analysis, it certainly moved my perspective some. But let's not pretend that this suggest that Rudy is effective with the ball in his hands.

My original point here among all of this is, is that it is complete BS for Rudy to start pouting and not play his best defense because he's not getting enough touches. Cause by my observation he is getting about as much as he rightfully deserves, because he can really only be effective in very very specific ways and those ways are almost exclusively right next to the basket.
All of that said, it's worth saying that the wolves offense is elite this year, so which ever ways they are involving the big guy should be enough for him to stop saulking- which was all I was ever suggesting

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:13 pm

Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 12:57 pm

rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 11:11 am

76% if he catches it.

If he catches it, doesn't get it poked away, and can gather and jump without losing it, and committing an offensive or flagrant foul. That eviscerates that percentage.

You exaggerate everything it's funny. You'd rather watch SAB jack a long two at 40%.

I don't know who SAB is.

Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:36 pm

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:13 pm

Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 12:57 pm

If he catches it, doesn't get it poked away, and can gather and jump without losing it, and committing an offensive or flagrant foul. That eviscerates that percentage.

You exaggerate everything it's funny. You'd rather watch SAB jack a long two at 40%.

I don't know who SAB is.

Nobody does. Might be his imaginary friend

Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:36 pm

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:13 pm

Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 12:57 pm

If he catches it, doesn't get it poked away, and can gather and jump without losing it, and committing an offensive or flagrant foul. That eviscerates that percentage.

You exaggerate everything it's funny. You'd rather watch SAB jack a long two at 40%.

I don't know who SAB is.

Saint Anthony Bennett? He was about 40% wasn't he?

Wf...solve the mystery for us!

Maybe it's the bankrupt German car maker?

FNG wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 6:02 pm

Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:36 pm

Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:13 pm

You exaggerate everything it's funny. You'd rather watch SAB jack a long two at 40%.

I don't know who SAB is.

Saint Anthony Bennett? He was about 40% wasn't he?

Wf...solve the mystery for us!

Soft Ass Bitch. Cool as far as I remember was the only one defending him/his play till the end. We were all sick that he never got better since his rookie year and was paid max money on the promise of getting better and playing hard.