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WildWolf2813
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kekgeek1 wrote:
TheFuture wrote:A real dart throw.

Twolves receive: OG Anunoby, Gary Trent JR, Spencer Dinwiddie, Patrick Beverley, Toronto 25 first round, Mavericks 27 first round.

Toronto receives: KAT, Bertans, Nowell

Mavericks receive: D'Lo, Boucher, Lakers 2nd, Wolves 2nd.

Lakers receive: Javale McGee, Bryn Forbes

Mavericks most importantly get off the Bertans contract. Add a better 2nd playmaker in DLo and a longer term big in boucher. Can decide to resign DLo or chase someone else for Luka. Potential for a lot of expiring money.

Lakers get a vet C on a cheap deal to keep Davis at PF and a catch and shoot player. Can let Westbrook expire and open cap.

Raptors pair Pascal with Towns. Keeping Barnes as their SF and FVV at PG. That is a good team.

Minnesota changes it up.

Dinwiddie/ Beverley / JMaC
ANT / Trent JR / Rivers
Jaden / Prince
OG / Anderson / Knight
Gobert / Reid / Garza

Ryan / Moore / Minott

Add 2 future draft picks.

I like that team better moving forward. Pushes the PG decision back a year, garners a better 6th man, brings grit. ANT, Jaden, OG, and Gobert would be a menace defensively. The bench provides a ton of options offensively and defensively.


Kat can't be traded until the summer. Trade dead


We also can't reacquire Beverley until this summer unless he's bought out.


Thing to consider with the salary slot argument: without assets to attach to D'Lo, what good is that slot? If we don't make the Gobert trade, keeping that salary slot is important. Without it, we can't expect anything good in return for that slot. So yes, losing that slot is a lost Avenue but what is that Avenue leading to without assets to attach to it? It's pretty clear that D'Lo's role moving forward is not as a starter on a good team.
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TheFuture wrote:A real dart throw.

Twolves receive: OG Anunoby, Gary Trent JR, Spencer Dinwiddie, Patrick Beverley, Toronto 25 first round, Mavericks 27 first round.

Toronto receives: KAT, Bertans, Nowell

Mavericks receive: D'Lo, Boucher, Wolves 2nd.

Lakers receive: Javale McGee, Bryn Forbes

Mavericks most importantly get off the Bertans contract. Add a better 2nd playmaker in DLo and a longer term big in boucher. Can decide to resign DLo or chase someone else for Luka. Potential for a lot of expiring money.

Lakers get a vet C on a cheap deal to keep Davis at PF and a catch and shoot player. Can let Westbrook expire and open cap.

Raptors pair Pascal with Towns. Keeping Barnes as their SF and FVV at PG. That is a good team.

Minnesota changes it up.

Dinwiddie/ Beverley / JMaC
ANT / Trent JR / Rivers
Jaden / Prince
OG / Anderson / Knight
Gobert / Reid / Garza

Ryan / Moore / Minott

Add 2 future draft picks.

I like that team better moving forward. Pushes the PG decision back a year, garners a better 6th man, brings grit. ANT, Jaden, OG, and Gobert would be a menace defensively. The bench provides a ton of options offensively and defensively.


The depth would be great. But I'll pass on the rumors of Dinnwiddies leadership, we don't need that around Ant. Gary Trent would be great as a home town guy. Will he ever be a better Beasley? Or are you paying him top dollar for that or less? OG is the real prize. But for KAT? Just to get off Dlo's expiring contract? Love the creativity! Definitely don't have any realistic trade scenarios to add my self, so sorry to be a downer!
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Re: DLO Trades

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WildWolf2813 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
TheFuture wrote:A real dart throw.

Twolves receive: OG Anunoby, Gary Trent JR, Spencer Dinwiddie, Patrick Beverley, Toronto 25 first round, Mavericks 27 first round.

Toronto receives: KAT, Bertans, Nowell

Mavericks receive: D'Lo, Boucher, Lakers 2nd, Wolves 2nd.

Lakers receive: Javale McGee, Bryn Forbes

Mavericks most importantly get off the Bertans contract. Add a better 2nd playmaker in DLo and a longer term big in boucher. Can decide to resign DLo or chase someone else for Luka. Potential for a lot of expiring money.

Lakers get a vet C on a cheap deal to keep Davis at PF and a catch and shoot player. Can let Westbrook expire and open cap.

Raptors pair Pascal with Towns. Keeping Barnes as their SF and FVV at PG. That is a good team.

Minnesota changes it up.

Dinwiddie/ Beverley / JMaC
ANT / Trent JR / Rivers
Jaden / Prince
OG / Anderson / Knight
Gobert / Reid / Garza

Ryan / Moore / Minott

Add 2 future draft picks.

I like that team better moving forward. Pushes the PG decision back a year, garners a better 6th man, brings grit. ANT, Jaden, OG, and Gobert would be a menace defensively. The bench provides a ton of options offensively and defensively.


Kat can't be traded until the summer. Trade dead


We also can't reacquire Beverley until this summer unless he's bought out.


Thing to consider with the salary slot argument: without assets to attach to D'Lo, what good is that slot? If we don't make the Gobert trade, keeping that salary slot is important. Without it, we can't expect anything good in return for that slot. So yes, losing that slot is a lost Avenue but what is that Avenue leading to without assets to attach to it? It's pretty clear that D'Lo's role moving forward is not as a starter on a good team.


Yes they can. He was traded to another team so he is eligible to be traded back to the wolves. I don't want to trade him because of the salary matching players but he can be traded back.
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kekgeek1 wrote:
WildWolf2813 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
TheFuture wrote:A real dart throw.

Twolves receive: OG Anunoby, Gary Trent JR, Spencer Dinwiddie, Patrick Beverley, Toronto 25 first round, Mavericks 27 first round.

Toronto receives: KAT, Bertans, Nowell

Mavericks receive: D'Lo, Boucher, Lakers 2nd, Wolves 2nd.

Lakers receive: Javale McGee, Bryn Forbes

Mavericks most importantly get off the Bertans contract. Add a better 2nd playmaker in DLo and a longer term big in boucher. Can decide to resign DLo or chase someone else for Luka. Potential for a lot of expiring money.

Lakers get a vet C on a cheap deal to keep Davis at PF and a catch and shoot player. Can let Westbrook expire and open cap.

Raptors pair Pascal with Towns. Keeping Barnes as their SF and FVV at PG. That is a good team.

Minnesota changes it up.

Dinwiddie/ Beverley / JMaC
ANT / Trent JR / Rivers
Jaden / Prince
OG / Anderson / Knight
Gobert / Reid / Garza

Ryan / Moore / Minott

Add 2 future draft picks.

I like that team better moving forward. Pushes the PG decision back a year, garners a better 6th man, brings grit. ANT, Jaden, OG, and Gobert would be a menace defensively. The bench provides a ton of options offensively and defensively.


Kat can't be traded until the summer. Trade dead


We also can't reacquire Beverley until this summer unless he's bought out.


Thing to consider with the salary slot argument: without assets to attach to D'Lo, what good is that slot? If we don't make the Gobert trade, keeping that salary slot is important. Without it, we can't expect anything good in return for that slot. So yes, losing that slot is a lost Avenue but what is that Avenue leading to without assets to attach to it? It's pretty clear that D'Lo's role moving forward is not as a starter on a good team.


Yes they can. He was traded to another team so he is eligible to be traded back to the wolves. I don't want to trade him because of the salary matching players but he can be traded back.


The rule is he can't be traded back to us until a year after the deal is done, regardless of how many times he's been dealt.

If he gets bought out, because he's been traded from the Jazz, he could come back that way.
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Clippers are looking for a point guard with Wall injured and I've seen rumors of Conley or Lowry to LA. I propose trading DLO for Luke Kennard and Cov who are both under utilized in LA, plus a late first rounder for taking on the extra years. Kennard is actually a good facilitator and probably better outside shooter than anyone the Wolves have besides KAT. Cov could add another spot up shooter who can play some defense. The salaries match up and we could throw in Knight too to open up a roster spot. I also like that it gives the Wolves some future trade flexibility with the added salaries-Cov has one more year and Kenard, two more years.
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KG4Ever wrote:Clippers are looking for a point guard with Wall injured and I've seen rumors of Lowry to LA. I propose trading DLO for Luke Kennard and Cov who are both under utilized in LA, plus a late first rounder for taking on the extra years. Kennard is actually a good facilitator and probably better outside shooter than anyone the Wolves have besides KAT. Cov could add another spot up shooter who can play some defense. The salaries match up and we could throw in Knight too to open up a roster spot. I also like that it gives the Wolves some future trade flexibility with the added salaries-Cov has one more year and Kenard, two more years.


I guess the part I struggle with short-term is wouldn't we be just putting ourselves in the same situation as the Clippers? Sure, we solve their short-term need for a PG with Wall out and get a couple of decent wings in return, but now we don't have a PG! I mean, literally, zero healthy PGs on the roster until little J-mac gets back and it's debatable how many minutes of the Jmac magic works for us.

I get and support the idea that we don't necessarily need 48 minutes per night of a pure PG being manned by a traditional PG. But I question how much of the ball handling and decision making Ant and Kyle Anderson (and Luke Kennard for that matter) can truly manage effectively. And guess who we REALLY become dependent on off the bench if Ant gets dinged up: Jaylen Nowell, who has been far worse than DLO this season!

Trading DLO right now and not getting a PG in return that can give us 25 MPG of competent play I think hurts our prospects this season. That might be OK if you don't really care about this season since we likely won't win a title either way. Others, including our front office, may still want to maximize our success this season.
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J Mac is another guy I just don't see helping the team until it might be too late.


That said, there's a very worrisome lack of urgency from Connelly from the moment he came here to address PG. I mean the first rumors that came from his front office were about pursuing Clint Capela and Rudy Gobert.

This is a team that needs to be churning through PG's on two ways and 10 days until one sticks. Wanna give Sharife Cooper a call? By all means. Wanna give Lester Quinones a look? Cool. If they can't trust the G League enough to give someone an opportunity at a position of desperate need that could even address it for you long term in some capacity, then what does that mean for Minott? Are they just wasting time?

The season would be easier to stomach if something else was panning out that we didn't expect. There's little to hold onto besides Ant making a leap and instead of being happy about it, we're gonna be paranoid that we've wasted every avenue to maximize this.
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WildWolf2813 wrote:J Mac is another guy I just don't see helping the team until it might be too late.


That said, there's a very worrisome lack of urgency from Connelly from the moment he came here to address PG. I mean the first rumors that came from his front office were about pursuing Clint Capela and Rudy Gobert.

This is a team that needs to be churning through PG's on two ways and 10 days until one sticks. Wanna give Sharife Cooper a call? By all means. Wanna give Lester Quinones a look? Cool. If they can't trust the G League enough to give someone an opportunity at a position of desperate need that could even address it for you long term in some capacity, then what does that mean for Minott? Are they just wasting time?

The season would be easier to stomach if something else was panning out that we didn't expect. There's little to hold onto besides Ant making a leap and instead of being happy about it, we're gonna be paranoid that we've wasted every avenue to maximize this.


In fairness, there were also rumors about our front office pursuing DeJounte Murray. Tim Connelly was big-game hunting rather than surgically trying to fill needs to build on last season's success. That was at the root of his failure last summer. However, I agree with you that our front office should have focused on the PG position as one of the team's targeted needs after last season. I also agree that focus should have included using two-way deals to sign guys like Sharife Cooper and McClung. I would have pursued Fultz last summer as I don't think we would have had to give up a lot to get him. He's still a tremendous talent and his age aligns with Ant and McDaniels. This team wasn't in desperate need for a huge move last summer. It just needed thoughtful, strategic augmenting to stay on a positive arc as it continues to build towards becoming a contender when Ant's game starts to flower - something that it wasn't reasonable to expect the season he turned 21 years old. Fortunately, Ant appears to be taking a big 3rd season leap after the first 25% of the season. But he still has a long way to go before he reaches his full potential. It was never about contending for a championship this season in my view. It should have been about staying competitive and building towards being a championship contender next season or the season after.
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The best thing about DLO is he is a winner. He just wins games where ever he has been. His winning percentage in his career is 64%. When DLO is on the court the teams he plays for are 9 points better per 100 possessions. It's truly impressive how great he is. I don't know why anyone is wishing for a trade. Just see what happens if you don't have DLO. You thought that NBA Championship was great last year? Good luck getting back.
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Minnesota:
- D'Angelo Russell (age 26; expiring contract)
- Naz Reid (age 23; expiring contract)
- Bryn Forbes (age 29; expiring contract)

Los Angeles:
- Terance Mann (age 26; two-years, $21.9M remaining)
- Marcus Morris Sr. (age 33; one-year, $17.1M remaining)
- Reggie Jackson (age 32; expiring contract)

This is another trade that I would entertain or consider, assuming Russell is priced out of an extension or if the Timberwolves front office wanted to go in another direction.
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