What do you do with the number 1 pick?
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Re: What do you do with the number 1 pick?
I dig the Wiseman buzz.
Hopefully, it drives up the price for the #1 pick...
Hopefully, it drives up the price for the #1 pick...
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Re: What do you do with the number 1 pick?
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I dig the Wiseman buzz.
Hopefully, it drives up the price for the #1 pick...
Agree.I think he is the best pick for us, whether we trade him or not.
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Q12543 wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:I dig the Wiseman buzz.
Hopefully, it drives up the price for the #1 pick...
Agree.I think he is the best pick for us, whether we trade him or not.
I haven't been this pro-trade since the 2011 draft (Derrick Williams).
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With Malik Beasley getting charged today and possibly facing jail time does that change anything for this draft. That our starting wings could be Okogie and Culver
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kekgeek1 wrote:With Malik Beasley getting charged today and possibly facing jail time does that change anything for this draft. That our starting wings could be Okogie and Culver
Changes nothing for me, but it is super disappointing.
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I'm firm in my belief that the Minnesota Timberwolves should just draft James Wiseman at No. 1 overall, but in the event that Gersson Rosas and company choose to go another route and trade down then I think they need to trade down twice.
For instance, if the Wolves decide that they're moving out of the top slot they should look to entertain a trade with the Hornets for the third-overall pick and a future first-round pick. Once that deal is done, they should be back on the phones looking to auction off the remaining prospect out of LaMelo Ball and Anthony Edwards, assuming Charlotte traded up for Wiseman.
Suitors could be the Atlanta Hawks (No. 6), Detroit Pistons (No. 7), and New York Knicks (No. 8 ). You trade down again and accumulate another future first-round pick or a set-and-forget young player like a Kevin Huerter or Luke Kennard.
Once you're in that 6-8 range you can take the prospect you feel the most comfortable with. Options would still include Devin Vassell, Onyeka Okongwu, Obi Toppin, Deni Avdija, Saddiq Bey, etc.
Basically, you're hedging your bets by getting a prospect you feel good about, but also gathering assets for an inevitable swing-for-the-fences trade for another star player in the future.
Much of this we have discussed already, but my main point here is that if you're Minnesota and you trade down once, then you should probably be doing so with another trade down in mind.
For instance, if the Wolves decide that they're moving out of the top slot they should look to entertain a trade with the Hornets for the third-overall pick and a future first-round pick. Once that deal is done, they should be back on the phones looking to auction off the remaining prospect out of LaMelo Ball and Anthony Edwards, assuming Charlotte traded up for Wiseman.
Suitors could be the Atlanta Hawks (No. 6), Detroit Pistons (No. 7), and New York Knicks (No. 8 ). You trade down again and accumulate another future first-round pick or a set-and-forget young player like a Kevin Huerter or Luke Kennard.
Once you're in that 6-8 range you can take the prospect you feel the most comfortable with. Options would still include Devin Vassell, Onyeka Okongwu, Obi Toppin, Deni Avdija, Saddiq Bey, etc.
Basically, you're hedging your bets by getting a prospect you feel good about, but also gathering assets for an inevitable swing-for-the-fences trade for another star player in the future.
Much of this we have discussed already, but my main point here is that if you're Minnesota and you trade down once, then you should probably be doing so with another trade down in mind.
Re: What do you do with the number 1 pick?
Camden wrote:I'm firm in my belief that the Minnesota Timberwolves should just draft James Wiseman at No. 1 overall, but in the event that Gersson Rosas and company choose to go another route and trade down then I think they need to trade down twice.
For instance, if the Wolves decide that they're moving out of the top slot they should look to entertain a trade with the Hornets for the third-overall pick and a future first-round pick. Once that deal is done, they should be back on the phones looking to auction off the remaining prospect out of LaMelo Ball and Anthony Edwards, assuming Charlotte traded up for Wiseman.
Suitors could be the Atlanta Hawks (No. 6), Detroit Pistons (No. 7), and New York Knicks (No. 8 ). You trade down again and accumulate another future first-round pick or a set-and-forget young player like a Kevin Huerter or Luke Kennard.
Once you're in that 6-8 range you can take the prospect you feel the most comfortable with. Options would still include Devin Vassell, Onyeka Okongwu, Obi Toppin, Deni Avdija, Saddiq Bey, etc.
Basically, you're hedging your bets by getting a prospect you feel good about, but also gathering assets for an inevitable swing-for-the-fences trade for another star player in the future.
Much of this we have discussed already, but my main point here is that if you're Minnesota and you trade down once, then you should probably be doing so with another trade down in mind.
I agree with you on this! You know Im not the biggest Wiseman fan but I am sort of coming around on the idea of Wiseman even though I am super worried about selecting a Center but I just don't love any prospect at the top of the board.
What do you think of this. With the news today of Beasley coming out I think there is a pretty high probability that he will not be back with the Wolves. So after the Wolves renounce the cap holds of Beasley, Turner, Martin, Hernangomez and resign McClaughlin the Wolves will have about 8.5 million under the cap.
Would you be happy if the Wolves did something like this. Trade #1 for #3 and a 2022 Top 5 protected pick. Then Trade #3 and Layman for #7 and Luke Kennard. Then Trade James Johnson, Spellman, Evans and #17 for Hield (Spellman and Evans are both expiring contracts and they need to be traded to really open up cap space). Wolves then trade #7 to the Celtics who are rumored they want to trade up for #14, #26 and #30
Wolves then could select Terry at #14, Pokusevski at #26, Isaiah Joe at #30 and Killian Tillie at #32
Start the year with
PG: Russell/Terry/McClaughlin
SG: Hield/Culver/Nowell/Joe
SF: Kennard/Okogie
PF: MLE/Vanderbilt/Pokusevski
C: Towns/Naz/Tillie
That is a 15 man roster that is young, can shoot a ton of 3s, has a lot of X factors. Obviously im spit balling but I agree with your premise, keep trading down.
Re: What do you do with the number 1 pick?
kekgeek1 wrote:Camden wrote:I'm firm in my belief that the Minnesota Timberwolves should just draft James Wiseman at No. 1 overall, but in the event that Gersson Rosas and company choose to go another route and trade down then I think they need to trade down twice.
For instance, if the Wolves decide that they're moving out of the top slot they should look to entertain a trade with the Hornets for the third-overall pick and a future first-round pick. Once that deal is done, they should be back on the phones looking to auction off the remaining prospect out of LaMelo Ball and Anthony Edwards, assuming Charlotte traded up for Wiseman.
Suitors could be the Atlanta Hawks (No. 6), Detroit Pistons (No. 7), and New York Knicks (No. 8 ). You trade down again and accumulate another future first-round pick or a set-and-forget young player like a Kevin Huerter or Luke Kennard.
Once you're in that 6-8 range you can take the prospect you feel the most comfortable with. Options would still include Devin Vassell, Onyeka Okongwu, Obi Toppin, Deni Avdija, Saddiq Bey, etc.
Basically, you're hedging your bets by getting a prospect you feel good about, but also gathering assets for an inevitable swing-for-the-fences trade for another star player in the future.
Much of this we have discussed already, but my main point here is that if you're Minnesota and you trade down once, then you should probably be doing so with another trade down in mind.
I agree with you on this! You know Im not the biggest Wiseman fan but I am sort of coming around on the idea of Wiseman even though I am super worried about selecting a Center but I just don't love any prospect at the top of the board.
What do you think of this. With the news today of Beasley coming out I think there is a pretty high probability that he will not be back with the Wolves. So after the Wolves renounce the cap holds of Beasley, Turner, Martin, Hernangomez and resign McClaughlin the Wolves will have about 8.5 million under the cap.
Would you be happy if the Wolves did something like this. Trade #1 for #3 and a 2022 Top 5 protected pick. Then Trade #3 and Layman for #7 and Luke Kennard. Then Trade James Johnson, Spellman, Evans and #17 for Hield (Spellman and Evans are both expiring contracts and they need to be traded to really open up cap space). Wolves then trade #7 to the Celtics who are rumored they want to trade up for #14, #26 and #30
Wolves then could select Terry at #14, Pokusevski at #26, Isaiah Joe at #30 and Killian Tillie at #32
Start the year with
PG: Russell/Terry/McClaughlin
SG: Hield/Culver/Nowell/Joe
SF: Kennard/Okogie
PF: MLE/Vanderbilt/Pokusevski
C: Towns/Naz/Tillie
That is a 15 man roster that is young, can shoot a ton of 3s, has a lot of X factors. Obviously im spit balling but I agree with your premise, keep trading down.
FWIW being under the cap is nice but 8.5 million is less than what the mid level is likely to be.
The Wolves are unlikely to pick 4 guys. 3 is probably the max plus they might sign an undraft guy or 2 that may have a Slight chance at sticking. Maybe they draft 4 guys if one of them is willing to sign a 2 way deal. I LOVE the idea of getting a bunch of rookies but I do think it's reasonable to have a bit of a cap there.
I'm loving Cam (And others) are in on the trade down idea. I'd be down with it too. Hopefully the Wolves can get stocked with a couple future picks while doing that and still draft some worthwhile players this year. I get the feeling the Wolves are going to get some offers or #1 but how good will they be?
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monsterpile wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:Camden wrote:I'm firm in my belief that the Minnesota Timberwolves should just draft James Wiseman at No. 1 overall, but in the event that Gersson Rosas and company choose to go another route and trade down then I think they need to trade down twice.
I'm loving Cam (And others) are in on the trade down idea. I'd be down with it too. Hopefully the Wolves can get stocked with a couple future picks while doing that and still draft some worthwhile players this year. I get the feeling the Wolves are going to get some offers or #1 but how good will they be?
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Trade #1 for #3 and a 2022 Top 5 protected pick.
Assuming the Wolves aren't interested in taking James Wiseman, then this is quite clearly the first domino that needs to fall. Again, I'd just take Wiseman, but if we trade down this needs to be the first occurrence.
Trade #3 and Layman for #7 and Luke Kennard.
Sign me up for this trade. This is again assuming that Wiseman is already off the board and nothing unexpected happens -- like Charlotte taking LaMelo Ball and then Golden State selecting Anthony Edwards.
Wolves then trade #7 to the Celtics who are rumored they want to trade up for #14, #26 and #30
This is where I'd probably pump the brakes, personally. The Wolves are going to run into the issue of having too many unavailable roster spots as it is and adding more draft picks doesn't help with that issue. Additionally, dropping from No. 1 to eventually 14 is a steep fall and one that likely puts us outside of my top two or three tiers of prospects. We'd likely miss out on all of Devin Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Obi Toppin, Onyeka Okongwu, and others. That's quite a gamble in what is already a risky strategy by passing on the consensus top three to start the round.
Trade James Johnson, Spellman, Evans and #17 for Hield (Spellman and Evans are both expiring contracts and they need to be traded to really open up cap space).
And just like that I'm with you again. Once the decision is made that Wiseman isn't the guy, and they've picked up Kennard along the way, we are basically moving all-in on the offensive side of the ball. We're going to try to outscore teams on a nightly basis and defensive focus will turn to situational stops versus giving a damn for 48 minutes. Buddy Hield gives you a quietly elite shooter and good secondary scorer to pair next to D'Angelo Russell in the backcourt. He's also locked up on a fair deal for four more years that decreases annually in salary. The cost makes sense as well given that it's a mid first-round pick and expiring contract. This is an easy decision for me.
Really, the only trade that you suggested that I wouldn't do is the Celtics deal because I think we'd position ourselves outside of some really worthwhile prospects for the sake of accumulating more -- but lesser -- quality selections. Again, I like this draft class more than most and don't see it like others do. I think there is a noticeable difference in talent in that 6-12 range compared to 14-20 and beyond.
Assuming the Wolves aren't interested in taking James Wiseman, then this is quite clearly the first domino that needs to fall. Again, I'd just take Wiseman, but if we trade down this needs to be the first occurrence.
Trade #3 and Layman for #7 and Luke Kennard.
Sign me up for this trade. This is again assuming that Wiseman is already off the board and nothing unexpected happens -- like Charlotte taking LaMelo Ball and then Golden State selecting Anthony Edwards.
Wolves then trade #7 to the Celtics who are rumored they want to trade up for #14, #26 and #30
This is where I'd probably pump the brakes, personally. The Wolves are going to run into the issue of having too many unavailable roster spots as it is and adding more draft picks doesn't help with that issue. Additionally, dropping from No. 1 to eventually 14 is a steep fall and one that likely puts us outside of my top two or three tiers of prospects. We'd likely miss out on all of Devin Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Obi Toppin, Onyeka Okongwu, and others. That's quite a gamble in what is already a risky strategy by passing on the consensus top three to start the round.
Trade James Johnson, Spellman, Evans and #17 for Hield (Spellman and Evans are both expiring contracts and they need to be traded to really open up cap space).
And just like that I'm with you again. Once the decision is made that Wiseman isn't the guy, and they've picked up Kennard along the way, we are basically moving all-in on the offensive side of the ball. We're going to try to outscore teams on a nightly basis and defensive focus will turn to situational stops versus giving a damn for 48 minutes. Buddy Hield gives you a quietly elite shooter and good secondary scorer to pair next to D'Angelo Russell in the backcourt. He's also locked up on a fair deal for four more years that decreases annually in salary. The cost makes sense as well given that it's a mid first-round pick and expiring contract. This is an easy decision for me.
Really, the only trade that you suggested that I wouldn't do is the Celtics deal because I think we'd position ourselves outside of some really worthwhile prospects for the sake of accumulating more -- but lesser -- quality selections. Again, I like this draft class more than most and don't see it like others do. I think there is a noticeable difference in talent in that 6-12 range compared to 14-20 and beyond.