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It's being reported by CBS sports, that jimmy butler told the cavs he does not want to go there

I have a hard time believing that all the Bulls wanted was the #3 pick. If that's true, I don't even know what to think anymore.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I have a hard time believing that all the Bulls wanted was the #3 pick. If that's true, I don't even know what to think anymore.

I think they would rather have #3 and Hayward or griffin than just jimmy butler.

I also think they are setting up for a big time trade offer for anthony Davis in 2018

CoolBreeze44 wrote:I have a hard time believing that all the Bulls wanted was the #3 pick. If that's true, I don't even know what to think anymore.

Cool -- I'm sure the Bulls wanted more. They likely had preliminary discussions and the Bulls already knew that was the best deal they could get from the Celtics. Obviously, they were right not to ask for more because the Celtics wouldn't even accept that deal.

People seem to be missing the mark on what determines trade value. It's not the relative talent of the players involved and it's not the value a team puts on its players. It's the market value of the players involved and the market value, in turn, flows from the circumstances of the teams. The Bulls know they need to rebuild and that Butler is the only asset they have to jump start the rebuilding process. And of course, the rest of the League knows the Bulls situation. Hence, while Butler is "worth" more than Jason Tatum or Josh Jackson based on proven ability to play, Butler's market value is significantly less. That's why I posted earlier my view that the Wolves could potentially end up with Butler without giving up KAT, Wiggins or LaVine. It's also worth considering whether there physical issues with Butler that team's suspect but that hasn't been publicly reported.

I get the sense that Boston isn't particularly interested in Butler. That surprises me because he'd be a perfect fit and great addition to the Celtics -- an ingredient that could put them in contention with the Cavs in the playoffs next year. But maybe the Celtics are convinced they can get Butler without giving up the #3 pick. The Celtics are so loaded with the kinds of assets a team starting a rebuild would be interested in. Here's a list of those assets other than this year's #3 pick:

1. The Nets 2018 unprotected 1st round pick -- likely a high lottery pick
2. The Lakers 2018 first round pick or better of the Kings or Sixers 2019 1st round pick
3. Boston's own 2018 and 2019 1st round picks
4. The Clippers' lottery-protected 2019 1st round pick
5. The Wolves 2017 2nd round pick - #37 (a nice asset)
6.The Cavs and Clippers 2nd round picks this year - ##53 and 56
7. Avery Bradley (26 years old)
8. Marcus Smart (23 years old)
9. Terry Rozier (23 years old)
10. Tyler Zeller (27 yeas old)

Of course, the Celtics also gave I. Thomas, Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown, but I don't see the Celtics putting any of those guys on the table. Bottom line is that the Celtics are overloaded with the very assets that a rebuilding teams like the Bulls would covet.

So I still think the Celtics will end up with Butler without giving up their #3 pick if, in fact, the Celtics are truly interested in adding Butler. If they're not interested in Butler I'd love to know why. If the Celtics aren't interested then I expect to see deal with the Wolves that will bring Butler here.

kekgeek1 wrote:It's being reported by CBS sports, that jimmy butler told the cavs he does not want to go there

He sees the writing on the wall there, Lebron is likely gone after next season.

BloopOracle wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:It's being reported by CBS sports, that jimmy butler told the cavs he does not want to go there

He sees the writing on the wall there, Lebron is likely gone after next season.

Yep. He probably also wonders how he'd fit with two other ball dominant stars, LeBron and Kyrie. Whatever the reason, it's clear the Bulls will trade Butler this summer and it looks like it's between the Celtics and Wolves. The Celtics have the asset advantage of the Wolves. But if the Celtics aren't interested, as I suspect, they the Wolves may be the only game in town.

I heard that Jimmy was all in on going to Cleveland but then Robin Lopez texted him and told him there was no Native Foods Cafe in Cleveland and Jimmy quickly reversed course.

Lip are the Celtics all in on the next couple years or are they still interested in building something? Butler is a really good player but they may have to give up at least one player they like to get him even the guy they plan to get at 3 they may feel really strongly about. Butler is an injury risk and 2 years from now may cost an absolute yacht load of money if he wants all the money he can get. I'm just throwing out another angle to consider. I'm still not sure I buy the #3 for Butler deal. Not all these reports are accurate.

I think Boston is hard after Blake Griffin and Hayward this summer in free agency and saving assets for Anthony Davis. I do feel like Gordon will end up in green though

monsterpile wrote:Lip are the Celtics all in on the next couple years or are they still interested in building something? Butler is a really good player but they may have to give up at least one player they like to get him even the guy they plan to get at 3 they may feel really strongly about. Butler is an injury risk and 2 years from now may cost an absolute yacht load of money if he wants all the money he can get. I'm just throwing out another angle to consider. I'm still not sure I buy the #3 for Butler deal. Not all these reports are accurate.

Monster -- Given that the Celtics had the best record in the East last season, I think they're all in now provided they get the right player. Otherwise, they're likely willing to wait a year for the "right" player to be available. You listed a couple reasons why the Celtics may not be too interested in Butler. Those are precisely the reasons the Wolves shouldn't be overly interested -- that is, the injury history and the money it would take to keep Butler in a couple years. And Butler's not as good a fit with the 31-win Wolves as he is with the 53-win Celtics.

I believe the report about the Celtics rejecting the #3 deal, mainly because it had already been reported that the Celtics weren't pursuing Butler. Danny Ainge has proven to be pretty savvy having built a championship team with Pierce, KG and Ray Allen and then rebuilding the tread into the team with the best record in the East. He's amassed an incredible storehouse of assets valuable to rebuilding teams. So he might be holding out for an even better Butler deal. But he could have his sights set on Hayward, Blake Griffin and others.