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KiwiMatt wrote:

Tactical unit wrote:I've been thinking about it and I actually like a Westbrook trade. His defense, rebounding and competitive spirit is something I want on this team. I don't think it cripples this team I think it makes other players want to come to this team and if Wiggins doesn't grow with him, KAT, Covington then we can worry about Wiggins at that point in time.

I am willing to move Okogie, KBD and a 1st lottery protected for 3 years converts to two 2nds after that. I think that with Teague / Dieng is a solid offer on what has been reported as a lukewarm market for Russ.

PG: Westbrook, Napier, Wallace
SG: Wiggins / Culver / Graham / Nowell
SF: Covington / Layman / Culver
PF: Vonleh / Bell / Layman
C: Towns / Vonleh / Reid

That's a solid team.

I'd definately offer them that deal, but doubt they'd bite. But hey it might be the best offer they get, you never know. I think we'd need to take the protection off that pick, or make it top 3 protected for them to consider it.

Ok so that's some decent assets to give up for Westbrook.

The next question IMHO is whether another team could or would beat that. I'd argue that a Theoretical Winslow, Herro (and maybe Bam) Dragic deal (works in the trade machine) would be better just because Winslow is already a legit starting level player on a good contract plus no basically dead salary beyond this year for Dieng. It's all depending on how various players are valued but again this is why I think eventually OKC ends up with a nice return for Westbrook who is a heck of a player despite his flaws.

I think unless the price was so cheap I would pass on Westbrook because it feels like we could end up with a similar situation to Jimmy Butler coming here and is Westbrook going to help you develop your guys around him? And Towns? Seems risky. Yes there is a possible reward but the downside is not exactly wonderful. It's interesting to consider and talk through though.

monsterpile wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:

Tactical unit wrote:I've been thinking about it and I actually like a Westbrook trade. His defense, rebounding and competitive spirit is something I want on this team. I don't think it cripples this team I think it makes other players want to come to this team and if Wiggins doesn't grow with him, KAT, Covington then we can worry about Wiggins at that point in time.

I am willing to move Okogie, KBD and a 1st lottery protected for 3 years converts to two 2nds after that. I think that with Teague / Dieng is a solid offer on what has been reported as a lukewarm market for Russ.

PG: Westbrook, Napier, Wallace
SG: Wiggins / Culver / Graham / Nowell
SF: Covington / Layman / Culver
PF: Vonleh / Bell / Layman
C: Towns / Vonleh / Reid

That's a solid team.

I'd definately offer them that deal, but doubt they'd bite. But hey it might be the best offer they get, you never know. I think we'd need to take the protection off that pick, or make it top 3 protected for them to consider it.

Ok so that's some decent assets to give up for Westbrook.

The next question IMHO is whether another team could or would beat that. I'd argue that a Theoretical Winslow, Herro (and maybe Bam) Dragic deal (works in the trade machine) would be better just because Winslow is already a legit starting level player on a good contract plus no basically dead salary beyond this year for Dieng. It's all depending on how various players are valued but again this is why I think eventually OKC ends up with a nice return for Westbrook who is a heck of a player despite his flaws.

I think unless the price was so cheap I would pass on Westbrook because it feels like we could end up with a similar situation to Jimmy Butler coming here and is Westbrook going to help you develop your guys around him? And Towns? Seems risky. Yes there is a possible reward but the downside is not exactly wonderful. It's interesting to consider and talk through though.

We'd have 12 players under contract w/ Reid as a two way player so room to add to a nice lineup. I think you have to ask Westbrook if he's ok with being the veteran motivator and KAT being the leader. If he is I'm on board.

Westbrook would agree to a Miami trade, not a Minnesota trade. Fashion is very important to him. Miami is the perfect spot for him.

I think we need to get any and every all-star we can - the belief that future picks or players that have zero current ability to start should be moved - history shows this.

That said...I am not sure Towns wants this - I could be wrong but I think he had an adverse reaction to the last all-star we had on the team that showed max effort.

BizarroJerry wrote:Westbrook would agree to a Miami trade, not a Minnesota trade. Fashion is very important to him. Miami is the perfect spot for him.

His fashion is something special to say the least.

apollotsg wrote:I think we need to get any and every all-star we can - the belief that future picks or players that have zero current ability to start should be moved - history shows this.

That said...I am not sure Towns wants this - I could be wrong but I think he had an adverse reaction to the last all-star we had on the team that showed max effort.

That's my concern also. I don't think it's just Towns...the fan base, the organization as a whole...I ultimately don't think it's a wise move. There certainly is a possibility of having another cantankerous star making everyone's life miserable and I'm not even a Westbrook hater.

Westbrook isn't the only option. Accumulated assets have shown (like you said) can be moved to add high end players. Along the way maybe you end up with some guys that are more than just guys.

Alright guys here is Kiwi Matts Three Team Super Trade:

MIN Receive: Steven Adams, Goran Dragic and Patrick Patterson

MIA Receive: Russell Westbrook and Gorgui Dieng

OKC Receive: Andrew Wiggins, Jeff Teague, James Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, Tyler Herro (or Bam), MIA 2023 unprotected 1st round pick (or Bam) and two future 2nd round picks (MIN).

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y66n4rym

Lineup:
Dragic / Napier / Wallace
Culver / Okogie / Nowell / Graham
Covington / Bates - Diop / Layman
Towns / Vonleh / Patterson
Adams / Bell / Reid (2 way)

"Timberwolves get: Russell Westbrook, Andre Roberson

Thunder get: Andrew Wiggins, Jeff Teague, Josh Okogie."

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/cbkqj6/espn_nba_insiders_six_big_russell_westbrook/

I guess it's not just random fans kicking trade ideas around.

apollotsg wrote:I think we need to get any and every all-star we can - the belief that future picks or players that have zero current ability to start should be moved - history shows this.

That said...I am not sure Towns wants this - I could be wrong but I think he had an adverse reaction to the last all-star we had on the team that showed max effort.

If Towns can't make it work with two of the hardest working players in the league he's gonna have a real bad stigma that follows him wherever he goes.

TheGrey08 wrote:"Timberwolves get: Russell Westbrook, Andre Roberson

Thunder get: Andrew Wiggins, Jeff Teague, Josh Okogie."

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/cbkqj6/espn_nba_insiders_six_big_russell_westbrook/

I guess it's not just random fans kicking trade ideas around.

At that price, i think wed have to consider it.