Offseason trade forum

[AbeVigodaLive]

Mike Conley traded to the Jazz for Jae Crowder, Korver, Grayson Allen, #23 and a future 1st

This one has been bubbling for awhile. It simply makes too much sense.

I dig that trade for Utah. Are they going to keep Favors? Losing Crowder hurts spacing... which has long plagued the Favors/Gobert pairing.

Crowder hasn't exactly been a high percentage guy from 3. Maybe they just play Royce O'Neal a lot more. It's a good trade for them getting Conley. Hopefully he stays healthy. One thing you can bet on with the Jazz is they will trade first round picks for a PG if their PG is a FA. Lol Memphis got some decent value there. They can probably flip guys like Korver and Crowder for at least multiple 2nd round picks to make the deal even better. They may also like having a couple guys that know how to play and therefore not suck. Utah has taken out one of the spots for starting PGs and also cut into their cap space too.

Obviously, Memphis is rebuilding. But it feels like they waited too long to do so.

Not getting anything for Tyreke Evans at the deadline in '18 remains puzzling. And getting only a 23rd pick (and a future 1st) for Gasol + Conley seems like a lost opportunity...

There is more to it than what you are suggesting although sure ai think they may have missed an opportunity. Let's see how much they sign Jonus V and maybe even Delon Wright. Jonus did average like 20/10 after arriving in Memphis. Depending on how you value Grayson Allen you could argue Memphis got 3-4 late first round picks (when you consider they could also move Korver and Crowder) for Conley. That's the sort of deal some people actually were considering a decent idea for Jimmy Butler a few months ago. It's not high end assets but...it's better than what they were reportedly being offered at the deadline. The Evans decision was weird I'd rip them more for that one than the others. Gasol and Conley were massive parts of their culture and why they had made all those runs. Hanging onto those guys seems more forgive-able even though they obviously were guys with a lot of value.

I agree about the reluctance to move on entirely from the Grit N Grind culture.

With Morant arriving... it seems like the fans will miss it less than they would have previously...

[kekgeek]

Evan Turner for Kent Bazemore trade

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Evan Turner for Kent Bazemore trade

What a win for Portland.

[Monster]

Evan Turner for Kent Bazemore trade

What a win for Portland.

Yep.

I do like the idea of Turner's ability to basically be a backup PG on the wing with Atlanta who will probably run out a bunch of young guys with him on the wing. I'm sure they are happy to be able to send Bazemore to a playoff team also. It's A fun comparison seeing these guys traded for each other. One guy was at the time a no-brainer too 10 pick and the other guy undrafted and bounced around to a couple teams before sticking in the league and having a nice career.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Not sure what thread this comment should be posted in, but I had a thought. I was scrolling through Twitter and saw people talking about the Nets. Evidently, many people think DeAndre Jordan should/will start for Brooklyn at center.

Why does that shock me? Jarrett Allen, at 20-years old, was a vastly better player than Jordan last year. I only expect that gap to widen as the years pass by. Well, Jordan agreed to a four-year, $40M deal with the Nets and, in my opinion, did so to appease Kevin Durant. So, basically, they're married to the guy.

Why do I bring this up? I'll tell you why. Allen is far too good a player to be stuck coming off the bench -- even for a team that looks to contend in the East very soon.

What would I do if I were Gersson Rosas? I'd offer Robert Covington for Allen and Taurean Prince. To make things work salary-wise, I'd include Keita Bates-Diop from Minnesota and Rodions Kurucs from Brooklyn.

Why the Nets go for it: Covington is an All-NBA defender, when healthy, and one of the better 3/D players in the game. He can guard 2-4 effectively and his team defense plays in any scheme. He's also one year removed from draining 203 three-pointers, so, he provides not just efficiency from deep, but volume as well. Not to mention he's currently locked into a very team-friendly $36M on the remaining three years of his contract. If you're the Nets and you just went all-in by signing Durant and Kyrie Irving, pulling the trigger on a trade for Covington just makes sense.

Why the Wolves go for it: Allen and Prince are both above average NBA starters at the young ages of 21 and 25, respectively.

Allen, believe it or not, posted the highest WS on the playoff-bound Nets last year and had the second-highest VORP to boot. He's a 6'11", 237-pound rangy big with good lateral quickness and a ridiculous 7'5" wingspan. Last year he averaged a respectable 10.9 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.5 BPG, and 0.5 SPG in 26.2 MPG. He's not much of an outside threat, but he made 62.9% of his 2P shots and buried 70.9% of his free throws -- both of which predominantly led to a .632 TS%. He's the modern day big that fits on just about every team. It also wouldn't surprise me to see Allen become a Defensive Player of the Year candidate very soon.

Prince, on the other hand, is a complimentary scorer capable of playing either forward position depending on the situation. First and foremost, he's a legitimately good three-point shooter. He shot 38.5% (5.5 3PA) and 39.0% (5.7 3PA) over the last two seasons. He's a motion player that primarily generates his buckets moving without the basketball. At 6'8", 220-pounds, you'd like him to be a better rebounder at his position than he is (career TRB% of 8.2% leaves a lot to be desired), but for what he brings offensively, you can deal with that.

With this trade, Minnesota could liquidate one great role player on a value contract for two really good role players that are more youthful and still team-controlled.

[Lipoli390]

Not sure what thread this comment should be posted in, but I had a thought. I was scrolling through Twitter and saw people talking about the Nets. Evidently, many people think DeAndre Jordan should/will start for Brooklyn at center.

Why does that shock me? Jarrett Allen, at 20-years old, was a vastly better player than Jordan last year. I only expect that gap to widen as the years pass by. Well, Jordan agreed to a four-year, $40M deal with the Nets and, in my opinion, did so to appease Kevin Durant. So, basically, they're married to the guy.

Why do I bring this up? I'll tell you why. Allen is far too good a player to be stuck coming off the bench -- even for a team that looks to contend in the East very soon.

What would I do if I were Gersson Rosas? I'd offer Robert Covington for Allen and Taurean Prince. To make things work salary-wise, I'd include Keita Bates-Diop from Minnesota and Rodions Kurucs from Brooklyn.

Why the Nets go for it: Covington is an All-NBA defender, when healthy, and one of the better 3/D players in the game. He can guard 2-4 effectively and his team defense plays in any scheme. He's also one year removed from draining 203 three-pointers, so, he provides not just efficiency from deep, but volume as well. Not to mention he's currently locked into a very team-friendly $36M on the remaining three years of his contract. If you're the Nets and you just went all-in by signing Durant and Kyrie Irving, pulling the trigger on a trade for Covington just makes sense.

Why the Wolves go for it: Allen and Prince are both above average NBA starters at the young ages of 21 and 25, respectively.

Allen, believe it or not, posted the highest WS on the playoff-bound Nets last year and had the second-highest VORP to boot. He's a 6'11", 237-pound rangy big with good lateral quickness and a ridiculous 7'5" wingspan. Last year he averaged a respectable 10.9 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.5 BPG, and 0.5 SPG in 26.2 MPG. He's not much of an outside threat, but he made 62.9% of his 2P shots and buried 70.9% of his free throws -- both of which predominantly led to a .632 TS%. He's the modern day big that fits on just about every team. It also wouldn't surprise me to see Allen become a Defensive Player of the Year candidate very soon.

Prince, on the other hand, is a complimentary scorer capable of playing either forward position depending on the situation. First and foremost, he's a legitimately good three-point shooter. He shot 38.5% (5.5 3PA) and 39.0% (5.7 3PA) over the last two seasons. He's a motion player that primarily generates his buckets moving without the basketball. At 6'8", 220-pounds, you'd like him to be a better rebounder at his position than he is (career TRB% of 8.2% leaves a lot to be desired), but for what he brings offensively, you can deal with that.

With this trade, Minnesota could liquidate one great role player on a value contract for two really good role players that are more youthful and still team-controlled.

Cam - This is a brilliant idea. I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I don't see the Nets even seriously considering it. There might be people who think Jordan will start at center, but question whether those people include the Nets' head coach. Nevertheless, Gersson should get on the phone right now and make the offer.

[WildWolf2813]

No way Brooklyn does that deal. They really really like Allen and Kurucs. Despite Russell's improvement, their season didn't really turn around until Atkinson started using Kurucs in the rotation more. Marks is a very smart GM. He wouldn't do this.


What the Wolves need to do is find their version of Joe Harris, their Dinwiddie, hell, their version of D'Angelo Russell. They've done a fantastic job in the draft but they hit so well with their reclamation projects. Unfortunately, Culver aside, this team isn't doing anything to add more shooting and playmaking. I wouldn't be upset if Nowell was in the rotation though.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

No way Brooklyn does that deal. They really really like Allen and Kurucs. Despite Russell's improvement, their season didn't really turn around until Atkinson started using Kurucs in the rotation more. Marks is a very smart GM. He wouldn't do this.


What the Wolves need to do is find their version of Joe Harris, their Dinwiddie, hell, their version of D'Angelo Russell. They've done a fantastic job in the draft but they hit so well with their reclamation projects. Unfortunately, Culver aside, this team isn't doing anything to add more shooting and playmaking. I wouldn't be upset if Nowell was in the rotation though.

Perhaps, but the Nets also really liked D'Angelo Russell and just mashed the upgrade button in signing Kyrie Irving. Same thing could apply here with Robert Covington being another significant upgrade over Taurean Prince, who's a restricted free agent in 2020, and Rodions Kurucs.

Also, they have every reason to really like Jarrett Allen, but signing DeAndre Jordan to a four-year deal indicates to me that they intend to play him a lot, and perhaps even give him the starting job with the bulk of the minutes.

Sean Marks is a tremendous GM, and I honestly don't see this as a bad move for the Nets, but I also don't think Jordan should have been a free agent priority for them given that they already had Allen. I see this as a realistic trade in theory.

[Monster]

Mike Conley traded to the Jazz for Jae Crowder, Korver, Grayson Allen, #23 and a future 1st

This one has been bubbling for awhile. It simply makes too much sense.

I dig that trade for Utah. Are they going to keep Favors? Losing Crowder hurts spacing... which has long plagued the Favors/Gobert pairing.

Crowder hasn't exactly been a high percentage guy from 3. Maybe they just play Royce O'Neal a lot more. It's a good trade for them getting Conley. Hopefully he stays healthy. One thing you can bet on with the Jazz is they will trade first round picks for a PG if their PG is a FA. Lol Memphis got some decent value there. They can probably flip guys like Korver and Crowder for at least multiple 2nd round picks to make the deal even better. They may also like having a couple guys that know how to play and therefore not suck. Utah has taken out one of the spots for starting PGs and also cut into their cap space too.

Obviously, Memphis is rebuilding. But it feels like they waited too long to do so.

Not getting anything for Tyreke Evans at the deadline in '18 remains puzzling. And getting only a 23rd pick (and a future 1st) for Gasol + Conley seems like a lost opportunity...

There is more to it than what you are suggesting although sure ai think they may have missed an opportunity. Let's see how much they sign Jonus V and maybe even Delon Wright. Jonus did average like 20/10 after arriving in Memphis. Depending on how you value Grayson Allen you could argue Memphis got 3-4 late first round picks (when you consider they could also move Korver and Crowder) for Conley. That's the sort of deal some people actually were considering a decent idea for Jimmy Butler a few months ago. It's not high end assets but...it's better than what they were reportedly being offered at the deadline. The Evans decision was weird I'd rip them more for that one than the others. Gasol and Conley were massive parts of their culture and why they had made all those runs. Hanging onto those guys seems more forgive-able even though they obviously were guys with a lot of value.

I agree about the reluctance to move on entirely from the Grit N Grind culture.

With Morant arriving... it seems like the fans will miss it less than they would have previously...

I scrolled past this today and though i would add we have a bit more clarity on what Memphis got back for their 2 former cornerstones. Jonas V resigned for 3 years 45 million. Yeah big guys like him don't have the value they once did but he is good player and that's a reasonable salary. He turned 27 a few weeks ago. They also received a 1st round pick from GS for taking on Iggy with financial space the had from these deals. Memphis fans look like they can have some hope for now and obviously more so in the future.

[WildWolf2813]

No way Brooklyn does that deal. They really really like Allen and Kurucs. Despite Russell's improvement, their season didn't really turn around until Atkinson started using Kurucs in the rotation more. Marks is a very smart GM. He wouldn't do this.


What the Wolves need to do is find their version of Joe Harris, their Dinwiddie, hell, their version of D'Angelo Russell. They've done a fantastic job in the draft but they hit so well with their reclamation projects. Unfortunately, Culver aside, this team isn't doing anything to add more shooting and playmaking. I wouldn't be upset if Nowell was in the rotation though.

Perhaps, but the Nets also really liked D'Angelo Russell and just mashed the upgrade button in signing Kyrie Irving. Same thing could apply here with Robert Covington being another significant upgrade over Taurean Prince, who's a restricted free agent in 2020, and Rodions Kurucs.

Also, they have every reason to really like Jarrett Allen, but signing DeAndre Jordan to a four-year deal indicates to me that they intend to play him a lot, and perhaps even give him the starting job with the bulk of the minutes.

Sean Marks is a tremendous GM, and I honestly don't see this as a bad move for the Nets, but I also don't think Jordan should have been a free agent priority for them given that they already had Allen. I see this as a realistic trade in theory.

They upgraded from D'Angelo Russell because it ultimately netted them Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. Without KD, there's a good chance they just keep Russell.

As for Jarrett Allen, don't let the DeAndre Jordan signing get in the way. He's there to mentor Allen going forward the way Jordan did for Mitchell Robinson the 2nd half of the year with the Knicks. Allen and LeVert are two guys I see there for a long time. Just because Rosas wants to see Covington as a primary PF doesn't mean the Nets do (and they also brought in Wilson Chandler as well) Nic Claxton isn't ready to assume meaningful PT on the Nets yet.