Minnesota Sports Forum

WolvesFan21 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

FNG wrote:I would describe myself as a political moderate...leaning more left on most social issues. In my business career I have worked to ensure some level of diversity in my office, because I think it is the right thing to do for many reasons. I offer this as a preamble to stating my outrage at the National Basketball Coaches Association, led by Rick Carlyle and David Vogel, criticizing the process by which the Wolves hired David Finch. They said in a statement "it would be remiss not to acknowledge a deeper concern and level of disappointment with the Minnesota head coach hiring process". They went on to criticize the fact that minority candidates were not considered properly in the process.

Did the NBCA take the time to consider that the guy who made the hire is himself a minority, and that minorities are strongly represented in the coaching staff and throughout the organization? Perhaps Carlyle should be taking a shot at his own owner for hiring lily white Donn Nelson as their POBO.

I will say that at least Carlyle practices what he preaches, because he has one of the most diverse coaching staffs in the league. But to criticize a POBO who is a minority for not properly considering minorities in his search (if he indeed didn't...we don't really know who he talked with besides Finch), is an absurdity beyond measure. I'm not disputing the validity of Carlyle's mission...I'm just saying it doesn't apply in this instance.

This was the stupidest story over the last few days. I usual agree with the systematic racism we see in most businesses. This one is dumb, Rosas is Columbian, our 2nd in command is Indian, 3rd in command is Italian. The Wolves have an African American and Argintine on the wolves coaching staff.

I agree there should be more African Americans in higher NBA power but to do after the Wolves when they might have the most diverse power structure in sports not just the NBA!

I hate this loaded race argument. Give me the best person for the job irregardless of race or gender. At what point does it become a racist persecution of white people? It makes sense that there have been more white coaches than minorities, as white people have held the majority population for a long time. That will change. Just let it happen organically, otherwise it will become more divided.

You do not fight for rights only to turn around for retribution.

Well the majority in the NBA has been black for quite a while now and yet there is still a minority in terms of coaching so I think that's a fair issue to consider. What other issues are you willing to let work themselves out organically?

I think intervention is a bad thing in most forms. Not to get off topic but GOV intervenes in everything it can and all we do is get worse results for humanity.

The free market is the best solution.

I think it is also offensive to say all the owners and POB's and GM's in sports are racist at least subconsciously. That they cannot distinguish between coaching ability and the color of someones skin. The other offense is that the fans may want a white coach, we just want a winner.

Not to say that their is a very small portion of people who may actually want a white coach or black coach for that matter, which is exactly what these talking heads are asking for!

FNG wrote:If I'm not mistaken, the Rooney rule requires NFL franchises to fully disclose whom they interview for coaching positions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of any such requirement in the NBA. How does the NBCA even know whom Rosas talked to before deciding to hire Finch. Yeah, he knew Finch from his Houston days, so it's possible that he was the only candidate...dumb as that might be. But Rosas has also hinted that the Saunders firing was being considered for some time. Unless Rosas specifically told Carlyle that he hadn't considered even one minority candidate, isn't it a little presumptuous for Carlyle to spank him publicly?

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

FNG wrote:I would describe myself as a political moderate...leaning more left on most social issues. In my business career I have worked to ensure some level of diversity in my office, because I think it is the right thing to do for many reasons. I offer this as a preamble to stating my outrage at the National Basketball Coaches Association, led by Rick Carlyle and David Vogel, criticizing the process by which the Wolves hired David Finch. They said in a statement "it would be remiss not to acknowledge a deeper concern and level of disappointment with the Minnesota head coach hiring process". They went on to criticize the fact that minority candidates were not considered properly in the process.

Did the NBCA take the time to consider that the guy who made the hire is himself a minority, and that minorities are strongly represented in the coaching staff and throughout the organization? Perhaps Carlyle should be taking a shot at his own owner for hiring lily white Donn Nelson as their POBO.

I will say that at least Carlyle practices what he preaches, because he has one of the most diverse coaching staffs in the league. But to criticize a POBO who is a minority for not properly considering minorities in his search (if he indeed didn't...we don't really know who he talked with besides Finch), is an absurdity beyond measure. I'm not disputing the validity of Carlyle's mission...I'm just saying it doesn't apply in this instance.

This was the stupidest story over the last few days. I usual agree with the systematic racism we see in most businesses. This one is dumb, Rosas is Columbian, our 2nd in command is Indian, 3rd in command is Italian. The Wolves have an African American and Argintine on the wolves coaching staff.

I agree there should be more African Americans in higher NBA power but to do after the Wolves when they might have the most diverse power structure in sports not just the NBA!

I hate this loaded race argument. Give me the best person for the job irregardless of race or gender. At what point does it become a racist persecution of white people? It makes sense that there have been more white coaches than minorities, as white people have held the majority population for a long time. That will change. Just let it happen organically, otherwise it will become more divided.

You do not fight for rights only to turn around for retribution.

Well the majority in the NBA has been black for quite a while now and yet there is still a minority in terms of coaching so I think that's a fair issue to consider. What other issues are you willing to let work themselves out organically?

I think intervention is a bad thing in most forms. Not to get off topic but GOV intervenes in everything it can and all we do is get worse results for humanity.

The free market is the best solution.

I think it is also offensive to say all the owners and POB's and GM's in sports are racist at least subconsciously. That they cannot distinguish between coaching ability and the color of someones skin. The other offense is that the fans may want a white coach, we just want a winner.

Not to say that their is a very small portion of people who may actually want a white coach or black coach for that matter, which is exactly what these talking heads are asking for!

Gotcha.

It was bad for the evil dastardly GOV to say little black kids could go to school with white kids. Jayson Tatum and Kemba Walker should still have to ask Payton Pritchard to pick up takeout for him from the Whites Only restaurant.

WolvesFan21 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

FNG wrote:I would describe myself as a political moderate...leaning more left on most social issues. In my business career I have worked to ensure some level of diversity in my office, because I think it is the right thing to do for many reasons. I offer this as a preamble to stating my outrage at the National Basketball Coaches Association, led by Rick Carlyle and David Vogel, criticizing the process by which the Wolves hired David Finch. They said in a statement "it would be remiss not to acknowledge a deeper concern and level of disappointment with the Minnesota head coach hiring process". They went on to criticize the fact that minority candidates were not considered properly in the process.

Did the NBCA take the time to consider that the guy who made the hire is himself a minority, and that minorities are strongly represented in the coaching staff and throughout the organization? Perhaps Carlyle should be taking a shot at his own owner for hiring lily white Donn Nelson as their POBO.

I will say that at least Carlyle practices what he preaches, because he has one of the most diverse coaching staffs in the league. But to criticize a POBO who is a minority for not properly considering minorities in his search (if he indeed didn't...we don't really know who he talked with besides Finch), is an absurdity beyond measure. I'm not disputing the validity of Carlyle's mission...I'm just saying it doesn't apply in this instance.

This was the stupidest story over the last few days. I usual agree with the systematic racism we see in most businesses. This one is dumb, Rosas is Columbian, our 2nd in command is Indian, 3rd in command is Italian. The Wolves have an African American and Argintine on the wolves coaching staff.

I agree there should be more African Americans in higher NBA power but to do after the Wolves when they might have the most diverse power structure in sports not just the NBA!

I hate this loaded race argument. Give me the best person for the job irregardless of race or gender. At what point does it become a racist persecution of white people? It makes sense that there have been more white coaches than minorities, as white people have held the majority population for a long time. That will change. Just let it happen organically, otherwise it will become more divided.

You do not fight for rights only to turn around for retribution.

Well the majority in the NBA has been black for quite a while now and yet there is still a minority in terms of coaching so I think that's a fair issue to consider. What other issues are you willing to let work themselves out organically?

I think intervention is a bad thing in most forms. Not to get off topic but GOV intervenes in everything it can and all we do is get worse results for humanity.

The free market is the best solution.

I think it is also offensive to say all the owners and POB's and GM's in sports are racist at least subconsciously. That they cannot distinguish between coaching ability and the color of someones skin. The other offense is that the fans may want a white coach, we just want a winner.

Not to say that their is a very small portion of people who may actually want a white coach or black coach for that matter, which is exactly what these talking heads are asking for!

Gotcha.

It was bad for the evil dastardly GOV to say little black kids could go to school with white kids. Jayson Tatum and Kemba Walker should still have to ask Payton Pritchard to pick up takeout for him from the Whites Only restaurant.

GOV also supported segregation as well along with slavery. You can't have it both ways.

monsterpile wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

FNG wrote:I would describe myself as a political moderate...leaning more left on most social issues. In my business career I have worked to ensure some level of diversity in my office, because I think it is the right thing to do for many reasons. I offer this as a preamble to stating my outrage at the National Basketball Coaches Association, led by Rick Carlyle and David Vogel, criticizing the process by which the Wolves hired David Finch. They said in a statement "it would be remiss not to acknowledge a deeper concern and level of disappointment with the Minnesota head coach hiring process". They went on to criticize the fact that minority candidates were not considered properly in the process.

Did the NBCA take the time to consider that the guy who made the hire is himself a minority, and that minorities are strongly represented in the coaching staff and throughout the organization? Perhaps Carlyle should be taking a shot at his own owner for hiring lily white Donn Nelson as their POBO.

I will say that at least Carlyle practices what he preaches, because he has one of the most diverse coaching staffs in the league. But to criticize a POBO who is a minority for not properly considering minorities in his search (if he indeed didn't...we don't really know who he talked with besides Finch), is an absurdity beyond measure. I'm not disputing the validity of Carlyle's mission...I'm just saying it doesn't apply in this instance.

This was the stupidest story over the last few days. I usual agree with the systematic racism we see in most businesses. This one is dumb, Rosas is Columbian, our 2nd in command is Indian, 3rd in command is Italian. The Wolves have an African American and Argintine on the wolves coaching staff.

I agree there should be more African Americans in higher NBA power but to do after the Wolves when they might have the most diverse power structure in sports not just the NBA!

I hate this loaded race argument. Give me the best person for the job irregardless of race or gender. At what point does it become a racist persecution of white people? It makes sense that there have been more white coaches than minorities, as white people have held the majority population for a long time. That will change. Just let it happen organically, otherwise it will become more divided.

You do not fight for rights only to turn around for retribution.

Well the majority in the NBA has been black for quite a while now and yet there is still a minority in terms of coaching so I think that's a fair issue to consider. What other issues are you willing to let work themselves out organically?

I think intervention is a bad thing in most forms. Not to get off topic but GOV intervenes in everything it can and all we do is get worse results for humanity.

The free market is the best solution.

I think it is also offensive to say all the owners and POB's and GM's in sports are racist at least subconsciously. That they cannot distinguish between coaching ability and the color of someones skin. The other offense is that the fans may want a white coach, we just want a winner.

Not to say that their is a very small portion of people who may actually want a white coach or black coach for that matter, which is exactly what these talking heads are asking for!

Gotcha.

It was bad for the evil dastardly GOV to say little black kids could go to school with white kids. Jayson Tatum and Kemba Walker should still have to ask Payton Pritchard to pick up takeout for him from the Whites Only restaurant.

GOV also supported segregation as well along with slavery. You can't have it both ways.

Aren't you afraid of people that now have power and wealth because of the free market? Can't have it both ways.

monsterpile wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

FNG wrote:I would describe myself as a political moderate...leaning more left on most social issues. In my business career I have worked to ensure some level of diversity in my office, because I think it is the right thing to do for many reasons. I offer this as a preamble to stating my outrage at the National Basketball Coaches Association, led by Rick Carlyle and David Vogel, criticizing the process by which the Wolves hired David Finch. They said in a statement "it would be remiss not to acknowledge a deeper concern and level of disappointment with the Minnesota head coach hiring process". They went on to criticize the fact that minority candidates were not considered properly in the process.

Did the NBCA take the time to consider that the guy who made the hire is himself a minority, and that minorities are strongly represented in the coaching staff and throughout the organization? Perhaps Carlyle should be taking a shot at his own owner for hiring lily white Donn Nelson as their POBO.

I will say that at least Carlyle practices what he preaches, because he has one of the most diverse coaching staffs in the league. But to criticize a POBO who is a minority for not properly considering minorities in his search (if he indeed didn't...we don't really know who he talked with besides Finch), is an absurdity beyond measure. I'm not disputing the validity of Carlyle's mission...I'm just saying it doesn't apply in this instance.

This was the stupidest story over the last few days. I usual agree with the systematic racism we see in most businesses. This one is dumb, Rosas is Columbian, our 2nd in command is Indian, 3rd in command is Italian. The Wolves have an African American and Argintine on the wolves coaching staff.

I agree there should be more African Americans in higher NBA power but to do after the Wolves when they might have the most diverse power structure in sports not just the NBA!

I hate this loaded race argument. Give me the best person for the job irregardless of race or gender. At what point does it become a racist persecution of white people? It makes sense that there have been more white coaches than minorities, as white people have held the majority population for a long time. That will change. Just let it happen organically, otherwise it will become more divided.

You do not fight for rights only to turn around for retribution.

Well the majority in the NBA has been black for quite a while now and yet there is still a minority in terms of coaching so I think that's a fair issue to consider. What other issues are you willing to let work themselves out organically?

I think intervention is a bad thing in most forms. Not to get off topic but GOV intervenes in everything it can and all we do is get worse results for humanity.

The free market is the best solution.

I think it is also offensive to say all the owners and POB's and GM's in sports are racist at least subconsciously. That they cannot distinguish between coaching ability and the color of someones skin. The other offense is that the fans may want a white coach, we just want a winner.

Not to say that their is a very small portion of people who may actually want a white coach or black coach for that matter, which is exactly what these talking heads are asking for!

Gotcha.

It was bad for the evil dastardly GOV to say little black kids could go to school with white kids. Jayson Tatum and Kemba Walker should still have to ask Payton Pritchard to pick up takeout for him from the Whites Only restaurant.

GOV also supported segregation as well along with slavery. You can't have it both ways.

Aren't you afraid of people that now have power and wealth because of the free market? Can't have it both ways.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:When you look at the number of white coaches employed vs the number of african Americans, the law of averages tells you there must be an awful lot of good black coaching candidates out there. I think you would be foolish not to look at the best of them for your job. If the 20th best white coach has a job, the 11th best black coach certainly deserves a look.

WolvesFan21 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:When you look at the number of white coaches employed vs the number of african Americans, the law of averages tells you there must be an awful lot of good black coaching candidates out there. I think you would be foolish not to look at the best of them for your job. If the 20th best white coach has a job, the 11th best black coach certainly deserves a look.

There are likely way more white head coaches and candidates in the lower levels though as well, along with assistants. High School, NCAA, other Pro leagues around the world. You don't have to be a former NBA player to become an NBA coach, you can and many do work their way up through smaller positions. A guy like Spoelstra, He started out doing video coordination for them in 1995. I looked it up and he was a player-assistant coach for some German second division basketball team prior.

If you look at the big picture I would say the ratio is likely right in line. In fact I would say most ex NBA players are not looking at becoming a HC nor are willing to put in the hours to do so. They are not as financially motivated to succeed at the position as others who worked menial jobs. They are more unlikely to take a small position and put in the time to work their way up.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:When you look at the number of white coaches employed vs the number of african Americans, the law of averages tells you there must be an awful lot of good black coaching candidates out there. I think you would be foolish not to look at the best of them for your job. If the 20th best white coach has a job, the 11th best black coach certainly deserves a look.

There are likely way more white head coaches and candidates in the lower levels though as well, along with assistants. High School, NCAA, other Pro leagues around the world. You don't have to be a former NBA player to become an NBA coach, you can and many do work their way up through smaller positions. A guy like Spoelstra, He started out doing video coordination for them in 1995. I looked it up and he was a player-assistant coach for some German second division basketball team prior.

If you look at the big picture I would say the ratio is likely right in line. In fact I would say most ex NBA players are not looking at becoming a HC nor are willing to put in the hours to do so. They are not as financially motivated to succeed at the position as others who worked menial jobs. They are more unlikely to take a small position and put in the time to work their way up.

- There are about 35 white Americans in the NBA.
- There are about 300 black Americans in the NBA.

There are 6 white former NBA players coaching.
There are 3 black former NBA players coaching.

Now granted, just because you're a player doesn't make you a good coach. And I don't know if there are more white former players who are assistant coaches putting in their time than black former players as assistant coaches putting in their time. We'd need those numbers to see just how relevant this is.

But I have seen a stat from a few years ago that shows that about 40% of NBA assistant coaches are black. I'm unsure how many of those are former NBA players.



[Note: Technically, Nash is a Canadian or South African... but I included him.]