1) I think both guys would make this team better.
2) Both have imminently movable contracts. $13M for Kuzma, $14M expiring for Caldwell-Pope)
monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I dig the Washington angle.
1) I think both guys would make this team better.
2) Both have imminently movable contracts. $13M for Kuzma, $14M expiring for Caldwell-Pope)
I think it's the least objectionable option especially in terms of salary. I personally don't think Washington would do this deal. Good point about Kuzma and KCP being moveable players. KCP would be a nice trade chip to make another deal.
Agreed. No chance Washington does the deal.
I disagree. I think Washington would do that deal in a heartbeat. They desperately need a good PG and they have a closing window of opportunity with Beal. Pairing DLO with Beal, Porzingis and there other guys would be a significant boost for a team that didn't miss the playoffs by much this past season. DLO is a very good PG who is still only 26 years old. He'll be in a contract year, which should bring out the best in him.
I think you could make it work even with Lip's move from #19 to #10 might have to add a Naz, Nowell, Bolmaro or leave off KCP to make it work but I feel MN has the assets to make such a trade possible. Kuzma about as good a defender as V8? I know he has way more of an offensive game but slightly less of a rebounder. I kinda question the Kuzma fit or how it's much of an upgrade over V8?
Kuzma had a nice season in Washington offensively and he rebounded the ball better than ever but my guess is he actually played PF most of the time. Vanderbilt is likely a much better defender but Kuzma is the better offensive player who has some of the skill set of a SF. Basically he would sort of compliment Vanderbilt and give the Wolves another big SF option. One of the questions with Kuzma is whether he will actually be able to make 3's.
lipoli390 wrote:Because of the rule that a team can't trade a 1st-round pick two years in a row, they can't trade any of their 1st-round picks before 2027. If you're looking for three unprotected first-round picks, it would at best have to be their 2027, 2029 and 2031 picks. The Wolves might be in Nashville by then. :)
So you can't trade for 2023 (Pelicans retain swap rights), 2025 (You get 2024 if Pelicans swap for the 2025 pick), 2027
I would think that would be allowed but I am not familiar with the nuances.
Theoretically if the Wolves actually got 3 first round picks for taking on Westbrook (won't happen the Lakers aren't that stupid) I would be fine with just waiving the guy. I think brining Westbrook here would not be a good idea. Maybe in this dream scenario we can trade him back to Houston for John Wall. Lol
The current version of the Lakers needs guards that can shoot and what are they saving draft picks for? Are they are gonna just waste another year of Lebron James and then rebuild or go after a championship? Maybe they make us kick in some 2nd's or something but I feel it's extremely possible that LA would go all in right now.
The Lakers refrained from attaching a single future first-round pick to Russell Westbrook for John Wall last season when they were arguably the most desperate they've been in a while. They are not going to trade multiple future firsts, especially ones that extend almost a decade into the future, unless there's a big fish on the line-- one much bigger than D'Angelo Russell. That idea has less than one-percent chance of happening for both sides.
Camden wrote:The Lakers refrained from attaching a single future first-round pick to Russell Westbrook for John Wall last season when they were arguably the most desperate they've been in a while. They are not going to trade multiple future firsts, especially ones that extend almost a decade into the future, unless there's a big fish on the line-- one much bigger than D'Angelo Russell. That idea has less than one-percent chance of happening for both sides.
I wouldn't trust J. Wall to shoot the ball which is what they need to put around James & Davis. DLO & Beasley and getting rid of R. Westbrook maybe toss in some 2nds if that's not worth three 1sts then obviously I wouldn't do it. I think it fixes the Lakers and they might be more willing to do it than you think. You are way more dialed in on reasonable trade scenarios though, so I'll default to your judgement and drop my get the Lakers picks dream.
Anyone debating whether DLO should be traded should read this article. It reinforces my view that the notion we should move on from DLO is mistaken. There are certainly reasons to explore trading him from a longer-term perspective. But there is no question that the Wolves would be losing a lot if they were to lose DLO. I'm not a DLO fan, but that's a fact. He was the starting PG for a Wolves team that won't 46 games and made the playoffs for only the second time in 18 years. His on-off numbers speak for themselves. He was clearly a key to the Wolves regular season success this season, and without his play in the 4th quarter of the play-in game versus the Clippers, the Wolves would not have made the playoffs. Moreover, his friendship with Town, while not a decisive factor in my view, is nonetheless a factor to be considered.
Ultimately and obviously, whether the Wolves should trade DLO depends on what they would get in return. Regarding what they'd get in return, it's important to recognize that DLO is not a tainted asset that other teams want to avoid. He's a talented, productive 26-year old staring PG, a former 2nd pick in the NBA draft, who a number of other teams would likely love to have. His expiring contract adds another dimension of value to many teams, especially a team like the Wizards that is taking it year to year in their effort to win now with Beal in the fold before pivoting abruptly and entering full rebuild mode. DLO is a player who can help them win next season with Beal. He's also a contract they can move on from after next season to clear the way for rebuilding if they don't win next season. There are other teams like the Knicks, Clippers, Lakers, Magic who would likely be interested in having DLO on their rosters.
Anyone debating whether DLO should be traded should read this article. It reinforces my view that the notion we should move on from DLO is mistaken. There are certainly reasons to explore trading him from a longer-term perspective. But there is no question that the Wolves would be losing a lot if they were to lose DLO. I'm not a DLO fan, but that's a fact. He was the starting PG for a Wolves team that won't 46 games and made the playoffs for only the second time in 18 years. His on-off numbers speak for themselves. He was clearly a key to the Wolves regular season success this season, and without his play in the 4th quarter of the play-in game versus the Clippers, the Wolves would not have made the playoffs. Moreover, his friendship with Town, while not a decisive factor in my view, is nonetheless a factor to be considered.
Ultimately and obviously, whether the Wolves should trade DLO depends on what they would get in return. Regarding what they'd get in return, it's important to recognize that DLO is not a tainted asset that other teams want to avoid. He's a talented, productive 26-year old staring PG, a former 2nd pick in the NBA draft, who a number of other teams would likely love to have. His expiring contract adds another dimension of value to many teams, especially a team like the Wizards that is taking it year to year in their effort to win now with Beal in the fold before pivoting abruptly and entering full rebuild mode. DLO is a player who can help them win next season with Beal. He's also a contract they can move on from after next season to clear the way for rebuilding if they don't win next season. There are other teams like the Knicks, Clippers, Lakers, Magic who would likely be interested in having DLO on their rosters.
It definitely depends on what is being offered for him, because of his hot and cold nature I see him as more of a 6th man of the year type. When he's on he can out score all but the best of them. I think it really boils down to his on ball defense, stalling hero ball in crucial moments and would you rather have the ball in ANT's hands in most of those situations?
The majority of the hero ball should be able to be coached out of DLO. His on ball defense is likely at it's peak based on his age and if you put the ball in ANT's hands I'm sure you see flaws in his game as well. DLO definitely is not a max player to me. I've always valued defense more and think you have plenty of scoring options on the team, those are the main reasons I would like them to find a good trade. The other part is I feel like if we don't trade him we are likely to overpay him with an extension and that could hurt the team construct in future years where I think we are more capable of contending for a title.
I would never advocate a fire sale on DLO, as he is not someone we should be desperately trying to move at any cost. But I think this franchise needs to consider him outside of their core building blocks, which means they should either a) move him for a decent return now, or b) keep him for now on an expiring deal. I'm just not comfortable signing him to a contract that might be difficult to trade, especially if he regresses next season.
If we do hold onto him, he has got to become the third option in that starting lineup - and I mean a distant third. Get that usage closer to 20% and start playing off the ball more. He simply isn't efficient enough to be taking as many shots as he normally does. And because he can't break down guys off the bounce, he has to rely on really difficult pull up 3s and leaning mid-rangers. It's great he has those in the tool bag when the shot clock is running down, but those simply aren't good shots under normal circumstances.
Q-was-here wrote:I would never advocate a fire sale on DLO, as he is not someone we should be desperately trying to move at any cost. But I think this franchise needs to consider him outside of their core building blocks, which means they should either a) move him for a decent return now, or b) keep him for now on an expiring deal. I'm just not comfortable signing him to a contract that might be difficult to trade, especially if he regresses next season.
If we do hold onto him, he has got to become the third option in that starting lineup - and I mean a distant third. Get that usage closer to 20% and start playing off the ball more. He simply isn't efficient enough to be taking as many shots as he normally does. And because he can't break down guys off the bounce, he has to rely on really difficult pull up 3s and leaning mid-rangers. It's great he has those in the tool bag when the shot clock is running down, but those simply aren't good shots under normal circumstances.
Q - I could see DLO as part of our long-term core, but only on a tradable contract - which was essentially a point you and TU both made. In other words, I wouldn't re-sign DLO to anything over his market value. To that end, if we keep him this season I wouldn't extend him now. Instead, I'd play out the season with him and let him test the free agent waters. If there's a team out there willing to give him a max deal I'd let him walk. Otherwise, the Wolves might be able to re-sign him next summer for a reasonable contract. And that takes us back to your point about trading him now if they can get a good return. I see the merit in that. My main point is that I wouldn't sell low on him. I'd hold out for a really good return and, failing to get an offer that's up to snuff, I'd be happy to hang onto him for the season and see where we're at when the February trade deadline comes or next summer.
Q-was-here wrote:I would never advocate a fire sale on DLO, as he is not someone we should be desperately trying to move at any cost. But I think this franchise needs to consider him outside of their core building blocks, which means they should either a) move him for a decent return now, or b) keep him for now on an expiring deal. I'm just not comfortable signing him to a contract that might be difficult to trade, especially if he regresses next season.
If we do hold onto him, he has got to become the third option in that starting lineup - and I mean a distant third. Get that usage closer to 20% and start playing off the ball more. He simply isn't efficient enough to be taking as many shots as he normally does. And because he can't break down guys off the bounce, he has to rely on really difficult pull up 3s and leaning mid-rangers. It's great he has those in the tool bag when the shot clock is running down, but those simply aren't good shots under normal circumstances.
I think one thing to consider is that Edwards having someone as a perimeter player next to him that does take up some decent usage may be a positive for another year or so because I think him not having to always be the guy on offense may help him on the other end both physically and mentally. Some day we can hope and expect he ascends to the level where he can do both but I do think we need another perimeter player whether it's a wing or guy that guards Pg that handles the ball a decent amount at least as much as a guy like Smart in Boston.
Need I remind you about the head idiot theory? Unless Rosas ends up somewhere he can trade for DLO, don't expect to get much of anything for him. The benefit to getting rid of him will be the cap space.
