Would you do Beasley for Collins

[kekgeek]

Finch said today Dlo is back in Minnesota and could do on court stuff this weekend

I'm mixed on this news. I'm surprised and delighted that DLO is ready for on court stuff...isn't that way ahead of schedule?

On the other hand where the fuck was he the past 7 days while Finch was putting his mark on this team and laying out his offensive and defensive systems. Don't you think that it might have been important for DLO to be there? I'm confused because until today I assumed he was with the team during these critical days. I hope we find out a good reason for his absence, other than the usual NBA prima donna crap, but I suspect we won't.

He might of been. He just said he was in Minnesota, not that he got there today. Also I think they have had days off. I believe Monday was their 1st practice

OK, that would be better. Somebody had posted earlier that he was "unhappy" and had decided to rehab in Miami instead of being with the team, but perhaps that was fake news. A lot of information being thrown out in this thread, so it's difficult to keep it all straight. If the news that he is ready for on court activities this weekend is true, that would be very good news.

For the Wolves or our opponents?

:thumb: :LOL:

It's true we want to lose and Dlo has the best winning % on the team. Who wants that guy back :)

[kekgeek]

It's crazy to me how much people think it should cost to trade for the right to overpay John Collins. Like mentioned before, he has been on the block for a while with no takers. If we are dealing edwards or any first thats not well protected through the lottery we are nuts.

Sadly I feel we are bidding against ourselves like usual. Nobody is willing to give much when Atlanta is clearly not going to resign him. A max Collins deal will age terribly. Also this is a guards league. This has disaster written all over it.

Exactly. If we could give up our crap contracts and 2nd and only have to play him 20 mil a year, I'd say great. Otherwise no thanks. We have one thing on this team... a good offensive big... everything else sucks. So let's go overpay for good offensive big lol

I will say a big reason why the Hawks want to trade Collins is him and Trae Young do not get along. They are going to pick Trae over Collins.

[FNG]

It's crazy to me how much people think it should cost to trade for the right to overpay John Collins. Like mentioned before, he has been on the block for a while with no takers. If we are dealing edwards or any first thats not well protected through the lottery we are nuts.

Sadly I feel we are bidding against ourselves like usual. Nobody is willing to give much when Atlanta is clearly not going to resign him. A max Collins deal will age terribly. Also this is a guards league. This has disaster written all over it.

Crazy, by "no takers" I assume you are saying we don't know of any offers for Collins, and that's true. But there have been multiple reports about teams interested in him, and that's not surprising. He is a 23-year-old guy with great stats who continues to get better...especially on defense. Look at his numbers the past 65 games (almost a full season). 20.4 PPG, 9.3 RPG, and 1.3 BPG. He has an impressive true shooting percentage of 65.5% and is making over 40% of his threes. Those are KAT-like numbers, and as an improving 23-year-old already putting up big numbers, it's easy to see him deserving a max contract. This is not a Juancho situation where it appears we might have been bidding against ourselves. Collins is the real deal. He's going to get a max deal...the only question is with whom.

[KG4Ever]

Finch said today Dlo is back in Minnesota and could do on court stuff this weekend

I'm mixed on this news. I'm surprised and delighted that DLO is ready for on court stuff...isn't that way ahead of schedule?

On the other hand where the fuck was he the past 7 days while Finch was putting his mark on this team and laying out his offensive and defensive systems. Don't you think that it might have been important for DLO to be there? I'm confused because until today I assumed he was with the team during these critical days. I hope we find out a good reason for his absence, other than the usual NBA prima donna crap, but I suspect we won't.

He might of been. He just said he was in Minnesota, not that he got there today. Also I think they have had days off. I believe Monday was their 1st practice

OK, that would be better. Somebody had posted earlier that he was "unhappy" and had decided to rehab in Miami instead of being with the team, but perhaps that was fake news. A lot of information being thrown out in this thread, so it's difficult to keep it all straight. If the news that he is ready for on court activities this weekend is true, that would be very good news.

For the Wolves or our opponents?

:thumb: :LOL:

It's true we want to lose and Dlo has the best winning % on the team. Who wants that guy back :)

DLO has the worst plus minus on the team by a wide margin. Not even Edwards is that bad.

[FNG]

Finch said today Dlo is back in Minnesota and could do on court stuff this weekend

I'm mixed on this news. I'm surprised and delighted that DLO is ready for on court stuff...isn't that way ahead of schedule?

On the other hand where the fuck was he the past 7 days while Finch was putting his mark on this team and laying out his offensive and defensive systems. Don't you think that it might have been important for DLO to be there? I'm confused because until today I assumed he was with the team during these critical days. I hope we find out a good reason for his absence, other than the usual NBA prima donna crap, but I suspect we won't.

He might of been. He just said he was in Minnesota, not that he got there today. Also I think they have had days off. I believe Monday was their 1st practice

OK, that would be better. Somebody had posted earlier that he was "unhappy" and had decided to rehab in Miami instead of being with the team, but perhaps that was fake news. A lot of information being thrown out in this thread, so it's difficult to keep it all straight. If the news that he is ready for on court activities this weekend is true, that would be very good news.

For the Wolves or our opponents?

:thumb: :LOL:

It's true we want to lose and Dlo has the best winning % on the team. Who wants that guy back :)

DLO has the worst plus minus on the team by a wide margin. Not even Edwards is that bad.

KG, go to your room...we do NOT mention plus/minus in this forum. It's an irrelevant stat designed to make Gersson Rosas and one-way players like DLO look bad, and only meaningful if you value scoring more points than your opponent...something that is not a high priority with our Minnesota Timberwolves. You can come out of time out after you have apologized to the board, and offered up a more relevant stat like points per game.

[kekgeek]

Finch said today Dlo is back in Minnesota and could do on court stuff this weekend

I'm mixed on this news. I'm surprised and delighted that DLO is ready for on court stuff...isn't that way ahead of schedule?

On the other hand where the fuck was he the past 7 days while Finch was putting his mark on this team and laying out his offensive and defensive systems. Don't you think that it might have been important for DLO to be there? I'm confused because until today I assumed he was with the team during these critical days. I hope we find out a good reason for his absence, other than the usual NBA prima donna crap, but I suspect we won't.

He might of been. He just said he was in Minnesota, not that he got there today. Also I think they have had days off. I believe Monday was their 1st practice

OK, that would be better. Somebody had posted earlier that he was "unhappy" and had decided to rehab in Miami instead of being with the team, but perhaps that was fake news. A lot of information being thrown out in this thread, so it's difficult to keep it all straight. If the news that he is ready for on court activities this weekend is true, that would be very good news.

For the Wolves or our opponents?

:thumb: :LOL:

It's true we want to lose and Dlo has the best winning % on the team. Who wants that guy back :)

DLO has the worst plus minus on the team by a wide margin. Not even Edwards is that bad.

KG, go to your room...we do NOT mention plus/minus in this forum. It's an irrelevant stat designed to make Gersson Rosas and one-way players like DLO look bad, and only meaningful if you value scoring more points than your opponent...something that is not a high priority with our Minnesota Timberwolves. You can come out of time out after you have apologized to the board, and offered up a more relevant stat like points per game.

Hahaha! That was a good one FNG. I do think it's interesting though even on your +/- stat rips Dlo, as it should he was positive with the Nets and he was apart of a top quarter D in the NBA. So it is possible to build an above average D around Dlo.

I will continue to say I think the Wolves have a lot bigger problems then Dlo, I don't know how much Dlo will help to the end goal but damn I want to see him and Kat play together. Kat is 4-31 in his last 35. 2-3 with Dlo, 2-28 without Dlo. Albeit its not a good winning % Dlo has the best on the roster. I just want to see our max players play together.

[FNG]

Finch said today Dlo is back in Minnesota and could do on court stuff this weekend

I'm mixed on this news. I'm surprised and delighted that DLO is ready for on court stuff...isn't that way ahead of schedule?

On the other hand where the fuck was he the past 7 days while Finch was putting his mark on this team and laying out his offensive and defensive systems. Don't you think that it might have been important for DLO to be there? I'm confused because until today I assumed he was with the team during these critical days. I hope we find out a good reason for his absence, other than the usual NBA prima donna crap, but I suspect we won't.

He might of been. He just said he was in Minnesota, not that he got there today. Also I think they have had days off. I believe Monday was their 1st practice

OK, that would be better. Somebody had posted earlier that he was "unhappy" and had decided to rehab in Miami instead of being with the team, but perhaps that was fake news. A lot of information being thrown out in this thread, so it's difficult to keep it all straight. If the news that he is ready for on court activities this weekend is true, that would be very good news.

For the Wolves or our opponents?

:thumb: :LOL:

It's true we want to lose and Dlo has the best winning % on the team. Who wants that guy back :)

DLO has the worst plus minus on the team by a wide margin. Not even Edwards is that bad.

KG, go to your room...we do NOT mention plus/minus in this forum. It's an irrelevant stat designed to make Gersson Rosas and one-way players like DLO look bad, and only meaningful if you value scoring more points than your opponent...something that is not a high priority with our Minnesota Timberwolves. You can come out of time out after you have apologized to the board, and offered up a more relevant stat like points per game.

Hahaha! That was a good one FNG. I do think it's interesting though even on your +/- stat rips Dlo, as it should he was positive with the Nets and he was apart of a top quarter D in the NBA. So it is possible to build an above average D around Dlo.

I will continue to say I think the Wolves have a lot bigger problems then Dlo, I don't know how much Dlo will help to the end goal but damn I want to see him and Kat play together. Kat is 4-31 in his last 35. 2-3 with Dlo, 2-28 without Dlo. Albeit its not a good winning % Dlo has the best on the roster. I just want to see our max players play together.

I enjoy the mostly good-natured needling on this board, kek...you have a talent for it :) ...along with a lot of good and differing opinions and stats. Makes for an entertaining board.

I'm also holding out some hope for some success from the KAT/DLO combo, if it ever actually happens. I think my hope might be due to my undue optimism when it comes to the Wolves though, rather than a totally objective view. If I take off my rose-colored glasses, my hopes about being successful with KAT/DLO as our max players is unfortunately closer to Cool's view.

I'm not sure I'm seeing the same on/off data with respect to DLO with the Nets that you are seeing...maybe a pure +/- is quite different from on/off numbers. I prefer the Cleaning the Glass on/off data when analyzing a player's impact on his team. While DLO didn't rank dead last in on/off and expected wins like he does on the Wolves this year, he still wasn't very good in his all star year. The Nets scored one point less per 100 possessions when DLO was on the court, and gave up a team-worst 3.9 per 100 when he was on. Overall, DLO ranked 11th on the team in point differential and expected wins (-4.8 points and -11 wins)...actually one of his better seasons, but obviously not very good. Only 2nd year guy Caris Lavert in the midst of a poor season was worse by these measures. In contrast DeMarre Carroll, a guy many of us would have loved to have had on our team, was a +6.6 points and +16 wins. Also, famously Kenny Atkinson was not shy about benching DLO in 4th quarters when he thought the defensive effort wasn't there and he was trying to protect a lead.

We could use a little more Atkinson-like accountability here...maybe we'll get it from Finch.

[Monster]

Finch said today Dlo is back in Minnesota and could do on court stuff this weekend

I'm mixed on this news. I'm surprised and delighted that DLO is ready for on court stuff...isn't that way ahead of schedule?

On the other hand where the fuck was he the past 7 days while Finch was putting his mark on this team and laying out his offensive and defensive systems. Don't you think that it might have been important for DLO to be there? I'm confused because until today I assumed he was with the team during these critical days. I hope we find out a good reason for his absence, other than the usual NBA prima donna crap, but I suspect we won't.

He might of been. He just said he was in Minnesota, not that he got there today. Also I think they have had days off. I believe Monday was their 1st practice

OK, that would be better. Somebody had posted earlier that he was "unhappy" and had decided to rehab in Miami instead of being with the team, but perhaps that was fake news. A lot of information being thrown out in this thread, so it's difficult to keep it all straight. If the news that he is ready for on court activities this weekend is true, that would be very good news.

For the Wolves or our opponents?

:thumb: :LOL:

It's true we want to lose and Dlo has the best winning % on the team. Who wants that guy back :)

DLO has the worst plus minus on the team by a wide margin. Not even Edwards is that bad.

KG, go to your room...we do NOT mention plus/minus in this forum. It's an irrelevant stat designed to make Gersson Rosas and one-way players like DLO look bad, and only meaningful if you value scoring more points than your opponent...something that is not a high priority with our Minnesota Timberwolves. You can come out of time out after you have apologized to the board, and offered up a more relevant stat like points per game.

Hahaha! That was a good one FNG. I do think it's interesting though even on your +/- stat rips Dlo, as it should he was positive with the Nets and he was apart of a top quarter D in the NBA. So it is possible to build an above average D around Dlo.

I will continue to say I think the Wolves have a lot bigger problems then Dlo, I don't know how much Dlo will help to the end goal but damn I want to see him and Kat play together. Kat is 4-31 in his last 35. 2-3 with Dlo, 2-28 without Dlo. Albeit its not a good winning % Dlo has the best on the roster. I just want to see our max players play together.

I enjoy the mostly good-natured needling on this board, kek...you have a talent for it :) ...along with a lot of good and differing opinions and stats. Makes for an entertaining board.

I'm also holding out some hope for some success from the KAT/DLO combo, if it ever actually happens. I think my hope might be due to my undue optimism when it comes to the Wolves though, rather than a totally objective view. If I take off my rose-colored glasses, my hopes about being successful with KAT/DLO as our max players is unfortunately closer to Cool's view.

I'm not sure I'm seeing the same on/off data with respect to DLO with the Nets that you are seeing...maybe a pure +/- is quite different from on/off numbers. I prefer the Cleaning the Glass on/off data when analyzing a player's impact on his team. While DLO didn't rank dead last in on/off and expected wins like he does on the Wolves this year, he still wasn't very good in his all star year. The Nets scored one point less per 100 possessions when DLO was on the court, and gave up a team-worst 3.9 per 100 when he was on. Overall, DLO ranked 11th on the team in point differential and expected wins (-4.8 points and -11 wins)...actually one of his better seasons, but obviously not very good. Only 2nd year guy Caris Lavert in the midst of a poor season was worse by these measures. In contrast DeMarre Carroll, a guy many of us would have loved to have had on our team, was a +6.6 points and +16 wins. Also, famously Kenny Atkinson was not shy about benching DLO in 4th quarters when he thought the defensive effort wasn't there and he was trying to protect a lead.

We could use a little more Atkinson-like accountability here...maybe we'll get it from Finch.

Again...Russell led that Nets team in games and minutes played. So they won more games than they lost in spite of him? Russell and Joe Harris were the only 2 players to average over 30mpg that season.

[FNG]

Thanks for correcting me, monster...I was incorrectly quoting from D'Angelo's previous season. which I'm sure everyone would agree was a disaster. Now I see why kek referred to that one good season. I would agree he was the Nets best player in 2018-9. While the offense was not as good when he was on the floor compared to off, the Nets actually gave up 3.9 FEWER points per 100 possessions when he was on the court...certainly an aberration in his 6-year career as he actually was a positive 1.4 points per 100 possessions overall.

Maybe if we want to cling to a small ray of hope, it would be that 2018-9 season when he was actually a positive player... albeit by the smallest of margins. An optimist can say if he can do it one year, he can do it again. The fact that he hasn't had positive numbers his other five years might be a counterargument.

But we'll always have Paris. And we'll always have 2018-19...

[AbeVigodaLive]

Thanks for correcting me, monster...I was incorrectly quoting from D'Angelo's previous season. which I'm sure everyone would agree was a disaster. Now I see why kek referred to that one good season. I would agree he was the Nets best player in 2018-9. While the offense was not as good when he was on the floor compared to off, the Nets actually gave up 3.9 FEWER points per 100 possessions when he was on the court...certainly an aberration in his 6-year career as he actually was a positive 1.4 points per 100 possessions overall.

Maybe if we want to cling to a small ray of hope, it would be that 2018-9 season when he was actually a positive player... albeit by the smallest of margins. An optimist can say if he can do it one year, he can do it again. The fact that he hasn't had positive numbers his other five years might be a counterargument.

But we'll always have Paris. And we'll always have 2018-19...

Don't worry. You can always just bring up the 2019 playoffs if you want to get back on track...