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lipoli390 wrote:

60WinTim wrote:Lip - so assuming your assessment is spot on, how do see this playing out over the next week or two?

Does Glen have a drop-dead date for a trade to be consummated? Is Thibs gone no matter what, but is merely being retained to complete the Butler trade?

The pure insubordination claim would suggest we are coming to head very soon...

Great questions, Tim.

1. Drop-dead date? I suspect Glen has told Thibodeau and Layden that a deal needs to be done before the season opener, but that he'd prefer it be done sooner. Then again, Glen may have simply said to get it done ASAP without any firm specific deadline. Glen's first order of business was to get Thibodeau and Layden to actually take calls and indicate an openness to trade Butler. That's what's so weird about this.

2. Is Thibs being retained only to complete the Butler trade? Perhaps. I've been asking my self the same question, but it's so hard to know with Glen. As we all know, Glen is famous for being slow to fire executives he hires. I think there are three possibilities: (a) he fires Thibs from both positions as soon as the Butler deal is done; (b) he removes Thibs only from the PBO position when the Butler deal is done, but retains him as head coach; or (c) he keeps him in both positions for the season. My head tells me he'll fire Thibs from both positions as soon as the Butler deal is done. But that may wishful thinking on my part.

As you said, Thibodeau's insubordination, even if not quite as bad as reported, would suggest things coming to a head soon. And even if none of the insubordination reports are true, Thibodeau's screw up with the Butler situation before the trade deman is so bad that I can't see Glen retaining him as PBO much longer.

bleedspeed177 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

60WinTim wrote:Lip - so assuming your assessment is spot on, how do see this playing out over the next week or two?

Does Glen have a drop-dead date for a trade to be consummated? Is Thibs gone no matter what, but is merely being retained to complete the Butler trade?

The pure insubordination claim would suggest we are coming to head very soon...

Great questions, Tim.

1. Drop-dead date? I suspect Glen has told Thibodeau and Layden that a deal needs to be done before the season opener, but that he'd prefer it be done sooner. Then again, Glen may have simply said to get it done ASAP without any firm specific deadline. Glen's first order of business was to get Thibodeau and Layden to actually take calls and indicate an openness to trade Butler. That's what's so weird about this.

2. Is Thibs being retained only to complete the Butler trade? Perhaps. I've been asking my self the same question, but it's so hard to know with Glen. As we all know, Glen is famous for being slow to fire executives he hires. I think there are three possibilities: (a) he fires Thibs from both positions as soon as the Butler deal is done; (b) he removes Thibs only from the PBO position when the Butler deal is done, but retains him as head coach; or (c) he keeps him in both positions for the season. My head tells me he'll fire Thibs from both positions as soon as the Butler deal is done. But that may wishful thinking on my part.

As you said, Thibodeau's insubordination, even if not quite as bad as reported, would suggest things coming to a head soon. And even if none of the insubordination reports are true, Thibodeau's screw up with the Butler situation before the trade deman is so bad that I can't see Glen retaining him as PBO much longer.

Wouldn't it make sense to fire him now and let the new person deal with it?

CoolBreeze44 wrote:If we had an executive in waiting Thibs wouldn't be the PBO today. I think when Thibs goes so does Layden. The coaching part is even more difficult at this time of the year unless you want to elevate an assistant. And I'm not sure if any of our assistants qualify. It's just a bad situation all the way around. As disgusting at it may sound, Glen needs these two bozos right now, and they know it. And that's why a deal isn't getting done. Thibs still holds out hope Butler will eventually agree to join the team. And he's going to keep thinking that until he gets an offer that blows him away or he gets fired. And he won't get fired until Glen can line up an appropriate successor, and that will take time.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:If we had an executive in waiting Thibs wouldn't be the PBO today. I think when Thibs goes so does Layden. The coaching part is even more difficult at this time of the year unless you want to elevate an assistant. And I'm not sure if any of our assistants qualify. It's just a bad situation all the way around. As disgusting at it may sound, Glen needs these two bozos right now, and they know it. And that's why a deal isn't getting done. Thibs still holds out hope Butler will eventually agree to join the team. And he's going to keep thinking that until he gets an offer that blows him away or he gets fired. And he won't get fired until Glen can line up an appropriate successor, and that will take time.

More importantly, what in Taylor's history as owner makes us think he'll be able to find an appropriate successor?