BizarroJerry wrote:Wow, 2-10 from 3's vs. 10-25 for Utah. This is my favorite part of checking the box score since I don't get to watch many games. Amazing how much we get outgunned every game. Keep working that Long 2 offense Sammich!
So you wanted them to shoot 50 threes just to make up the difference in three point scoring? The loss would have been of epic proportions had they done so.
Why do you always fight me on this? This is a season long problem, not just one game
It's a season long problem because they don't have the players who can efficiently shoot three pointers. Three point shooting is to this team what all shooting is to Rubio, both can have the occasional outburst, neither can be counted on. I agree that there are a couple players I would like to see shoot them more, but they aren't losing do to not taking more threes.
Complaining this team as it's currently constructed doesn't shoot enough threes is like complaining JJ Barea doesn't grab enough rebounds.
You and I are usually on the same page, SP. Well, at least as far as mother-in-laws go. But I disagree on your take of our 3-point shooting. We have no idea what our 3-point shooting would look like if we actually ran an offense that placed an emphasis on taking them. How can anyone be consistently decent at something that they do not incorporate on a regular basis? Smitch is doing the players a disservice by not putting them in a position to routinely take 3-point shots.
Now, I suppose an argument can be made there are so many other things the Wolves are working on for both offense and defense that 3-point shooting has taken a back burner for the time being...
You can't make what you don't attempt. The Wolves are losing because of team defense and 3P shooting. They do need to take more threes, and saying the Wolves just don't have the shooters necessary for that doesn't really fly with me. We only take 15.4 threes per game,which is gross, and LaVine's our highest volume at a small 3.0 per game. That's not going to win you many games.
Others that should be letting it fly from long range more:
- Towns
- Muhammad
- Bjelica
- Wiggins (has to improve, but still needs to take them)
- Dieng (corner threes)
We might also use Rudez more. Last night, for example, when the Wolves couldn't score for 8 minutes of game time, why not throw Rudez out there and see if you can make a couple threes. Try to get a natural flow of offense in the game by having a three-point threat on the floor.
SameOldNudityDrew wrote:Wow, Wiggins looked like he wasn't even trying out there. Jogging instead of running--even worse than usual. Losing his guy on D a lot. There was a moment in the 4th quarter where Rubio lost the ball and it was bouncing out of bounds right past Wiggins and all he had to do was reach down and get it and he didn't even make an attempt. No excuse. It was obviously off Rubio. Even stars need to be benched when that happens to send a message. He's just so talented, but he can't have nights like that.
But at the same time, wow, Towns was amazing (so excited for that kid's future), and Dieng has been great for us. Dieng makes some mistakes, but his overall impact is clearly very positive, he's really skilled, and makes hustle plays on both sides of the ball. He clearly needs to be considered part of our core going forward. If we get a big banger who is a legit 5 to go down low with those two, we'll have a great 3 big rotation.
These kids are 20 years old. They are going to have off nights every once in a while. Wiggins has had them before, Zach has had a lot of them, and even Towns has had them. You guys expect these kids to be finished products already and it's just not realistic. After a bad Wiggins performance, and it was bad, you're ready to damn him to a mediocre career. He's been great for the last month and kept us in a lot of games. You have to see the forest through the trees and not overreact to every hiccup along the way.
Wait. What?
The post you quoted doesn't come close to making that prediction (in bold). Have others in this thread? Where?
Okay, so maybe I used a little hyperbole while making a point. Never happens on a message board. You have a certain proclivity for taking things out of context. The overall message I'm delivering is what is important.
That you jump on people for writing things they never wrote?
It happens a lot. That's why you get called on it. When you stick to your opinions and stay accurate with what other people write... there's never a problem.
I'll analyze my words more closely before I hit reply
Thanks Abe.
I appreciate it when people try to avoid exaggerating what other people write, which is a symptom of a kind of argumentative style that creeps onto this board too much for my taste. I hope more winning in the future will help clear that away.
That's fair Drew. And suffice to say the style I dislike is the knee jerking and overreacting that occurs after most losses. It's not just you obviously, but I in turn hope that posting style fades as the wins become more frequent. And when all else fails, we have the board Constable (ABE) to keep me in line.
SameOldNudityDrew wrote:Wow, Wiggins looked like he wasn't even trying out there. Jogging instead of running--even worse than usual. Losing his guy on D a lot. There was a moment in the 4th quarter where Rubio lost the ball and it was bouncing out of bounds right past Wiggins and all he had to do was reach down and get it and he didn't even make an attempt. No excuse. It was obviously off Rubio. Even stars need to be benched when that happens to send a message. He's just so talented, but he can't have nights like that.
But at the same time, wow, Towns was amazing (so excited for that kid's future), and Dieng has been great for us. Dieng makes some mistakes, but his overall impact is clearly very positive, he's really skilled, and makes hustle plays on both sides of the ball. He clearly needs to be considered part of our core going forward. If we get a big banger who is a legit 5 to go down low with those two, we'll have a great 3 big rotation.
These kids are 20 years old. They are going to have off nights every once in a while. Wiggins has had them before, Zach has had a lot of them, and even Towns has had them. You guys expect these kids to be finished products already and it's just not realistic. After a bad Wiggins performance, and it was bad, you're ready to damn him to a mediocre career. He's been great for the last month and kept us in a lot of games. You have to see the forest through the trees and not overreact to every hiccup along the way.
Wait. What?
The post you quoted doesn't come close to making that prediction (in bold). Have others in this thread? Where?
Okay, so maybe I used a little hyperbole while making a point. Never happens on a message board. You have a certain proclivity for taking things out of context. The overall message I'm delivering is what is important.
That you jump on people for writing things they never wrote?
It happens a lot. That's why you get called on it. When you stick to your opinions and stay accurate with what other people write... there's never a problem.
I'll analyze my words more closely before I hit reply
Thanks Abe.
I appreciate it when people try to avoid exaggerating what other people write, which is a symptom of a kind of argumentative style that creeps onto this board too much for my taste. I hope more winning in the future will help clear that away.
That's fair Drew. And suffice to say the style I dislike is the knee jerking and overreacting that occurs after most losses. It's not just you obviously, but I in turn hope that posting style fades as the wins become more frequent. And when all else fails, we have the board Constable (ABE) to keep me in line.
I'm not seeing an overreaction or "knee jerking" in Drew's original post that you jumped on him for. He said Wiggins was very talented, but can't have nights like last night... which is true. He played like shit and his effort was just as bad. There's no overreaction there. You tend to overrate Wiggins as a 20-year old, which is your prerogative, but it's not necessary to go after somebody for pointing out that Wiggins was bad or that he has weaknesses.
I'm not seeing an overreaction or "knee jerking" in Drew's original post that you jumped on him for. He said Wiggins was very talented, but can't have nights like last night... which is true. He played like shit and his effort was just as bad. There's no overreaction there. You tend to overrate Wiggins as a 20-year old, which is your prerogative, but it's not necessary to go after somebody for pointing out that Wiggins was bad or that he has weaknesses.
This is rich coming from the guy that just ripped Pork Chop in the "let me be first" thread for doing the same thing.
I'm not seeing an overreaction or "knee jerking" in Drew's original post that you jumped on him for. He said Wiggins was very talented, but can't have nights like last night... which is true. He played like shit and his effort was just as bad. There's no overreaction there. You tend to overrate Wiggins as a 20-year old, which is your prerogative, but it's not necessary to go after somebody for pointing out that Wiggins was bad or that he has weaknesses.
This is rich coming from the guy that just ripped Pork Chop in the "let me be first" thread for doing the same thing.
Huh? I let Pork Chop know that the main reason the Wolves are losing right now is not because of Ricky Rubio, that we have bigger issues than him. How is that in any way similar to this? Cool acted as if Drew said that Wiggins was trash and would never become a good player. He claimed that Drew was overreacting when all he said was Wiggins can't play like he did last night, which is a true statement. You amuse me, sjm.
I'm not seeing an overreaction or "knee jerking" in Drew's original post that you jumped on him for. He said Wiggins was very talented, but can't have nights like last night... which is true. He played like shit and his effort was just as bad. There's no overreaction there. You tend to overrate Wiggins as a 20-year old, which is your prerogative, but it's not necessary to go after somebody for pointing out that Wiggins was bad or that he has weaknesses.
This is rich coming from the guy that just ripped Pork Chop in the "let me be first" thread for doing the same thing.
Huh? I let Pork Chop know that the main reason the Wolves are losing right now is not because of Ricky Rubio, that we have bigger issues than him. How is that in any way similar to this? Cool acted as if Drew said that Wiggins was trash and would never become a good player. He claimed that Drew was overreacting when all he said was Wiggins can't play like he did last night, which is a true statement. You amuse me, sjm.
You're right, I acted like Drew said that. My mistake was I shouldn't have used Drew's post as an example for my rant. My frustration wasn't with Drew, but with the prevailing theme on this board that these kids shouldn't make mistakes and should be polished products right now. Wiggins or Zach for that matter can't do anything wrong without getting doubted or in some cases ripped for their play. I know we all have a huge emotional investment in the type of players these guys become. But for Chrissakes let them develop at the pace they are. If they were disappointments like DWill and Wes were, I could see some justification for the eeyore type reaction these guys get after a bad game. But Zach, Wig, Towns, Dieng, and Bazz are all good players who are going to get better, one or two will become great. KAT certainly has the most mature game and apparent highest ceiling, but these other guys can become stars too. It's just going to take some time for things to evolve. It seems like Zach is a savior one week, and a guy too limited to count on the next. All I'm really saying is let's not get too down when they go through a rough patch, nor too high when they have a breakout game. I'm trying to enjoy the ride even though the wins aren't here yet.
I'm not seeing an overreaction or "knee jerking" in Drew's original post that you jumped on him for. He said Wiggins was very talented, but can't have nights like last night... which is true. He played like shit and his effort was just as bad. There's no overreaction there. You tend to overrate Wiggins as a 20-year old, which is your prerogative, but it's not necessary to go after somebody for pointing out that Wiggins was bad or that he has weaknesses.
This is rich coming from the guy that just ripped Pork Chop in the "let me be first" thread for doing the same thing.
Huh? I let Pork Chop know that the main reason the Wolves are losing right now is not because of Ricky Rubio, that we have bigger issues than him. How is that in any way similar to this? Cool acted as if Drew said that Wiggins was trash and would never become a good player. He claimed that Drew was overreacting when all he said was Wiggins can't play like he did last night, which is a true statement. You amuse me, sjm.
The bolded part below seems eerily similar to what you said Cool did. Is it not? Or how about when you call PC a "fool" in that same thread. Is that not attacking him?
because you're incapable of moving off your stance that Rubio's garbage, is that Ricky is far from the problem. We're not losing BECAUSE of Ricky. We have bigger issues that are far more glaring, such as team defense and team 3P shooting. Oh, and because we play three 20-year olds big minutes. Your stance that Ricky's to blame for all these losses is ridiculous.
