New Ringer NBA mock

[kekgeek]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

[AbeVigodaLive]

Tough to do mocks with teams in specific slots... when so many trades are expected.

[Lipoli390]

This is why I'd be happy to end up with Okongwu and why he might be a better choice for the Wolves than Wiseman:

"Excellent finisher with soft hands that catch tough passes, a pillowy touch around the rim, and the quick-leaping ability to score with power.

Good post scorer. He does a nice job of getting into position by sealing off defenders. Once he gets the ball, he displays flashes of advanced ability with spins, drop steps, and fakes.
Handles the ball like a wing. He has a quick first step with an arsenal of moves, including crossovers and rip-throughs, that he uses to get to the rim. But he doesn't overdo it; he makes good decisions and plays within himself.

He makes slick passes, loves to throw outlets, and passes well out of the post. He needs to make quicker reads off rolls to the rim and from the perimeter, but he's in a good place at his age.
Does the little things: He hustles, screens well, rebounds all over the floor, and makes clutch plays.
Excellent pick-and-roll defender. He's mobile and versatile, able to drop, switch, or hedge. When he's protecting the rim in either pick-and-roll or help situations, his positioning, timing, and instincts lead to effective shot alterations. He's usually in the right spot, which is rare for a player his age.".

[Lipoli390]

Here's why I like Tyrell at #17. I understand his size could limit his defensive impact, but I like that he competes hard on that end - unlike Ball and Edwards:

"Elite shooter with a quick, high release. He can run off screens and find his balance midair (48 percent on catch-and-shoot 3s), or unload off-the-dribble jumpers from deep behind the arc (32 percent).
Advanced off-ball movement: He manipulates defenders with pivots and fakes to get himself open. The Curry family would be proud of his tendency to relocate for corner 3s after giving up the ball.

Crafty interior finisher with an expansive layup package. He has a keen sense for how to contort his body on layup attempts, and the soft touch to score from awkward angles or against contact.

Makes an impact in the pick-and-roll. He has the burst to turn the corner and generally makes smart decisions when deciding whether to shoot or pass.

Solid passer who can make fundamental plays, plus the more advanced ones like whips to 3-point shooters and wrap-arounds to rolling bigs.

Competitive defender who will take a charge and dive for loose balls. On switches, he'll try to battle against bigger players."

[thedoper]

This is why I'd be happy to end up with Okongwu and why he might be a better choice for the Wolves than Wiseman:

"Excellent finisher with soft hands that catch tough passes, a pillowy touch around the rim, and the quick-leaping ability to score with power.

Good post scorer. He does a nice job of getting into position by sealing off defenders. Once he gets the ball, he displays flashes of advanced ability with spins, drop steps, and fakes.
Handles the ball like a wing. He has a quick first step with an arsenal of moves, including crossovers and rip-throughs, that he uses to get to the rim. But he doesn't overdo it; he makes good decisions and plays within himself.

He makes slick passes, loves to throw outlets, and passes well out of the post. He needs to make quicker reads off rolls to the rim and from the perimeter, but he's in a good place at his age.
Does the little things: He hustles, screens well, rebounds all over the floor, and makes clutch plays.
Excellent pick-and-roll defender. He's mobile and versatile, able to drop, switch, or hedge. When he's protecting the rim in either pick-and-roll or help situations, his positioning, timing, and instincts lead to effective shot alterations. He's usually in the right spot, which is rare for a player his age.".

That sounds like a great compliment to KAT. I like all of these skills but it does sound like we'd be getting nothing offensively from this kid for a while unless we're going to run post sets for a rookie with KAT out there. Crazy to think that players who are essentially defensive specialists are top 5 picks now. I think your instincts are right on this kid being good for us, I'm just not sure that's enough value to our team long term. I think we need another player who can legitimately be an all-star or create that type of buzz for this team and try to fill the gaps with lower picks and free agents. I'm going to be a bit down if our top pick turns into a nice role player or a very solid starter. That is what great teams do with picks in the 20s. At the least we need a player who is a clear contributor or can give KAT and DLo some sort of vision of competing so they both want to stay. To me we should risk a bit more on Wiseman or Edwards with their potential upside there, but I do think there's merit in exploring a safer route like Okongwu.

[thedoper]

This mock has us getting Edwards and Precious Achiuwa. That would be a sweet haul in my opinion.

[Monster]

I watched some workout videos of Okongwu after watching videos of Wiseman. A couple things stood out to me.

1. He is clearly shorter than wiseman.

2. The video I watched was him working out mostly talking jumpers from all around. Of course it was all makes...I guess. Schmitz was interviewing him while the video played. The shot motion compared to Wiseman...there is no comparison Wiseman's looks like a shooter Okongwu looks more forced. He does looks consistent and he looks to be able to get the ball to the hoop with that motion so maybe he will he fine as a catch and shot guy but the shot was also kinda slow. If he is the type of all NBA defender and then he can make open 3's...I'll take that all day.

3. The guy is just build like a beast. Wiseman is built like a springy wing. Okongwu is a little undersized for a center but tough. It's not a perfect comp but he is like the Okogie of bigs. People really like his defensive instincts. One issue I saw in one of the wiseman videos Cam posted was Wiseman doing defensive slides and Touching lights on poles when they went off. It felt like sometimes it took him forced to get his hand out there. Wiseman was staying down In a stance and probably had been doing that and other things for a long time so I'm not gonna get to caught up in it but I can see some of that worry about him being able to move his feet. Okongwu looks like a powerful but more quick player.

Wiseman has the higher offensive upside but Okongwu might be a good defender right away. KG had some incredible physics tools but it was his instincts and ability to know what to do that made him so good defensively. Can Wiseman get it? If so he could be a monster on that end even if he doesn't have the quiets feet all the time. Okongwu seems more likely to have already gotten it. I like him.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

They're doing a ringer mock every Tuesday until the draft so I would anticipate a lot of different scenarios being used in the mocks. Not sure why there needs to be a mock draft every week with little new info being added to each mock draft.

[Lipoli390]

I watched some workout videos of Okongwu after watching videos of Wiseman. A couple things stood out to me.

1. He is clearly shorter than wiseman.

2. The video I watched was him working out mostly talking jumpers from all around. Of course it was all makes...I guess. Schmitz was interviewing him while the video played. The shot motion compared to Wiseman...there is no comparison Wiseman's looks like a shooter Okongwu looks more forced. He does looks consistent and he looks to be able to get the ball to the hoop with that motion so maybe he will he fine as a catch and shot guy but the shot was also kinda slow. If he is the type of all NBA defender and then he can make open 3's...I'll take that all day.

3. The guy is just build like a beast. Wiseman is built like a springy wing. Okongwu is a little undersized for a center but tough. It's not a perfect comp but he is like the Okogie of bigs. People really like his defensive instincts. One issue I saw in one of the wiseman videos Cam posted was Wiseman doing defensive slides and Touching lights on poles when they went off. It felt like sometimes it took him forced to get his hand out there. Wiseman was staying down In a stance and probably had been doing that and other things for a long time so I'm not gonna get to caught up in it but I can see some of that worry about him being able to move his feet. Okongwu looks like a powerful but more quick player.

Wiseman has the higher offensive upside but Okongwu might be a good defender right away. KG had some incredible physics tools but it was his instincts and ability to know what to do that made him so good defensively. Can Wiseman get it? If so he could be a monster on that end even if he doesn't have the quiets feet all the time. Okongwu seems more likely to have already gotten it. I like him.

That's how I see it, Monster. The more I watch of these two, the more I favor Okongwu even as I continue to like Wiseman. Okongwu just seems quicker and more instinctive than Wiseman on the defensive end. Okongwu also has great hands, while Wiseman's hands are sometimes a bit shaky. Good hands are critical to a big. As you know, I was a really high on John Collins coming out of college. He won me with his stats but more so watching his video highlights. Watching Okongwu reminds me a lot of Collins, except that Okongwu seems a bit stronger and is a much better defender both on film and statistically. They appear to be about the same length, although I think Okongwu is a bit longer.

[Monster]

I watched some workout videos of Okongwu after watching videos of Wiseman. A couple things stood out to me.

1. He is clearly shorter than wiseman.

2. The video I watched was him working out mostly talking jumpers from all around. Of course it was all makes...I guess. Schmitz was interviewing him while the video played. The shot motion compared to Wiseman...there is no comparison Wiseman's looks like a shooter Okongwu looks more forced. He does looks consistent and he looks to be able to get the ball to the hoop with that motion so maybe he will he fine as a catch and shot guy but the shot was also kinda slow. If he is the type of all NBA defender and then he can make open 3's...I'll take that all day.

3. The guy is just build like a beast. Wiseman is built like a springy wing. Okongwu is a little undersized for a center but tough. It's not a perfect comp but he is like the Okogie of bigs. People really like his defensive instincts. One issue I saw in one of the wiseman videos Cam posted was Wiseman doing defensive slides and Touching lights on poles when they went off. It felt like sometimes it took him forced to get his hand out there. Wiseman was staying down In a stance and probably had been doing that and other things for a long time so I'm not gonna get to caught up in it but I can see some of that worry about him being able to move his feet. Okongwu looks like a powerful but more quick player.

Wiseman has the higher offensive upside but Okongwu might be a good defender right away. KG had some incredible physics tools but it was his instincts and ability to know what to do that made him so good defensively. Can Wiseman get it? If so he could be a monster on that end even if he doesn't have the quiets feet all the time. Okongwu seems more likely to have already gotten it. I like him.

That's how I see it, Monster. The more I watch of these two, the more I favor Okongwu even as I continue to like Wiseman. Okongwu just seems quicker and more instinctive than Wiseman on the defensive end. Okongwu also has great hands, while Wiseman's hands are sometimes a bit shaky. Good hands are critical to a big. As you know, I was a really high on John Collins coming out of college. He won me with his stats but more so watching his video highlights. Watching Okongwu reminds me a lot of Collins, except that Okongwu seems a bit stronger and is a much better defender both on film and statistically. They appear to be about the same length, although I think Okongwu is a bit longer.

Okongwu has a stronger looking base. I'd give Collins the edge in terms of being a high flyer. I see them as a little different types of prospects but I understand what you are getting at. If I HAD to be between Okongwu and Wiseman...I like Okongwu better but I do think the talent/upside favors Wiseman so I would pick him at #1.