Buddy Hield

[mrhockey89]

Sounds like Hield isn't returning calls from Luke Walton, apparently upset about getting replaced in the starting lineup last year combined with not being used in late game need-a-three situations.

He fits pretty well with how this team is looking to build, and both him and Murray would have been better picks than Dunn ended up being. I would imagine he could be had at a pretty reasonable return given his contract (4-years $94 mil) if he keeps at odds with Walton...or even if he doesn't, given he's a 6th man right now.

I'm just bringing this up for offseason build-a-bear roster fodder. My initial thought is I wouldn't be interested due to the contract size, even though he's daggered us in the last meeting as I recall. Probably better spots to spend the money...but Culver + James Johnson for Hield (if they were trying to shed salary), perhaps having to throw in #17. #1 would be off limits on such a trade.

Thinking of a potential lineup of Russell, Hield, Okogie, Towns, and Wiseman with Beasley as our 6th man is somewhat intriguing to me.

Whatcha think?

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

Yes please.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I've proposed that exact deal -- Jarrett Culver, James Johnson, and the 17th-overall pick for Buddy Hield -- on a different thread. I'd be in favor of it, especially if James Wiseman is taken with the first pick. I think that would be good value for both sides given the circumstances, but favors Minnesota more because Hield is a quality player. He's in the same NBA tier as C.J. McCollum and Malcolm Brogdon, in my opinion. That's a good get given the price.

A buddy of mine that is a Kings fan and has a fair amount of Kings fans following him on Twitter reaffirmed that the proposed deal is what they would ask for in such a deal if they were the GM.

Obviously, we're just spitballing trades as fans, but at least this one seems to be pretty realistic in terms of an offer.

[mrhockey89]

I've proposed that exact deal -- Jarrett Culver, James Johnson, and the 17th-overall pick for Buddy Hield -- on a different thread. I'd be in favor of it, especially if James Wiseman is taken with the first pick. I think that would be good value for both sides given the circumstances, but favors Minnesota more because Hield is a quality player. He's in the same NBA tier as C.J. McCollum and Malcolm Brogdon, in my opinion. That's a good get given the price.

A buddy of mine that is a Kings fan and has a fair amount of Kings fans following him on Twitter reaffirmed that the proposed deal is what they would ask for in such a deal if they were the GM.

Obviously, we're just spitballing trades as fans, but at least this one seems to be pretty realistic in terms of an offer.

Interesting. I haven't kept up with all the threads as I've been on here pretty intermittently. I was just looking at Hield's contract and it declines every year which I found interesting. He's also an ideal age for what Rosas would be looking for.

Even if an offer like this were on the table, I still think Rosas would first exhaust all options to get a Beal/Simmons. I'm actually pretty excited to see what Rosas does this offseason. He bleeds creativity and if there's one thing that seems certain, there will be continued roster shakeup with some potentially reasonably big names in the mix.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I've proposed that exact deal -- Jarrett Culver, James Johnson, and the 17th-overall pick for Buddy Hield -- on a different thread. I'd be in favor of it, especially if James Wiseman is taken with the first pick. I think that would be good value for both sides given the circumstances, but favors Minnesota more because Hield is a quality player. He's in the same NBA tier as C.J. McCollum and Malcolm Brogdon, in my opinion. That's a good get given the price.

A buddy of mine that is a Kings fan and has a fair amount of Kings fans following him on Twitter reaffirmed that the proposed deal is what they would ask for in such a deal if they were the GM.

Obviously, we're just spitballing trades as fans, but at least this one seems to be pretty realistic in terms of an offer.

Interesting. I haven't kept up with all the threads as I've been on here pretty intermittently. I was just looking at Hield's contract and it declines every year which I found interesting. He's also an ideal age for what Rosas would be looking for.

Even if an offer like this were on the table, I still think Rosas would first exhaust all options to get a Beal/Simmons. I'm actually pretty excited to see what Rosas does this offseason. He bleeds creativity and if there's one thing that seems certain, there will be continued roster shakeup with some potentially reasonably big names in the mix.

Yeah, I think it's a trade that's definitely worthy of discussion. We'd have a pretty potent rotation of backcourt players in that scenario, assuming that would include D'Angelo Russell, Buddy Hield, Malik Beasley, Jordan McLaughlin, and Josh Okogie. This team would have three big volume three-point bombers in Russell, Hield, and Karl-Anthony Towns. It could be four if you include Beasley there. They'd have frontcourt size down low with Towns, Naz Reid and the draft selection of James Wiseman. I think they could pose a plethora of matchup problems depending on the opponent nightly.

Is it a good enough core to win a championship? Well, as long as LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, Giannis Antetokounmpo, James Harden, and Luka Doncic are around probably not. But most teams shouldn't build a team on the premise of championship or bust anyways. I do think that team puts them squarely in the playoffs, though. They'd outscore teams most nights. Just way too much outside shooting for most teams to keep up with.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

The problem is Hield plays the exact same position as half our existing roster - Shooting guard. And isn't Malik Beasley basically a younger and hopefully cheaper version of Hield? I realize that Hield is a bit better scorer, but Beasley still has some upside left potentially.

And besides, I hear that those prison pick-up games really toughens guys up. I think that could help with Malik's development.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

The problem is Hield plays the exact same position as half our existing roster - Shooting guard. And isn't Malik Beasley basically a younger and hopefully cheaper version of Hield? I realize that Hield is a bit better scorer, but Beasley still has some upside left potentially.

And besides, I hear that those prison pick-up games really toughens guys up. I think that could help with Malik's development.

I have doubts that the 14 games Malik Beasley showed last year are repeatable over a full season. Can you average 20-points per game with almost no dribble drive game? Beasley is so reliant on transition buckets and three-pointers that I just can't see him being on the same level as Buddy Hield as a scorer. And while we have quantity at shooting guard, we certainly don't have high quality yet.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

The problem is Hield plays the exact same position as half our existing roster - Shooting guard. And isn't Malik Beasley basically a younger and hopefully cheaper version of Hield? I realize that Hield is a bit better scorer, but Beasley still has some upside left potentially.

And besides, I hear that those prison pick-up games really toughens guys up. I think that could help with Malik's development.

I have doubts that the 14 games Malik Beasley showed last year are repeatable over a full season. Can you average 20-points per game with almost no dribble drive game? Beasley is so reliant on transition buckets and three-pointers that I just can't see him being on the same level as Buddy Hield as a scorer. And while we have quantity at shooting guard, we certainly don't have high quality yet.

There is a diminishing margin of return with each additional good scorer/poor defender we add to the roster. I just can't see paying so much money for something that we can mostly get out of Beasley at a cheaper price. And we don't need Beasley to average 20 PPG when we already have KAT and DLO on the roster.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

The problem is Hield plays the exact same position as half our existing roster - Shooting guard. And isn't Malik Beasley basically a younger and hopefully cheaper version of Hield? I realize that Hield is a bit better scorer, but Beasley still has some upside left potentially.

And besides, I hear that those prison pick-up games really toughens guys up. I think that could help with Malik's development.

I have doubts that the 14 games Malik Beasley showed last year are repeatable over a full season. Can you average 20-points per game with almost no dribble drive game? Beasley is so reliant on transition buckets and three-pointers that I just can't see him being on the same level as Buddy Hield as a scorer. And while we have quantity at shooting guard, we certainly don't have high quality yet.

There is a diminishing margin of return with each additional good scorer/poor defender we add to the roster. I just can't see paying so much money for something that we can mostly get out of Beasley at a cheaper price. And we don't need Beasley to average 20 PPG when we already have KAT and DLO on the roster.

Perhaps, but having Malik Beasley as a gunslinger off the bench is a big step up from relying on... well, I don't think the Wolves have a guy that can score in bunches off the bench. There are a bulk of shot attempts that the Wolves would just be better with him taking rather than another reserve. He'd be the sixth man that this team just hasn't ever had unless you count Derrick Rose in that lost season.

And Hield has the kind of game that could work great for both Karl-Anthony Towns and D'Angelo Russell. He's obviously great in catch-and-shoot, but he has enough creativity with the ball that you can implement sets with him facilitating and Russell working off ball. How often have we seen Towns kick the ball out of the post to a non-shooter out of necessity?

I'm not saying Hield is the perfect get, but for the price it would probably take to acquire him we'd be smart to do so, in my opinion. We'd also be going all-in on offense and that might just be what Gersson Rosas wants anyways.

[Papalrep]

https://pistonpowered.com/2020/10/01/detroit-pistons-potential-draft-trade/