Free throw stats

[Jester1534]

So I though tonight game against GSW was poorly officiated again but not as bad as the Memphis game. So I wanted to look at the free throw numbers on the year.

16 times Wolves outshot their opponent this year

27 times Wolves Opponent outshot the Timberwolves

5 time the wolves have been outshot by 10 or more free throws

4 times the wolves have been outshot by 20 or more

Only one time have Wolves out shot there opponent by 10

Wolves against teams in top 6 in each conference

2 to 13 ratio

Aka Wolves have no respect in the League

[thedoper]

Yeah the differential has been a real bummer all year. It sucks.

[Q-is-here]

We are #1 in 3-pt attempts in the NBA, so when a high percentage of your overall shot attempts comes from beyond the arc, you are probably going to draw fewer fouls.

We went through a frustrating few years there in the Flip and Mitchell years where we were woefully behind the times with 3-point shooting. Those two were still living in the 1990s. But I feel like this squad has over-rotated a bit. We seem to opt for the quick pull-up 3 (often with a high degree of difficulty) more often than I'd like versus moving the ball around more from side to side and being a bit more patient.

I'm all pushing the pace and trying to exploit the defense before they are set, but if it results in a highly contested pull up 3, then that's really not exploiting the defense and instead just taking a really hard shot.

[FNG]

Q mentions our league-leading 3-point attempts as a reason we have such a foul disparity, and I agree that's a key reason. But I think there are three other reasons all of which have been discussed here:

1) KAT continuing to get offensive fouls by using his arms to push off.

2) Several players' (especially Jaden) propensity to reach too much on defense. Jaden's defensive footwork is so good he should be able to correct this. Finch has mentioned it several times.

3) Ant's extraordinary body control around the basket allowing him to avoid contact. I think he will eventually learn to turn some of those layups into "and ones".

All of these things are correctable, and we can only hope that the coaching staff is working with the team to correct them.

[Jester1534]

Q mentions our league-leading 3-point attempts as a reason we have such a foul disparity, and I agree that's a key reason. But I think there are three other reasons all of which have been discussed here:

1) KAT continuing to get offensive fouls by using his arms to push off.

2) Several players' (especially Jaden) propensity to reach too much on defense. Jaden's defensive footwork is so good he should be able to correct this. Finch has mentioned it several times.

3) Ant's extraordinary body control around the basket allowing him to avoid contact. I think he will eventually learn to turn some of those layups into "and ones".

All of these things are correctable, and we can only hope that the coaching staff is working with the team to correct them.

Well I checked the Utah Jazz who's 2nd in 3pt shooting this year.

They've outshot there opponents 34-9

5 times over 20 free throws more. And every time they were outshot the difference might've been over 5 once or twice.

I find there make up of the Jazz very similar to ours.

Is Donovan Mitchell just that much better than Ant on driving the lane and getting fouls or is it because he's been in league longer and earned it:

Does Golbert deserve more foul calls than Kat?

Idk to me it seems the Jazz have been good to a while so the league refs respect them and so they get more calls. I guarantee if you do with the Warriors you would get the same result

[FNG]

I think there may be some credence to the "respect" theory...i.e. veterans tend to get more calls than young players. But is the difference really that great between Utah and Minnesota? Utah averages 23 free throw attempts per game, and Minnesota is only 2.7 fewer at 20.3...not a very big margin. Gobert averages fewer than one free throw attempt per game more than Towns, despite the fact that almost all his shots are near the basket while a high percentage of KAT's are uncontested threes. It seems likely to me that Gobert would have more free throw attempts than KAT with almost all of his shots coming within three feet.

All that said, I think it's normal for most fans to think their team is getting jobbed by the refs. And I have to admit there are times I don't think KAT gets calls he should get. But I think a lot of that is his fault...refs don't like to be shown up, and KAT's constant whining has to work against him in getting calls. He's an elite player, but I think he could be even more productive if he would be a little more stoic out there as well as quit pushing off on drives to the basket.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

FNG, while 2.7 free throw attempts per game doesn't sound like much, it's a significant difference. Utah ranks second in the league in free throw attempts per game whereas Minnesota ranks 23rd. The Jazz have attempted 117 more free throws than the Wolves have this season despite having a comparable style/blueprint. Make no mistake about it, the Jazz are the better team, but there shouldn't be that big of a disparity.

Not to mention, Minnesota ranks dead last in personal fouls and it's by a considerable margin. The Wolves are responsible for some of that with how aggressive and undisciplined they are at times, but I think it's more than fair to say that the officials have shown little to no respect to the Wolves this year. Somehow the Wolves foul the most but can't get the same calls on the opposite end of the court.

[kekgeek]

FNG, while 2.7 free throw attempts per game doesn't sound like much, it's a significant difference. Utah ranks second in the league in free throw attempts per game whereas Minnesota ranks 23rd. The Jazz have attempted 117 more free throws than the Wolves have this season despite having a comparable style/blueprint. Make no mistake about it, the Jazz are the better team, but there shouldn't be that big of a disparity.

Not to mention, Minnesota ranks dead last in personal fouls and it's by a considerable margin. The Wolves are responsible for some of that with how aggressive and undisciplined they are at times, but I think it's more than fair to say that the officials have shown little to no respect to the Wolves this year. Somehow the Wolves foul the most but can't get the same calls on the opposite end of the court.

Some context though. Clarkson, Mitchell, Bojan and Conley drive 46.4 times a game combined. Towns, Dlo, vando, Naz, Ant, Prince, Mcdaniels, bev, McLaughlin, Beasley, Nowell drive 47.5 times a game. That's 11 players compared to 4. The jazz put constant pressure on the rim the Wolves do not (what is fine).

There might be some "earn your stripes" with Ant. But Dlo is a jump shooter, Beasley doesn't drive, Mcdaniels rarely drives, same with vando, Nowell is attacking but usually ends up shooting a jumper, Prince has been a spot up guy, Kat attacks and he is in the top ten of fouls drawn.

I thought the refs were bad in Memphis but the wolves are a jump shooting team that doesn't put constant pressure on the rim. Ant might be the only one with a complaint here.

[Q-is-here]

KAT is #13 in total FTAs this season, which feels about right. He's shot quite a few more than Jokic believe it or not. The only bigs ahead of him are Embiid, Sabonis, and Gobert.

- Gobert makes sense to me and it's a lesson in screen setting and rolling. Gobert is an ELITE screen setter and roller, leaving opposing defenses with no other option than to foul him versus giving up an easy dunk.

- Embiid is a physical freak.

- Sabonis is a more curious case. He seems like a fairly level-headed dude to me and this is where KAT falls short. All of his flopping, whining, and "simulation" as they say in European soccer makes it much easier for the refs to swallow their whistle.

I think Edwards is the guy that is the most aggrieved. He complains too, but does so in a more normal way, often shaking his head with a smile and disbelief versus KAT's more childish act.

On the defensive side, it feels like Naz Reid is given zero respect. He reminds me a bit of how Bjelica was treated by the officials while with the Wolves. He was constantly getting called for little defensive touch fouls all the time. Funny how he's suddenly at a career low in foul rate with Golden State as compared to his prior years with the Wolves and Kings.

[Leado01]

While I know I'm very guilty of feeling ripped off by the officials, I also know that officiating in the NBA is highly scrutinized and corrected. We foul more than other teams and KAT and McD foul a ton. If you want to reduce the weight you feel from the officiating chip on your shoulder...please listen to this.

A podcast called "Ref, you Suck!" Spotify/Apple etc...


https://open.spotify.com/episode/0CTWXG3mzBbpEef1XLrmxx?si=JgI9p8xKQNqW5Li2clhoMg&utm_source=copy-link