Better lucky than good

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

Say what you want about rosas' draft picks and minor free agent signings so far, but the truth is he bet his job on dlo - plain and simple. He makes bold moves and he chose to go all in on dlo, knowing that if dlo improved and fit in he would look good, because we would compete for the playoffs and the pick he gave up would hopefully be in the teens. He has clearly lost this gamble and now he deserves to be held accountable, unless... he gets super lucky and somehow keeps a top 3 pick. He's obviously not a good PBO, but let's see if he's at least lucky before we fire him (he was able to get the #1 pick in one draft already).

My point is, he knew full well what he was getting into when he traded for dlo... he would have accepted the glory if it would have worked out (somehow), and now he needs to accept the consequences for it not working (barring a miraculous turn around). If Taylor was willing to let him fire Saunders, and hire his guy mid season maybe that means that rosas could actually be on the hot seat now sooner than expected (fingers crossed)

[kekgeek]

I'll be shocked if Rosas is fired at the end of the season. He has been given 2 seasons, has made some solid moves in the Beasley trade, Mcdaniels pick, Naz signing, Mclaughlin signing, Edwards is a wait and see but he has shown flashes of what he could be. He has also made some bad moves in the Rubio addition (Even though the trade got the wolves Mcdaniels), signing Hernangomez to a multi year deal for 7+ million, the Culver pick (even though the trade is still a good trade when it comes to using your assets).

Yes he hooked his wagons onto Dlo trade but they have played 5 games together, In that small sample size lineups that have involved Dlo and Kat they are better then 2/3rds of all lineups. We don't know if it will work or not. How sad it is and it is really sad. Dlo and Culver are tied for the best winning % on the wolves currently this season.

We have to see how it works in my opinion and Rosas now has his HC, not the HC that Glenn wanted him to hire. He is on the hot seat no doubt but I would not fire him right now. Let hopefully the new owner in a year make that decision and hire his guy.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

I'll be shocked if Rosas is fired at the end of the season. He has been given 2 seasons, has made some solid moves in the Beasley trade, Mcdaniels pick, Naz signing, Mclaughlin signing, Edwards is a wait and see but he has shown flashes of what he could be. He has also made some bad moves in the Rubio addition (Even though the trade got the wolves Mcdaniels), signing Hernangomez to a multi year deal for 7+ million, the Culver pick (even though the trade is still a good trade when it comes to using your assets).

Yes he hooked his wagons onto Dlo trade but they have played 5 games together, In that small sample size lineups that have involved Dlo and Kat they are better then 2/3rds of all lineups. We don't know if it will work or not. How sad it is and it is really sad. Dlo and Culver are tied for the best winning % on the wolves currently this season.

We have to see how it works in my opinion and Rosas now has his HC, not the HC that Glenn wanted him to hire. He is on the hot seat no doubt but I would not fire him right now. Let hopefully the new owner in a year make that decision and hire his guy.

Yeah, I suppose that's probably the smartest path, to just wait and let a new owner hire the next guy... not like we could trust Taylor to hire anyone better.

Ugh... I just hate that a team so desperately in need of a star high end talent, probably won't be able to get one in this draft. At least Thibs the GM traded youth/picks for a great player... rosas traded picks for a mediocre player that should have just been swapped one for one with Wiggins, without the picks. Most years when the wolves suck, we at least had hope for the draft, but our terrible GM sold that hope for freaking D'Angelo Russell ( ouch).

[mrhockey89]

Had this discussion with a buddy the other day. Zero chance the Wolves cut ties with Rosas after this season (unless he commits a crime). If 20 teams make the playoffs next year and the Wolves still don't make the playoffs and/or show marked improvement then, I could see them cutting bait after next season.

Even though Russell didn't impress in Golden State, he was coming off a playoff and all-star appearance just before that in Brooklyn. Compare that with Wiggins being considered the worst contract in basketball by many, and that's why they had to give up more than a 1 for 1. Retrospect though, probably got jobbed on that trade.

[Monster]

Well if your premise is that Rosas bet his job on Russell then to be honest that hasn't played itself out yet. Is it looking good now? No but he has been here what a year and just turned 25. Russell could still be something close to what Rosas envisioned.

Meanwhile Wiggins is doing Wiggins things. He has a career low FT rate and taking the fewest shots at the rim in his career. Can you imagine what people would be saying if the Wolves were paying Wiggins and Kelly Oubre around 100 million when you include possible Lux tax? Lol GS Has a very valuable pick for the Wiggins trade but they gave up a decent amount of assets to be able to pay Oubre to be a decent starter.

I think Rosas is probably safe for now but it would be nice for him to have someone else on the roster or the new coach make him look smarter. He has been a mixed bag. If Finch turns out to be someone that helps the roster instead of holding them back that's a pretty big deal.

[Wolvesfan21]

Well if your premise is that Rosas bet his job on Russell then to be honest that hasn't played itself out yet. Is it looking good now? No but he has been here what a year and just turned 25. Russell could still be something close to what Rosas envisioned.

Meanwhile Wiggins is doing Wiggins things. He has a career low FT rate and taking the fewest shots at the rim in his career. Can you imagine what people would be saying if the Wolves were paying Wiggins and Kelly Oubre around 100 million when you include possible Lux tax? Lol GS Has a very valuable pick for the Wiggins trade but they gave up a decent amount of assets to be able to pay Oubre to be a decent starter.

I think Rosas is probably safe for now but it would be nice for him to have someone else on the roster or the new coach make him look smarter. He has been a mixed bag. If Finch turns out to be someone that helps the roster instead of holding them back that's a pretty big deal.

Like I said before when everyone was on the fire Ryan train, a new coach really won't make much of a difference. The players themselves simply are young, not currently good, need to improve and get better.

Is it Ryans fault Ant shoots the ball poorly? Not really, that's simply Ant's lack of shooting skill currently and he may never become a good shooter no matter who coaches. I think it's at least 90% on the player to become who they will become.

Do you credit whoever coached Jordan early on for making him who he became? Jordan was going to become the GOAT no matter who was his coach. They certainly wouldn't have been as dominant as a team had they not had Pippen or added Rodman later. But then you again have to credit those guys for being who they were.

[Coolbreeze44]

Had this discussion with a buddy the other day. Zero chance the Wolves cut ties with Rosas after this season (unless he commits a crime). If 20 teams make the playoffs next year and the Wolves still don't make the playoffs and/or show marked improvement then, I could see them cutting bait after next season.

Even though Russell didn't impress in Golden State, he was coming off a playoff and all-star appearance just before that in Brooklyn. Compare that with Wiggins being considered the worst contract in basketball by many, and that's why they had to give up more than a 1 for 1. Retrospect though, probably got jobbed on that trade.

Ya think?

[Monster]

Well if your premise is that Rosas bet his job on Russell then to be honest that hasn't played itself out yet. Is it looking good now? No but he has been here what a year and just turned 25. Russell could still be something close to what Rosas envisioned.

Meanwhile Wiggins is doing Wiggins things. He has a career low FT rate and taking the fewest shots at the rim in his career. Can you imagine what people would be saying if the Wolves were paying Wiggins and Kelly Oubre around 100 million when you include possible Lux tax? Lol GS Has a very valuable pick for the Wiggins trade but they gave up a decent amount of assets to be able to pay Oubre to be a decent starter.

I think Rosas is probably safe for now but it would be nice for him to have someone else on the roster or the new coach make him look smarter. He has been a mixed bag. If Finch turns out to be someone that helps the roster instead of holding them back that's a pretty big deal.

Like I said before when everyone was on the fire Ryan train, a new coach really won't make much of a difference. The players themselves simply are young, not currently good, need to improve and get better.

Is it Ryans fault Ant shoots the ball poorly? Not really, that's simply Ant's lack of shooting skill currently and he may never become a good shooter no matter who coaches. I think it's at least 90% on the player to become who they will become.

Do you credit whoever coached Jordan early on for making him who he became? Jordan was going to become the GOAT no matter who was his coach. They certainly wouldn't have been as dominant as a team had they not had Pippen or added Rodman later. But then you again have to credit those guys for being who they were.

Honestly this post makes it sound like you think coaching doesn't matter. Glen should have been saving money the last 20+ years on just hiring whoever.

[Wolvesfan21]

Well if your premise is that Rosas bet his job on Russell then to be honest that hasn't played itself out yet. Is it looking good now? No but he has been here what a year and just turned 25. Russell could still be something close to what Rosas envisioned.

Meanwhile Wiggins is doing Wiggins things. He has a career low FT rate and taking the fewest shots at the rim in his career. Can you imagine what people would be saying if the Wolves were paying Wiggins and Kelly Oubre around 100 million when you include possible Lux tax? Lol GS Has a very valuable pick for the Wiggins trade but they gave up a decent amount of assets to be able to pay Oubre to be a decent starter.

I think Rosas is probably safe for now but it would be nice for him to have someone else on the roster or the new coach make him look smarter. He has been a mixed bag. If Finch turns out to be someone that helps the roster instead of holding them back that's a pretty big deal.

Like I said before when everyone was on the fire Ryan train, a new coach really won't make much of a difference. The players themselves simply are young, not currently good, need to improve and get better.

Is it Ryans fault Ant shoots the ball poorly? Not really, that's simply Ant's lack of shooting skill currently and he may never become a good shooter no matter who coaches. I think it's at least 90% on the player to become who they will become.

Do you credit whoever coached Jordan early on for making him who he became? Jordan was going to become the GOAT no matter who was his coach. They certainly wouldn't have been as dominant as a team had they not had Pippen or added Rodman later. But then you again have to credit those guys for being who they were.

Honestly this post makes it sound like you think coaching doesn't matter. Glen should have been saving money the last 20+ years on just hiring whoever.

It does but the difference between a bad NBA coach and a good one is probably 5 wins a season imo.

We've seen a dozen or so coaches come through here and we've consistently been terrible barring a magical 2004 season.

You can't tell me that coaching matters that much. You put Ryan as the Lakers coach and they still win the chip last year and have about the same record this season.

Firing coaches simply appeases the fans most of the time. Sure there are probably times coaches do deserve to get fired as well when they lose the team.

I mean the last 13 games under Ryan the Wolves were close to winning every single game, each game decided by 8 or less. Now under Finch we are getting blown out.

To be fair it should take some time, but I'm not hopeful just because a new coach is here.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Well if your premise is that Rosas bet his job on Russell then to be honest that hasn't played itself out yet. Is it looking good now? No but he has been here what a year and just turned 25. Russell could still be something close to what Rosas envisioned.

Meanwhile Wiggins is doing Wiggins things. He has a career low FT rate and taking the fewest shots at the rim in his career. Can you imagine what people would be saying if the Wolves were paying Wiggins and Kelly Oubre around 100 million when you include possible Lux tax? Lol GS Has a very valuable pick for the Wiggins trade but they gave up a decent amount of assets to be able to pay Oubre to be a decent starter.

I think Rosas is probably safe for now but it would be nice for him to have someone else on the roster or the new coach make him look smarter. He has been a mixed bag. If Finch turns out to be someone that helps the roster instead of holding them back that's a pretty big deal.

Like I said before when everyone was on the fire Ryan train, a new coach really won't make much of a difference. The players themselves simply are young, not currently good, need to improve and get better.

Is it Ryans fault Ant shoots the ball poorly? Not really, that's simply Ant's lack of shooting skill currently and he may never become a good shooter no matter who coaches. I think it's at least 90% on the player to become who they will become.

Do you credit whoever coached Jordan early on for making him who he became? Jordan was going to become the GOAT no matter who was his coach. They certainly wouldn't have been as dominant as a team had they not had Pippen or added Rodman later. But then you again have to credit those guys for being who they were.

Honestly this post makes it sound like you think coaching doesn't matter. Glen should have been saving money the last 20+ years on just hiring whoever.

It does but the difference between a bad NBA coach and a good one is probably 5 wins a season imo.

We've seen a dozen or so coaches come through here and we've consistently been terrible barring a magical 2004 season.

You can't tell me that coaching matters that much. You put Ryan as the Lakers coach and they still win the chip last year and have about the same record this season.

Firing coaches simply appeases the fans most of the time. Sure there are probably times coaches do deserve to get fired as well when they lose the team.

I mean the last 13 games under Ryan the Wolves were close to winning every single game, each game decided by 8 or less. Now under Finch we are getting blown out.

To be fair it should take some time, but I'm not hopeful just because a new coach is here.

I generally agree except occasionally you will see a new coach come in and completely change the effort and attitude around defense. That is the one side that a coach can impact without relying solely on the innate talent of the players. Thibs has done it in New York this season.