Potential trade ideas

[Wolvesfan21]

Beal may want out as the Wizards are terrible and we would be silly not to throw our hat in the ring.

Edwards, salary match player's and an unprotected first get it done? Does Beal have any trade exception leverage?

Wizards can rebuild around our picks, we fastback our rebuild and hopefully become good next season. But is a trio of DLO/Beal/KAT and role players good enough? I think it could be if ALL three make progress and we can fill in the voids here or there with tough defensive 3/D guys.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The unprotected 1st would have to be 2023.

What has Edwards shown to make the Wizards jump at TWO unproven players for the one sure thing they already have?

It's same story for prospective Towns trades. Trading a known commodity for unknown commodities that MIGHT be as good as them several years later (but probably not) just isn't appealing for a lot of teams.

[Wolvesfan21]

The unprotected 1st would have to be 2023.

What has Edwards shown to make the Wizards jump at TWO unproven players for the one sure thing they already have?

It's same story for prospective Towns trades. Trading a known commodity for unknown commodities that MIGHT be as good as them several years later (but probably not) just isn't appealing for a lot of teams.

True but Beal MAY change his tune and want to leave. The same thing Towns may do at some point. When a player no longer wants to be there and the team is terrible (the worst record in the NBA) then they might as well blow it up and go for a long term build. Beal is 27, so a bit older but not too old to fit in with KAT and DLO for a few seasons either. All three could improve still. But if you are adding 19 year olds with Beal, then by the time they are 24 Beal is 32 and declining.

Getting the most recent number one overall pick plus future pick might be the best young talent they could accrue and then they count on their own picks which would be high as well.

Edwards still could become a superstar, it's not out of the question I think. He's only 19 and should be a freshman in college (he left HS a year early). I'm not opposed at all to trading him though for a proven player. I'd rather see some light at the end of the tunnel sooner then later.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The unprotected 1st would have to be 2023.

What has Edwards shown to make the Wizards jump at TWO unproven players for the one sure thing they already have?

It's same story for prospective Towns trades. Trading a known commodity for unknown commodities that MIGHT be as good as them several years later (but probably not) just isn't appealing for a lot of teams.

True but Beal MAY change his tune and want to leave. The same thing Towns may do at some point. When a player no longer wants to be there and the team is terrible (the worst record in the NBA) then they might as well blow it up and go for a long term build. Beal is 27, so a bit older but not too old to fit in with KAT and DLO for a few seasons either. All three could improve still. But if you are adding 19 year olds with Beal, then by the time they are 24 Beal is 32 and declining.

Getting the most recent number one overall pick plus future pick might be the best young talent they could accrue and then they count on their own picks which would be high as well.

Edwards still could become a superstar, it's not out of the question I think. He's only 19 and should be a freshman in college (he left HS a year early). I'm not opposed at all to trading him though for a proven player. I'd rather see some light at the end of the tunnel sooner then later.

I think you're severely underestimating the assets other teams can offer... and/or overestimating Edwards' value.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I mentioned Beal as a possible trade target earlier this season and a Washington/Beal deal certainly seems more realistic than others.

I think Edwards' value peaked about two or three games into the season and since then has started to decline. But he's still so young and I don't think his value has declined THAT much.

But to Abe's point, I think we'd have to include at least one proven young-ish asset. And that player's name is Malik Beasley. He is definitely playing up to or beyond his contract and is pretty damn close to a legit NBA-caliber starting SG. He's got some flaws, but I think that's priced in at $14M per year. And he might still have a little more upside left.

I really think Edwards + Beasley + probably one other intriguing young guy from our roster (may be Vando or McDaniels?) would be fairly compelling.

[TheFuture]

Just hold on to picks. There is no reason to dig a deeper hole right now. Our FO does not even know what they have in roster construction.

[Lipoli390]

I thought Beal was the one realistic target for the Wolves in a draft-day trade involving our picks. As I said back then, the Wizards are going nowhere and their front office should realize that it's time for them to blow it up and start a rebuild. Turns out I was right and at some point this season, their front office will come to terms with that reality.

My idea on draft day was to trade both of our 1st round picks (#1 and 17) along with James Johnson and Culver. I think the #1 pick on draft day had more trade value than Edwards does right now. I'd say the same think about the #17 pick compared to the reality of McDaniels, although it's closer. James Johnson would have been a nice salary-match tool for the Wizards because he's on the last year of his contract, hence opening up cap room for the Wizards after this season. We gave away some second round picks for Ricky and Davis, so those could have been included as well. \

Unfortunately, I think getting Beal now would probably require us to give up a future unprotected 1st in addition to Edwards, Culver, McDaniels and Beasley. At some point you have to draw a line and I'd draw the line at giving up a future unprotected first. I'd feel differently if there were any evidence that Beal has a substantial impact on winning. But I don't see it. I think he's a terrific player and would obviously be an upgrade over Beasley. And although I'd no longer consider Beal a poor defender, he's still not a particularly good one. That means yet another team pillar that doesn't help defensively. I just don't know that Beal would make enough of a difference to justify further mortgaging the team's future. Before making any such trade, I would at least want to see how good this team can be with DLO and Towns playing together. Until we see that, a major deal for someone like Beal would be too much of a gamble because we don't have enough information to gauge how good he would make the team. Moreover, we don't have a head coach who can optimize the team's performance with or without Beal.

The key for me is to see how well this team finishes the last half of this season, assuming KAT and DLO play together during that stretch. Even if the team doesn't make the playoffs this season, it would at least give us a good measure of what we can expect from this team next season. If we do well, then the Wolves could look at either tweaking the roster over the summer or making a bid for Beal to join KAT and DLO as our version of the "big three." And it might at that point be worth giving up a future unprotected first. However, if we don't do well the last half of this season, the Wolves will have to start thinking seriously about dealing KAT and DLO to start a new rebuild. In that instance, the Wolves will need every draft asset they currently have, in addition to what they get in return for KAT. It's bad enough that this team has no picks this year. We simply can't afford to give up another unprotected first round pick unless it's clear that this team is on an impressive upward trajectory with KAT and DLO as our two pillars. Short of that, we need to keep our powder dry for the likelihood of our own rebuild.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Yeah, I'd draw the line of a future 1st, but throw nearly everything but the kitchen sink (i.e. KAT) when it comes to our existing group of players.

Beal is one of the elite scorers in the NBA and would easily become our #1 option, making KAT the #2 option, and DLO the #3 option (assuming he wasn't part of the trade....). Washington has the #14 offensive rating in the league largely because he's carrying the water for that team. Combine him with KAT and now we'd really have top 10 offensive potential.

Yeah, we'd still struggle on defense, but I don't know how else to make this team at least competitive on a nightly basis so long as the team isn't willing to tear it all down again. If they want to go all in on KAT and DLO, then adding Beal into the mix would fit the strategy.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I'd feel differently if there were any evidence that Beal has a substantial impact on winning. But I don't see it. I think he's a terrific player and would obviously be an upgrade over Beasley. And although I'd no longer consider Beal a poor defender, he's still not a particularly good one. That means yet another team pillar that doesn't help defensively. I just don't know that Beal would make enough of a difference to justify further mortgaging the team's future.

As noted, I don't think the Wolves have enough to get Beal.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't try.

We can rip Beal for not helping the Wizards win recently. But he's not without a track record of playoff experience. He's started 40 playoff games... averaging 22.7 ppg. In 3 of those seasons, he upped his production in the playoffs from the regular season.

The Wizards lost in the 2nd rd. of the 2017 playoffs to Boston in 7 games. Down 3 - 2... Beal scored 33 points in a 1-point win in Game 6. He followed it up with 38 points in a Game 7. Nobody on the roster has remotely close to that much "big game" experience. Heck, how many guys in Wolves franchise history have had playoff chops like that?

The Wolves have 16 combined playoff starts for the entire team. (11 for Rubio, 5 for KAT.) 68 total games... with Ed Davis leading the way with 33 appearances... most of them in mop-up roles.

Beal would be a HUGE get. Here's the rub... He has a player option in 2022. So, there's a chance he'd opt out at only 29... likely giving the Wolves only next season with him and KAT making a legit playoff run. (I think this season is a lost cause.)



[Note: Check out Beal's teammates last night:

Starters: Isaac Bonga, Raul Neto, Robin Lopez, Jordan Bell.
Reserves: Garrison Matthews, Jerome Robinson, Alex Len, Winston Gill, Cassius Winston.

I'm an NBA guy. I follow more than the Wolves. I've never heard of 4 of those guys... and the rest... well, they suck. Len and Bell were signed 4 days ago. Bell is starting on a 10-day contract.

Oh... Beal scored 47 points. His teammates scored 59 and shot 36%.]




[Edit: I omitted Russell's 5 playoff starts. Oops.]

[Wolvesfan21]

I'd feel differently if there were any evidence that Beal has a substantial impact on winning. But I don't see it. I think he's a terrific player and would obviously be an upgrade over Beasley. And although I'd no longer consider Beal a poor defender, he's still not a particularly good one. That means yet another team pillar that doesn't help defensively. I just don't know that Beal would make enough of a difference to justify further mortgaging the team's future.

As noted, I don't think the Wolves have enough to get Beal.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't try.

We can rip Beal for not helping the Wizards win recently. But he's not without a track record of playoff experience. He's started 40 playoff games... averaging 22.7 ppg. In 3 of those seasons, he upped his production in the playoffs from the regular season.

The Wizards lost in the 2nd rd. of the 2017 playoffs to Boston in 7 games. Down 3 - 2... Beal scored 33 points in a 1-point win in Game 6. He followed it up with 38 points in a Game 7. Nobody on the roster has remotely close to that much "big game" experience. Heck, how many guys in Wolves franchise history have had playoff chops like that?

The Wolves have 16 combined playoff starts for the entire team. (11 for Rubio, 5 for KAT.) 68 total games... with Ed Davis leading the way with 33 appearances... most of them in mop-up roles.

Beal would be a HUGE get. Here's the rub... He has a player option in 2022. So, there's a chance he'd opt out at only 29... likely giving the Wolves only next season with him and KAT making a legit playoff run. (I think this season is a lost cause.)



[Note: Check out Beal's teammates last night:

Starters: Isaac Bonga, Raul Neto, Robin Lopez, Jordan Bell.
Reserves: Garrison Matthews, Jerome Robinson, Alex Len, Winston Gill, Cassius Winston.

I'm an NBA guy. I follow more than the Wolves. I've never heard of 4 of those guys... and the rest... well, they suck. Len and Bell were signed 4 days ago. Bell is starting on a 10-day contract.

Oh... Beal scored 47 points. His teammates scored 59 and shot 36%.]

The Wolves have enough they can offer 4 first round unprotected picks, but that would be crazy. So it basically comes down to how much you would give up and like you said potentially lose him in a couple years.

What if Ant becomes All NBA in 3 years and we are left with Beal leaving? It could end up being a terrible trade for us.