Wolves offseason aftermath (although it’s not over)

[Monster]

One angle of the offseason for the Wolves is FA and spending:

So far in terms of FA the Wolves have spent a combined approximately 12 million total in FA on 6 players. That's about 3 million more than using those slots on just vet min players. Meanwhile Tyus, Taj and Rose will be making about a combined 26 million for just 3 guys. Lots of money was thrown around this offseason and the Wolves didn't jump in they went with cheaper options and the longest term deal was Layman for couple million over what he would be making on a vat min deal.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

We didn't have cap space so not signing guys to more money makes sense, but we're gonna be pretty bad next year. We added a rookie, let a few decent players go and replaced them with relative unknowns and the West got even deeper while getting only a little weaker at the top end. Gonna be another rough year.

[Lipoli390]

We didn't have cap space so not signing guys to more money makes sense, but we're gonna be pretty bad next year. We added a rookie, let a few decent players go and replaced them with relative unknowns and the West got even deeper while getting only a little weaker at the top end. Gonna be another rough year.

You're right, Kahn's. There wasn't much Rosas could do given the cap-strapped situation he inherited. And the consequence will likely be a pretty rough season for the Wolves as you suggested. Given that the Wolves will likely be a lottery team again this season, I continue to believe the Wolves should move Covington for 1st round picks and/or young high-upside talent. Try to get a talented young PG. Maybe Covington and Napier to the Spurs for Derrick White or Dejounte Murray and Patty Mills.

[Monster]

We didn't have cap space so not signing guys to more money makes sense, but we're gonna be pretty bad next year. We added a rookie, let a few decent players go and replaced them with relative unknowns and the West got even deeper while getting only a little weaker at the top end. Gonna be another rough year.

You're right, Kahn's. There wasn't much Rosas could do given the cap-strapped situation he inherited. And the consequence will likely be a pretty rough season for the Wolves as you suggested. Given that the Wolves will likely be a lottery team again this season, I continue to believe the Wolves should move Covington for 1st round picks and/or young high-upside talent. Try to get a talented young PG. Maybe Covington and Napier to the Spurs for Derrick White or Dejounte Murray and Patty Mills.

That's an interesting idea Lip. The question I have about Murry or White is if they are going to have actual high upside or they are guys that are just pretty good PGs. Its always annoying thinking of trading something valuable to get a player taken well outside of the lottery. It will be interesting to see if the Spurs end up making Trey Lyles a nice player. They could end up being glad that Morris left for the Knicks.

Rosas hands were tied but it takes some restraint and some guys to do what he has done this offseason by going young. He could have kept or signed some older more established vets that would have likely at least kept things more afloat. Tolliver signed in Portland for the vet min. Maybe he would have resigned here for that much or maybe we would have hand to give him a million more or something. No the oldest player Rosas has brought in this offseason is Napier a guy going into his 6th season and turns 28 in a couple days that makes under 2 million bucks. Note Napier has been on his own upward trajectory in terms of advanced stats in not sure there is some sort of vast drop off from tyus to him that you suggest. Anyway the thing Rosas has done that might keep the Wolves from being really bad was he added younger guys that do have experience in the league. The least experienced guy is Tyrone Wallace who Rosas has been quoted as saying "we get a free look at a player" when asked about adding him so it's not like his spot is set in stone. He guys the Wolves brought in you are hoping some become the next Napier a solid rotation guy or maybe they become a Jae Crowder level player. He brought in some young guys that haven't broke through yet but they have done some things already. It also helps a number of them already have familiarity with the coaching staff and each other. Rosas has been bold, showed restraint and been willing to go young while also mitigating that risk to some extent. Part of whether it works or not is whether the people he hired especially the coaching staff get something out of these guys. I'm interested to see this team play this season and that's even though I fully expect them to top out as a mid 30's win team...so fairly low expectations.

[Lipoli390]

Monster - I like that Rosas has taken the longer-term view and brought in some young players with good upside on low-cost deals. As part of that approach, Rosas has wisely avoided signing older vets like Rose, Tolliver and others who fit much better with playoff and contending teams. I think most of us agree that the net result will be lottery team, but hopefully one that can build more effectively around KAT over the next several years. In that sense, it makes little sense to keep Covington if we can get good longer-range assets in return.

I think DeJounte Murray has very high upside. His development was derailed by an ACL tear last October, but he seems to have recovered fully. I think White is more the type of player you were describing -- solid but perhaps not with a lot of additional upside. Either one would be cheap and both have potential to be better as successors to Teague after this season. In my trade scenario, we'd have to get more salary in return to match, and Patty Mills would do the trick. Meanwhile, we'd be getting an excellent 31-year old 3-point shooter for a couple years.

[Monster]

Monster - I like that Rosas has taken the longer-term view and brought in some young players with good upside on low-cost deals. As part of that approach, Rosas has wisely avoided signing older vets like Rose, Tolliver and others who fit much better with playoff and contending teams. I think most of us agree that the net result will be lottery team, but hopefully one that can build more effectively around KAT over the next several years. In that sense, it makes little sense to keep Covington if we can get good longer-range assets in return.

I think DeJounte Murray has very high upside. His development was derailed by an ACL tear last October, but he seems to have recovered fully. I think White is more the type of player you were describing -- solid but perhaps not with a lot of additional upside. Either one would be cheap and both have potential to be better as successors to Teague after this season. In my trade scenario, we'd have to get more salary in return to match, and Patty Mills would do the trick. Meanwhile, we'd be getting an excellent 31-year old 3-point shooter for a couple years.

I'm a fan of mills but the idea that we are gonna be paying a 30 something year old bench player over 25 million the next 2 years isn't appealing based on the plan we have been discussing. I'm not suggesting it's a dealbreaker or anything just pointing it out. Maybe he would be easy to find a team that would want him based on how backup PGs (he is really more of a SG) got paid this offseason.

Murry's upside is so high because he looks like he is gonna be an elite defender at the position. One drawback of trading for him is he will be a RFA after this year and you are gonna have to figure out what his value is to your organization with him in his first season coming back from an ACL injury. I think we both assume the Spurs are u like my to move him but it's interesting to run through the scenarios. The Spurs have a lot of options for guys playing on the perimeter. Damn they are a good organization.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

Heat want multiple picks in return for taking cp3.
Okc want to shed years.

Would anyone do a cp3 for teague/dieng deal where we don't give up youth or picks?

Cp3
Okogie/culver
Wiggs
Cov
Kat

[kekgeek]

Heat want multiple picks in return for taking cp3.
Okc want to shed years.

Would anyone do a cp3 for teague/dieng deal where we don't give up youth or picks?

Cp3
Okogie/culver
Wiggs
Cov
Kat

For me its a no thanks, I feel like Cp3 is really close to falling off a cliff and there is a scenario that he is worse than Teague this year or at least similar tier as Teague this year. I also don't think there is any re-trade value there if it does go bad.