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http://es.pn/1ZvNxlz

It looks like the Suns might be canning their coach this year. I would put him on the list as someone we should go after. I would want more information though on how he's losing that locker room. If it's just because of Morris then I go after him, but if he's just losing other guys as well that's a red flag. Morris is a jackass who should be traded to Philly today to stay in basketball purgatory. I don't get why they haven't traded him yet. I don't think he's like Cousins where he's worth the headache. I find it hard to believe they can't get something valuable for him in a trade though either. He's still a solid player.
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It's been a bad year for coaches who were recently on top of the world and are loved on this board...Joerger, Hornacek and even the Mayor all being criticized. It goes to show how quickly reputations can change. I'd be wary about considering any coach who was recently fired.
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longstrangetrip wrote:It's been a bad year for coaches who were recently on top of the world and are loved on this board...Joerger, Hornacek and even the Mayor all being criticized. It goes to show how quickly reputations can change. I'd be wary about considering any coach who was recently fired.


Seemingly half the league is coached by guys who got fired somewhere. You just have to pick who you like and go for it. Our situation is different than Phoenix and Memphis and Chicago. Hornacek did a good job there while really never having a single star. He had borderline all-stars in Knight and Bledsoe and Dragic was an all-star, but none of those guys are/were top 15/top 20 players. And yet they were always borderline .500 in the tough West. We have the players that can make coaches look good in a year or two so you just have to pick who you think can maximize them at that point. I'd much rather give guys like Hornacek or Joeger a second shot with a team like we have than bring in someone for their first tryout in the league.
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I am a fan of Hornacek the guy but I really haven't paid a lot of attention to his coaching. Is he the next really good coach or the next good but not great head coach that lasts a couple years at every stop? I think it does make sense to have him on a list of you are looking assuming he actually gets canned.
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monsterpile wrote:I am a fan of Hornacek the guy but I really haven't paid a lot of attention to his coaching. Is he the next really good coach or the next good but not great head coach that lasts a couple years at every stop? I think it does make sense to have him on a list of you are looking assuming he actually gets canned.

Didnt he rely on solid guard play relying on perimeter shooting? I seem to remember them playing their best ball when dragic , Bledsoe and Thomas were all filling up the stat sheets. Our back court doesn't exactly resemble that. In fact neither does theirs that's why he's probably on the block.
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PorkChop wrote:
monsterpile wrote:I am a fan of Hornacek the guy but I really haven't paid a lot of attention to his coaching. Is he the next really good coach or the next good but not great head coach that lasts a couple years at every stop? I think it does make sense to have him on a list of you are looking assuming he actually gets canned.

Didnt he rely on solid guard play relying on perimeter shooting? I seem to remember them playing their best ball when dragic , Bledsoe and Thomas were all filling up the stat sheets. Our back court doesn't exactly resemble that. In fact neither does theirs that's why he's probably on the block.


We can't pick our next coach based on Ricky and whose system he would fit. He doesn't fit anyone's system because he can't score and there are very few systems that are built around a primary ball handler who doesn't score. What if Hornacek's system, style and coaching helps Wiggins/Bazz/Zach become good 3pt shooters? What if he takes us from a terrible 3pt shooting team to league average or better because he runs sets that result in more corner 3's or just open 3's in general? That's more valuable than focusing on Ricky not fitting the system. Ricky is expendable if it really comes down to it.
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khans2k5 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:
monsterpile wrote:I am a fan of Hornacek the guy but I really haven't paid a lot of attention to his coaching. Is he the next really good coach or the next good but not great head coach that lasts a couple years at every stop? I think it does make sense to have him on a list of you are looking assuming he actually gets canned.

Didnt he rely on solid guard play relying on perimeter shooting? I seem to remember them playing their best ball when dragic , Bledsoe and Thomas were all filling up the stat sheets. Our back court doesn't exactly resemble that. In fact neither does theirs that's why he's probably on the block.


We can't pick our next coach based on Ricky and whose system he would fit. He doesn't fit anyone's system because he can't score and there are very few systems that are built around a primary ball handler who doesn't score. What if Hornacek's system, style and coaching helps Wiggins/Bazz/Zach become good 3pt shooters? What if he takes us from a terrible 3pt shooting team to league average or better because he runs sets that result in more corner 3's or just open 3's in general? That's more valuable than focusing on Ricky not fitting the system. Ricky is expendable if it really comes down to it.

You get no argument from me, but do you think that will actually happen? By all accounts the fan base and the organization still have a lot of faith in Rubio. If that's the case I believe your Pg has to be an extension of your coach out on the court. I don't think Ricky can carry out Jeffs scheme and be successful with it
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PorkChop wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:
monsterpile wrote:I am a fan of Hornacek the guy but I really haven't paid a lot of attention to his coaching. Is he the next really good coach or the next good but not great head coach that lasts a couple years at every stop? I think it does make sense to have him on a list of you are looking assuming he actually gets canned.

Didnt he rely on solid guard play relying on perimeter shooting? I seem to remember them playing their best ball when dragic , Bledsoe and Thomas were all filling up the stat sheets. Our back court doesn't exactly resemble that. In fact neither does theirs that's why he's probably on the block.


We can't pick our next coach based on Ricky and whose system he would fit. He doesn't fit anyone's system because he can't score and there are very few systems that are built around a primary ball handler who doesn't score. What if Hornacek's system, style and coaching helps Wiggins/Bazz/Zach become good 3pt shooters? What if he takes us from a terrible 3pt shooting team to league average or better because he runs sets that result in more corner 3's or just open 3's in general? That's more valuable than focusing on Ricky not fitting the system. Ricky is expendable if it really comes down to it.

You get no argument from me, but do you think that will actually happen? By all accounts the fan base and the organization still have a lot of faith in Rubio. If that's the case I believe your Pg has to be an extension of your coach out on the court. I don't think Ricky can carry out Jeffs scheme and be successful with it


I'll put it this way. Ricky's not gonna have any say in the coaching selection process. They're not gonna give him the superstar treatment and consult with him. So when the new coach takes over he's either going to fit or not and possibly move accordingly if needed. They wouldn't turn Hornacek down or not interview him because his system might not fit Ricky's style of play. It's one thing to have faith in a guy. It's another to pick your coach specifically for him. I don't see that happening for Ricky.
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Hornaceks best season coincided with his entire team having career years shooting the ball.
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Sorta related... The Morris twins might be the most unlikable players in the NBA right now.
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