David Kahn's lone triumph was actually a huge mistake

[kms789 [enjin:6694798]]

After watching both the Grizz and Wolves games last night, it brought up so many bad David Kahn memories. Wolves fans have always lauded Kahn for one move--trading Mike Miller and Randy Foye for the pick that got Ricky Rubio, but even that is looking less glamorous as time goes on, especially considering it left us without Curry or Lawson. Foye has always been solid and Miller is still one of the best bench players in the NBA.

If Love leaves, the entire blame still lands on David Kahn, and it still makes me angry.

The triangle offense, Rambis not starting Love, the 3-year opt-out, wasting time on Darko/Beasley/Anthony Randolph/Brandon Roy, Flynn over Curry, trading Lawson for what eventually became Martell Webster, Wes Johnson over Cousins/Paul George/Gordon Hayward/Greg Monroe, getting rid of a 1st round pick just to clear Wes Johnson's salary, placing the hopes of the franchise on Ricky Rubio.

Considering Rubio was the 1st point guard taken in 2009, and might not even be a top-5 PG from that class (which also included Holiday, Teague, Brandon Jennings, Collison, Beverley, and Patty Mills), his lone good move wasn't even any good. It blows my mind that someone can get such a prestigious job and be so bad at it.

[kms789 [enjin:6694798]]

I am not a big fan of Flip, but just by avoiding doing egregiously stupid things he has been a massive improvement. Let's hope this playoff push and a 50-win season next year, which this team is definitely capable of, will keep Love here.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

This is the second thread in as many days that totally gets it wrong. Why did Ricky Rubio preclude us from getting Curry or Lawson? After all, just after picking Ricky, Kahn decided that he needed to get another PG, so he drafted Jonny Flynn. He could have just as well nabbed Curry or Lawson with that next pick. Isn't that the bigger error in hindsight?

As for Ricky himself, while he is no franchise savior, the kid is a joy to watch and does a ton of really, really good things out on the floor. It's been an absolute pleasure to watch him the past few years.

[kms789 [enjin:6694798]]

It didn't preclude us from getting Curry or Lawson, those are separate mistakes. I'm just saying that Kahn's lone perceived good move-- trading Mike Miller and Randy Foye for the 5th pick-- was a bad move as well, made worse by his terrible decisions to pass on Curry and Lawson.

It has often been said that the savvy trade for Rubio atones for the rest of the draft. I don't that's true anymore when you look at how everything has panned out.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Parlaying Miller and Foye for Ricky by itself still seems like a solid move. Rubio can impact a game in more ways than either of those two guys can. Both are essentially 3-point specialists, but not much else. I'm not understanding why this specific move was a bad one since it didn't prevent us from drafting someone he otherwise still could have drafted with the next pick! I'm not following you.....

As for Kahn's overall body of work, I couldn't agree more with you in terms of how badly he botched so many other picks and players.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Let's not be silly. Would anyone really trade rubio right now for miller and foye?

[kms789 [enjin:6694798]]

No, they wouldn't do the trade, but it's also after 5 years, in the meantime Miller has won 2 NBA championships and Foye has started a couple hundred games, while we waited two years unsure if our future PG was coming over.

There were five or six other PGs in the draft better than Rubio, we already had 3 other first round picks. That's why it was a bad move.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

sigh.... here goes the rubio sucks bandwagon...

Leads the league in steals

leads the league in assists per 48 minutes (6th overall total)

2nd in the league in "hockey assists" IE the passes that lead to assists

Wolves outscore opponents 8 points per 48 minutes

leads the league in rebounds for PG's

players generally shoot about 10% better with Rubio then without him


but yes rubio sucks, he had a bad game last night and lawson didn't so ty is the best rubio is the worst. Ughh these one game overreactions are insane

[Coolbreeze44]

I rarely agree with Alex, but he is so right in this case. One of Rubio's biggest problems is his head coach. I'm hoping that someone comes in and lets Ricky be Ricky. At that point you might see an all star. Again last night every Rubio mistake was met with Rick standing up an stomping, or burying his face in his hands. I have never once seen him react that way to a JJ mistake or terrible shot selection.

[kms789 [enjin:6694798]]

Maybe there is a reason he is in Adelman's doghouse? Rubio said himself he's not having fun, he's not the fun-loving catalyst he used to be. His confidence is at an all-time low and opponent PER has gone way up this year. Maybe there is more to it than just saying Adelman is infatuated with Barea. I mean we have a HOF coach, who has a history of players saying he was their favorite coach. There are probably two sides to the story