Joan Beringer

[kekgeek]

The great @Sam_Vecenie on the Wolves taking Joan Beringer:

"This is like the easiest pick in the world. Beringer is a real developmental player. He is an incredible athlete. Like an unbelievable athlete. 6-foot-11, 7-foot-5 wingspan, super long arms, great hands — catches everything in his area. Moves like a wing. Moves at a level that no other big in this class really achieves.

He's just very raw. It's gonna take some time. There is legitimately no better player for Beringer to learn from in the NBA than Rudy Gobert, because this is the exact archetype. This is exactly what it is. So I think this is a great pick from Tim Connelly. I think it makes a ton of sense, and I am a huge fan of what they've done here."

[Lipoli390]

The great @Sam_Vecenie on the Wolves taking Joan Beringer:

"This is like the easiest pick in the world. Beringer is a real developmental player. He is an incredible athlete. Like an unbelievable athlete. 6-foot-11, 7-foot-5 wingspan, super long arms, great hands — catches everything in his area. Moves like a wing. Moves at a level that no other big in this class really achieves.

He's just very raw. It's gonna take some time. There is legitimately no better player for Beringer to learn from in the NBA than Rudy Gobert, because this is the exact archetype. This is exactly what it is. So I think this is a great pick from Tim Connelly. I think it makes a ton of sense, and I am a huge fan of what they've done here."

Very nice. Thanks for posting kek. I trust Vecenie far more than the guy who writes the analysis for NBADraft.net.

[Lipoli390]

https://youtu.be/wTIycEHA9tg?si=3ZDZ7OHq85I-gYuF

I don’t see much Rudy in Belinger’s game. Watch some of these highlights when he puts the ball on the floor. Pretty impressive and borderline amazing given that he’s only played basketball for around four years. What his excellent footwork in the paint and how in control he is. All told, he has terrific coordination, including hand-eye. He’s very spry and can guard very effectively in space. He plays with fire. And yes, he can catch a bounce pass — many of them in this highlight video. . Rudy has more length and really high basketball IQ. He’s also is a master at setting picks. He can teach Beringer a lot and we’ll continue to rely on Rudy for the next couple seasons as Beringer develops. But if Beringer develops to his potential, he can be very special and he won’t be Rudy 2.0. That’s not who he is.

By the way, we all like to joke about the narrative we hear so often about Wolves draft picks getting taller. In the case of Beringer, I wouldn’t be surprised if that really happens. He won’t turn 19 until the middle of November. There’s a very reasonable chance he’ll grow 1-2 inches if not more. If he doesn’t he’ll still have a 9’3 standing reach and a 7’4.5 wingspan. He registered a 32.5” max vertical, but watching his highlights it looks like his vertical is actually greater than that.

[Monster]

Rudy when drafted was considered pretty raw and he was what like 2.5 years older than Joan when he was drafted. Gobert was already a pretty good player by year 2 after being pretty productive in limited minutes as a rookie.

Lip points out that Joan is a different type of player but I think the general impact initially we can hope for is somewhat similar. We could only hope to be so lucky that he becomes anywhere near the defensive savant Rudy is but he does likely have some more offensive upside.

[Lipoli390]

Rudy when drafted was considered pretty raw and he was what like 2.5 years older than Joan when he was drafted. Gobert was already a pretty good player by year 2 after being pretty productive in limited minutes as a rookie.

Lip points out that Joan is a different type of player but I think the general impact initially we can hope for is somewhat similar. We could only hope to be so lucky that he becomes anywhere near the defensive savant Rudy is but he does likely have some more offensive upside.

I think you captured my thinking, Monster. Joan is a very different type of player than Rudy. But I’m hoping Beringer can have the same impact as Rudy. Right now, Beringer is all upside. If he reaches his potential, he’ll be more of an offensive force than Rudy and he’ll also be a very good defender although I wouldn’t expect him to be as good defensively as Rudy in his prime.

[Lipoli390]

Another subtle thing I like about Beringer is that he looks ambidextrous. You can see it if you look closely at his highlights. Mos players favor one hand over the other even if they are skilled with both. But there are a few players who seem to have nearly complete symmetry between their two hands and that’s what I see in Beringer. You can see he blocks shots intuitively with either hand. He just reacts naturally with one hand or the other - using the hand that makes the most sense in the situation. He also seems comfortably putting the ball up with either hand. There’s a lot to like about this 18-year old prospect.

[FNG]

The great @Sam_Vecenie on the Wolves taking Joan Beringer:

"This is like the easiest pick in the world. Beringer is a real developmental player. He is an incredible athlete. Like an unbelievable athlete. 6-foot-11, 7-foot-5 wingspan, super long arms, great hands — catches everything in his area. Moves like a wing. Moves at a level that no other big in this class really achieves.

He's just very raw. It's gonna take some time. There is legitimately no better player for Beringer to learn from in the NBA than Rudy Gobert, because this is the exact archetype. This is exactly what it is. So I think this is a great pick from Tim Connelly. I think it makes a ton of sense, and I am a huge fan of what they've done here."

Very nice. Thanks for posting kek. I trust Vecenie far more than the guy who writes the analysis for NBADraft.net.

I like Vecenie also, Lip, but I need to provide a little caution when it comes to Joan. Vecenie obviously loves him...he had him going 14th in his mock. I don't know the guy who did the writeup at nbadraft.net, but he is Eastern European and has watched Joan play in person, while Vecenie has not and only seen the video available to all of us...mostly highlight reels. There were a lot of highlight reels of Rudy too coming into his draft showing him catching passes and dunking! The first-hand view account said "still learning how to catch and gather in traffic, prone to bobbled passes and awkward sequences under pressure". He also cited his 53% free throwing and .2 assists per game. But keeping it in perspective, he has only played for 4 years, so it's not surprising he is clumsy with the ball. I mostly like the pick because of his upside...his shot blocking sounds like the real deal. But he's young and inexperienced, and very likely will need a couple years in the G League to work on his offense. NBA draft.net calls him a classic boom or bust pick, and I think that's correct. I suspect TC and Finchy don't expect him to see the court this year, but are clinging to a belief that he could be Rudy's replacement when Rudy finally hangs it up, and his backup perhaps by the time he turns 20 or 21. And that would make this a very good pick.

But I think we still need a guy who can backup Rudy this season to allow Naz and Randle to play their natural PF position, and as several of you have pointed out, there are guys available at 31 who might not have Joan's upside, but might be ready to be a rotational center right away. Unless TC has some other big moves in mind (and knowing him, he likely does), I would like to see him draft an NBA-ready center at 31.

[Lipoli390]

The great @Sam_Vecenie on the Wolves taking Joan Beringer:

"This is like the easiest pick in the world. Beringer is a real developmental player. He is an incredible athlete. Like an unbelievable athlete. 6-foot-11, 7-foot-5 wingspan, super long arms, great hands — catches everything in his area. Moves like a wing. Moves at a level that no other big in this class really achieves.

He's just very raw. It's gonna take some time. There is legitimately no better player for Beringer to learn from in the NBA than Rudy Gobert, because this is the exact archetype. This is exactly what it is. So I think this is a great pick from Tim Connelly. I think it makes a ton of sense, and I am a huge fan of what they've done here."

Very nice. Thanks for posting kek. I trust Vecenie far more than the guy who writes the analysis for NBADraft.net.

I like Vecenie also, Lip, but I need to provide a little caution when it comes to Joan. Vecenie obviously loves him...he had him going 14th in his mock. I don't know the guy who did the writeup at nbadraft.net, but he is Eastern European and has watched Joan play in person, while Vecenie has not and only seen the video available to all of us...mostly highlight reels. There were a lot of highlight reels of Rudy too coming into his draft showing him catching passes and dunking! The first-hand view account said "still learning how to catch and gather in traffic, prone to bobbled passes and awkward sequences under pressure". He also cited his 53% free throwing and .2 assists per game. But keeping it in perspective, he has only played for 4 years, so it's not surprising he is clumsy with the ball. I mostly like the pick because of his upside...his shot blocking sounds like the real deal. But he's young and inexperienced, and very likely will need a couple years in the G League to work on his offense. NBA draft.net calls him a classic boom or bust pick, and I think that's correct. I suspect TC and Finchy don't expect him to see the court this year, but are clinging to a belief that he could be Rudy's replacement when Rudy finally hangs it up, and his backup perhaps by the time he turns 20 or 21. And that would make this a very good pick.

But I think we still need a guy who can backup Rudy this season to allow Naz and Randle to play their natural PF position, and as several of you have pointed out, there are guys available at 31 who might not have Joan's upside, but might be ready to be a rotational center right away. Unless TC has some other big moves in mind (and knowing him, he likely does), I would like to see him draft an NBA-ready center at 31.

I’m not so sure Vecenie hasn’t seen Joan live. In fact, I strongly suspect Vecenie has seen more extensive video and not just highlights of Vecenie. Sam isn’t just a rube or fan like us. He’s in the business of scouting draft prospects so he’s not just setting in his living room watching highlight reels.

I remember watching videos of Rudy catching and dunking before he was drafted. That’s part of why I was unhappy the Wolves bizarrely sold for cash a pick they could have used to draft Rudy. However, I don’t recall any of those video highlights including Rudy putting the ball on the floor and driving successfully to the bucket like some of the footage of Joan. I don’t recall highlights of Rudy leaping in the air and saving a ball from out of bounds. Rudy was raw then but not nearly as raw as Joan who has only been playing basketball 4 years.

Joan certainly has a long way to go and no one should expect much if anything from him next season or even the season after that. But his long-term potential is tremendous. I would just caution I against any Rudy comparisons beyond their common heritage and language. Rudy’s standing reach is 4 inches longer than Joan’s. Yet, Joan is far more coordinated and more athletic than Rudy. Now it’s all about the coaching staff helping Joan develop and Rudy can help a lot. In the meantime, I agree the Wolves could benefit in the near term by adding a defensive center to back up Rudy. I don’t think I’d rely on pick 31 for that guy. Instead, we’ll need to find a veteran in free agency or via trade to fit that role. I’m not sure who that guy might be and I wouldn’t give up a lot to get him. Randle for Capela sign-and-trade?

[60WinTim]

Here is Matt Lloyd talking about the pick last night. He mentions several times the importance of basket protection, which is why I am sour on a Randle/NAZ tandem. I read this comment as the Randle/NAZ tandem is not a long term fit for the Wolves. Hmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy1PvfpQAgE

[WildWolf2813]

It's less about a 1:1 comparison to Rudy and having someone we know can replace Rudy when it's time. That's all.


Given what we've seen of Rudy on offense I'd hope Beringer isn't a carbon copy.