Wolves vs Warriors GDT

[TheFuture]

The Wolves made the playoffs organically for the first time in forever.

The Wolves hired a guy who thought it was best to blow it up in order to make his mark. What the hell does he care, he is eating stake.

Did this man not see Rudy get PnR'd to death in the playoffs? How far did he get them with a couple of stars and a good surrounding cast?

Did he not see his lack of overall skill and how it fit with the current stars on the Wolves? Zig-zag, twin towers, yadda yadda. You cannot do this if one guy cannot even effectively post up a pg, nor shoot at all.

I will never understand why the Wolves did not target Myles Turner and Dejaunte Murray if they felt the need to go splash. Both could have potentially been traded for within the Gobert package. Imagine defending Towns and Turner as your twin tower foe.

Hell, standing pat for one more season to see where you stand would have been perfectly fine. Decide on Dlo, Nowell, Reid, Vando, Bev during the season.

This franchise is retarded.

[Lipoli390]

The Wolves made the playoffs organically for the first time in forever.

The Wolves hired a guy who thought it was best to blow it up in order to make his mark. What the hell does he care, he is eating stake.

Did this man not see Rudy get PnR'd to death in the playoffs? How far did he get them with a couple of stars and a good surrounding cast?

Did he not see his lack of overall skill and how it fit with the current stars on the Wolves? Zig-zag, twin towers, yadda yadda. You cannot do this if one guy cannot even effectively post up a pg, nor shoot at all.

I will never understand why the Wolves did not target Myles Turner and Dejaunte Murray if they felt the need to go splash. Both could have potentially been traded for within the Gobert package. Imagine defending Towns and Turner as your twin tower foe.

Hell, standing pat for one more season to see where you stand would have been perfectly fine. Decide on Dlo, Nowell, Reid, Vando, Bev during the season.

This franchise is retarded.

You nailed it, Future. Your point about standing pat for one more season was exactly what the Wolves should have done. The Wolves front office need to see whether what they saw last season was the start of a trend or a fluke. They needed to see whether the then 20-year old Edwards was going to take a huge leap forward and whether they could be certain he was on the road to becoming a star. They needed to see if McDaniels would make a big jump so that he could defend without fouling, hit threes consistently and start to provide some meaningful rebounding from the SF position. Rudy would have been a bad gamble under any circumstances given the questions of fit on this team, but he was an idiotic gamble given the unknowns on this team.

[kekgeek]

The Wolves made the playoffs organically for the first time in forever.

The Wolves hired a guy who thought it was best to blow it up in order to make his mark. What the hell does he care, he is eating stake.

Did this man not see Rudy get PnR'd to death in the playoffs? How far did he get them with a couple of stars and a good surrounding cast?

Did he not see his lack of overall skill and how it fit with the current stars on the Wolves? Zig-zag, twin towers, yadda yadda. You cannot do this if one guy cannot even effectively post up a pg, nor shoot at all.

I will never understand why the Wolves did not target Myles Turner and Dejaunte Murray if they felt the need to go splash. Both could have potentially been traded for within the Gobert package. Imagine defending Towns and Turner as your twin tower foe.

Hell, standing pat for one more season to see where you stand would have been perfectly fine. Decide on Dlo, Nowell, Reid, Vando, Bev during the season.

This franchise is retarded.

You nailed it, Future. Your point about standing pat for one more season was exactly what the Wolves should have done. The Wolves front office need to see whether what they saw last season was the start of a trend or a fluke. They needed to see whether the then 20-year old Edwards was going to take a huge leap forward and whether they could be certain he was on the road to becoming a star. They needed to see if McDaniels would make a big jump so that he could defend without fouling, hit threes consistently and start to provide some meaningful rebounding from the SF position. Rudy would have been a bad gamble under any circumstances given the questions of fit on this team, but he was an idiotic gamble given the unknowns on this team.

Strongly disagree here. It might end up being a massive overpay, still way too early we are 20 games in to a 4 year experiment.

So say we stay pat. Ant still not improving, Pat Bev has arguably been the worst player in the NBA this year from a production standpoint. Instead of having Rudy/rivers/Forbes/knight the wolves would have Vando/Beasley/Kessler/bolmaro.

Based on the poor play from Dlo, Ant, Nowell and the regression of Pat Bev. I don't think the solid play Vando and Beasley this year change anything.

Beasley, Dlo and Pat Bev all become free agents, wolves miss the playoffs. Would looking at a 1-4% chance at Waymbayma or Scoot. Wolves would be coming off a frustrating year, cap space where nobody is coming here. Future cap space is gone with Ant and Mcdaniels extensions upcoming.

So waiting a year more than likely means Kat is traded and rebuild #10 in the last 20 years is incoming with Ant and Mcdaniels on big contracts.

This trade might not work out. We are 5.2% through Rudy contract so it's so early in the process.

I will always push back on its always greener on the other side. We would more than likely be looking at another rebuild/a super tricky spot also if the trade was not made because of Ant not taking that step.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

While I still see a path for success with the current roster assembled, and I've argued that they are figuring it out -- albeit slower than we all would hope -- the above posts accurately represent how I felt before the trade for Rudy Gobert.

I really just wanted to run it back with the majority of the roster from last year while adding to what was already in place. Specifically, I liked the chaotic, gritty, energetic style of last year's team, and I felt like they especially played hard for each other more often than not. I thought they lacked a big body in the frontcourt, another capable hybrid forward, and another shot-creator off the bench -- one that could do more than catch and shoot. All of which could have been acquired during the summer for a whole lot less than what was traded for Gobert, in my opinion.

I also see validity in simply wanting to assess exactly what the Timberwolves had to work with moving forward. Was their successful season last year repeatable? Could that group have gotten even better organically via continuity and improved chemistry? Would a couple of smaller tweaks unlock the roster further? These are questions we won't get the answers to, and I certainly empathize with those who are frustrated by that.

Lastly, I also felt like Minnesota outplayed Memphis for most of their playoff series. Call me crazy, but I still don't think the better team advanced last year. Right or wrong, that's how I feel and I would have liked to have seen that same group come back even hungrier. I think it could have been good for them.

This year's team is still very talented, and when we've seen them clicking they've been great, but it's just not consistent right now. They can't afford to have atrocious shooting nights. They can't afford to come out flat to begin halves. They can't have their best players disappearing for long stretches of play. I do think a lot of this team's issues can be fixed schematically, but the "what if" crowd is fair to wonder about alternative paths.

[Sundog]

Running over the same ground about whether the Gobert trade was a good one or not is just useless thinking. It's a sunk cost and they burned the boats. This is the team the Wolves have. Pining for the good old days pre-Gobert isn't going to change anything.

[Q-is-here]

Running over the same ground about whether the Gobert trade was a good one or not is just useless thinking. It's a sunk cost and they burned the boats. This is the team the Wolves have. Pining for the good old days pre-Gobert isn't going to change anything.

Good point Sundog. Since we're looking forward, what do you think we could get for Rudy and KAT in the trade market? ;-)

[FNG]

Running over the same ground about whether the Gobert trade was a good one or not is just useless thinking. It's a sunk cost and they burned the boats. This is the team the Wolves have. Pining for the good old days pre-Gobert isn't going to change anything.

I get where you're coming from Sundog, and yes, we do get a little repetitive here at times. But I think it's important to evaluate the guy who likely will be making personnel decisions here for a while- Tim Connelly. And the Gobert trade is his biggest move since he came here (followed by his one draft and some free agent signings). I agree that "pining for the good old days" (which some of us have argued weren't really as good as they seemed if you looked under the hood) is useless, but discussion about whether TC is the right guy to be shaping this franchise is a reasonable talker. Right now I'm on Team TC, but I'll admit the poor start to this season has me wavering a little.

[Q-is-here]

It was a gamble. It may not pay off. Part of the clunkiness we're seeing is Finch trying to make it work. He has to. Gobert completely upended our defensive and offensive schemes because he is such a unique player that dictates the way we play in ways completely different from last season.

[Lipoli390]

Running over the same ground about whether the Gobert trade was a good one or not is just useless thinking. It's a sunk cost and they burned the boats. This is the team the Wolves have. Pining for the good old days pre-Gobert isn't going to change anything.

A sunk cost is an investment that can't be recovered - e.g., a marking campaign that your business has already paid for. Rudy's not a sunk cost. He can be moved. Now admittedly, the Wolves' return would be less than they gave up to get him. That's was true the moment they did the deal. But that doesn't mean it was a sunk investment; it just means it was a bad one.

The Gobert deal has created a problem. It's left us with a team that's less than the sum of its parts and unlikely to achieve the success the deal was intended to achieve. So it makes sense to focus on the deal and the impact it's had not just as a nostalgic vent, although venting is essential to cope with the horrible product Connelly has put on the floor. Not talking about folly of the Gobert deal is effectively not talking about the problem. And no problem gets solved if you don't at least acknowledge and talk about it. As a fan, I'm mainly venting, which is one purpose of a sports message board. But for the Wolves organization, they had better be talking about the Gobert deal every day and doing some serious self-reflection as part of figuring out what to do next. None of us knows what tomorrow will bring, but it's clear as clear can be that what the Wolves are putting on the floor isn't working.

[TheFuture]

It was a gamble. It may not pay off. Part of the clunkiness we're seeing is Finch trying to make it work. He has to. Gobert completely upended our defensive and offensive schemes because he is such a unique player that dictates the way we play in ways completely different from last season.

That is the main issue. The GM completely emptied the bank account for a guy who the whole team has to alter for. This wasn't for a player who could just plug into the team who made the playoffs last year - and as Cam said had all the chances to go another round. There is zero continuity from last year to now - offensively or defensively. Everything is overhauled for Gobert. So far, it doesn't look good, and he is already 30 - a lumbering, weak handed, no offensive skill 30.

With all of the cap now tied up, no draft picks. Stupid.