KG4Ever wrote:The Knicks purportedly were the only other team besides the Wolves to make a proposal for DLO to Golden State. I saw a trade proposal on SI.com (link: https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-york-trade-dangelo-russell-minnesota-timberwolves-nba-rumors#gid=ci02a1807010002654&pid=https___dailyknickscom_wp-content_uploads_getty-images_2018_08_1347809025) in which DLO goes to the Knicks for D. Rose, Burks and Noel, plus a first round pick of Dallas. I'd modify the deal to change the pick to a pick swap this year contingent on Dyson Daniels being available at 11. All the Knick players listed have team options so that they could all come off the books at the end of this season. While most teams would rather just draft Dyson Daniels, Thib's is in a win-now mode with his job on the line and may prefer the veteran and push the Knicks front office to do this deal, plus they would get back the 19th pick.
The Knicks won't do this. Just because Gersson Rosas is allowed inside MSG doesn't mean he gets to make a transaction on his own. Besides, Thibs would be heartbroken if he had to give up Rose. Thibs' job is on the hot seat, but not Leon Rose's.
Also, that's a lot of flotsam coming back our way which wouldn't carry much individual value on their own unless they're bought out.
Actually, we could take back Kemba, so Thibs won't be heart broken. Kemba and Nerlens Noel rotted on the bench the second half of the year. The value isn't in the flotsam but the allure would be getting Dyson Daniels in a pick swap. Now if Daniels is off the board, then maybe we look for a different deal. If there aren't good deals to be made, we just hold onto DLO and let his contract expire.
If I were the Knicks I'd take Daniels for myself knowing that the fans would eat up the concept of a Barrett/Daniels backcourt.
It's all moot anyway because I don't think Daniels falls further than 10. He's really cemented himself in that 6-10 range.
Plan A at PG for the Knicks is likely Brunson. If not him, they'll settle for Burks eventually giving Quickley the spot by midseason.
KG4Ever wrote:The Knicks purportedly were the only other team besides the Wolves to make a proposal for DLO to Golden State. I saw a trade proposal on SI.com (link: https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-york-trade-dangelo-russell-minnesota-timberwolves-nba-rumors#gid=ci02a1807010002654&pid=https___dailyknickscom_wp-content_uploads_getty-images_2018_08_1347809025) in which DLO goes to the Knicks for D. Rose, Burks and Noel, plus a first round pick of Dallas. I'd modify the deal to change the pick to a pick swap this year contingent on Dyson Daniels being available at 11. All the Knick players listed have team options so that they could all come off the books at the end of this season. While most teams would rather just draft Dyson Daniels, Thib's is in a win-now mode with his job on the line and may prefer the veteran and push the Knicks front office to do this deal, plus they would get back the 19th pick.
The Knicks won't do this. Just because Gersson Rosas is allowed inside MSG doesn't mean he gets to make a transaction on his own. Besides, Thibs would be heartbroken if he had to give up Rose. Thibs' job is on the hot seat, but not Leon Rose's.
Also, that's a lot of flotsam coming back our way which wouldn't carry much individual value on their own unless they're bought out.
Actually, we could take back Kemba, so Thibs won't be heart broken. Kemba and Nerlens Noel rotted on the bench the second half of the year. The value isn't in the flotsam but the allure would be getting Dyson Daniels in a pick swap. Now if Daniels is off the board, then maybe we look for a different deal. If there aren't good deals to be made, we just hold onto DLO and let his contract expire.
If I were the Knicks I'd take Daniels for myself knowing that the fans would eat up the concept of a Barrett/Daniels backcourt.
It's all moot anyway because I don't think Daniels falls further than 10. He's really cemented himself in that 6-10 range.
Plan A at PG for the Knicks is likely Brunson. If not him, they'll settle for Burks eventually giving Quickley the spot by midseason.
Fun stat: In 3 of the last 4 Knicks games Quickly had triple doubles and the Knicks won.
KG4Ever wrote:The Knicks purportedly were the only other team besides the Wolves to make a proposal for DLO to Golden State. I saw a trade proposal on SI.com (link: https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-york-trade-dangelo-russell-minnesota-timberwolves-nba-rumors#gid=ci02a1807010002654&pid=https___dailyknickscom_wp-content_uploads_getty-images_2018_08_1347809025) in which DLO goes to the Knicks for D. Rose, Burks and Noel, plus a first round pick of Dallas. I'd modify the deal to change the pick to a pick swap this year contingent on Dyson Daniels being available at 11. All the Knick players listed have team options so that they could all come off the books at the end of this season. While most teams would rather just draft Dyson Daniels, Thib's is in a win-now mode with his job on the line and may prefer the veteran and push the Knicks front office to do this deal, plus they would get back the 19th pick.
The Knicks won't do this. Just because Gersson Rosas is allowed inside MSG doesn't mean he gets to make a transaction on his own. Besides, Thibs would be heartbroken if he had to give up Rose. Thibs' job is on the hot seat, but not Leon Rose's.
Also, that's a lot of flotsam coming back our way which wouldn't carry much individual value on their own unless they're bought out.
Actually, we could take back Kemba, so Thibs won't be heart broken. Kemba and Nerlens Noel rotted on the bench the second half of the year. The value isn't in the flotsam but the allure would be getting Dyson Daniels in a pick swap. Now if Daniels is off the board, then maybe we look for a different deal. If there aren't good deals to be made, we just hold onto DLO and let his contract expire.
If I were the Knicks I'd take Daniels for myself knowing that the fans would eat up the concept of a Barrett/Daniels backcourt.
It's all moot anyway because I don't think Daniels falls further than 10. He's really cemented himself in that 6-10 range.
Plan A at PG for the Knicks is likely Brunson. If not him, they'll settle for Burks eventually giving Quickley the spot by midseason.
Yes New York has lots of other point guards to pursue besides DLO. Maybe, Brunson. I don't think Lavine is getting past Chicago, but I could see New York trying to pry him away. Cleveland is open to moving Sexton, so maybe the Knicks might be interested. Bledsoe is also being shopped. Thibs likes oldtimers so there is Westbrook, Dragic and Rajon Rondo. LOL Other hitting free agency include Tyus, Schroder, Oladipo, Delon Wright, Cory Joseph, GPII and Satoransky. I don't think Thibs would consider Rubio or vice versa given their history, but it was fun watching Ricky score 37 on Thibs with a crazy 8 of 9 three pointers.
The Dyson Daniels hype here might be getting a bit overboard. His perimeter shot is really broken both in the catch and shoot and off the dribble variety. He's intriguing because of his physical size, defensive potential, court vision, and ability to facilitate the basketball, but he's lacking arguably the number one skill a guard absolutely has to have at the next level. I don't not like him, but I definitely like him a lot less than others apparently.
Per Twitter (The_Cooler), Givony reports there are rumors NY (11) and Washington (10) could be willing to trade their picks to the Pacers in exchange for Malcolm Brogdon.
Also, Givony has the #Rockets taking TyTy Washington at #17 ahead of Tari Eason.
If we can somehow land Daniels or Eason in the first round, I'll be pretty happy. If we could then land at least two of the following: Koloko, Kris Murray, Justin Lewis, Dom Barlow, Jalen Williams and Andrew Nembhard in the second, I'll be ecstatic.
I think what Cam is asking is "how do we improve" at point guard.
A rookie is definitely not the answer just because their isn't a rookie that's ready to run a team and we don't have a starting quality PG other than DLO
Like I said in my earlier post, and as others have said too, I don't know what's available. What I do know is that it wouldn't be that difficult to replace him. What I think you and Camden fail to see is that it most likely wouldn't be a one for one replacement. It might be a combination of jmac, Beverly and nowell getting more minutes, along with a free agent and/or a rookie also filling the gap. Also, just to clarify, I'm fine with letting Russell expire this year too and making it basically a two year transition to replace him. Dlo freaking sucks as high salary starting point guard on a team with any hopes of competing. The ONLY thing that allowed us to make the playoffs this year was the fact that two of our top 5 players were on rookie contracts, and we were still a first round exit! Some people around here need to pull their heads from their ass and realize if you extend a player like Dlo for even 4/80, you're going to lose the ability to pay better players later. Do you all just blow your pay check every Friday too? And I've got this idiot Camden telling me that I bring no content. It's called quality over quantity guy and I honestly don't care what I bring to this board lol. You can repeat the same stupid thing over and over again, but it doesn't make it right. I guarantee you this new pbo didn't come here to give Dlo any kind of extension. I'm not sure how this is even a debate.
Dude, if you don't get it by now, you're never going to get it. I think a lot of people are seeing that you just don't get it, but they're a lot nicer about it than me :)
I'm imploring you to contribute to the discussion with meaningful insight and/or productive ideas. I would assume you follow the team and have some level of interest in basketball, which makes me think you could potentially construct a useful take at some point.
Unfortunately, I rarely get to see that from you because the large portion of your activity here are comments like the one above where you react to something I've said without elaborating any specific point. No, instead you choose to make personal, snide remarks that don't move any conversation further. I've really tried my best to overlook and ignore them. And I really do put forth an effort to engage with those that disagree with me or something I've said, if for no other reason than to understand the opposing view. I've been unable to do so with you, however, and I think it's because perhaps you don't actually want to talk about basketball with me or anyone else for that matter. It seems like you prefer doing this and I just can't find the value in it.
How am I not talking about basketball? Seriously man, put the shovel down, it's pathetic. I know people like you who will never admit when they're wrong and it always gets irrational. There's nothing wrong with being wrong sometimes. I'm wrong all the time.
Tactical unit wrote:Regular season DLO vs Playoff DLO curious on if the stats tell the same story?
Just from a viewing perspective, it seemed the team was better with J-Mac & Beverley all out hustle style of play.
I think Beverley as the veteran leader and a developing J-Mac could be a net win over DLO. Maybe add rookie guard or another cheap vet guard. Finch seemed to think J-Mac was the answer with everything on the line. If we keep DLO I think he should be moved into 6th man of the year type of role. I've already said this in the past but when he is hot you don't want another player on the court and he would be focused on what he does best, scoring.
It's rather obvious but it really depends on what you can get in return.
It depends on how you evaluate players and the game of basketball in general. For instance, D'Angelo Russell had the second-highest net rating for Minnesota in the playoffs behind Jaden McDaniels. He wasn't nearly as good as that rating would indicate, but he was much better (or less bad) than his terrible shooting would suggest. In any case, it would be unwise and illogical to make personnel decisions based on a single playoff series alone. Should Utah move Donovan Mitchell? What about Atlanta and Trae Young? Two higher usage guards that struggled and came up short in their playoff series. Maybe let's pump the brakes and consider the entire picture.
Patrick Beverley and Jordan McLaughlin cannot replace Russell unless we want to take a serious step back in the wins column. I shouldn't need to expend energy explaining that. It's also unlikely that a rookie or journeyman could give you enough to make up the difference. If Russell is moved or allowed to walk next summer, then the Wolves will have to bring in an outside replacement.
Also, Chris Finch rode the hot hand in a singular moment. Kudos to him for having the courage to bench one of his best players who was struggling, but he'd be the first to tell you that it was situational coaching and nothing more. Watch and/or read his exit interview and you'll see that he willingly shares the blame for how Russell was used in that series. There will be a day for Russell to primarily come off the bench for whatever team he plays for. He's not there yet-- not even close.
I think Finch speaking positive about DLO is more about if he's back he needs the best out of him and why tank his value shitting on him. How he really feels about him = turn the ball over in a critical point in the game with the playoffs on the line and he'd rather trust J-Mac situational or not that action speaks pretty loud to me.
Bev & J-Mac defend better and with the fire power on this team they don't need massive scoring options at every position. With DLO they start him with Bev and ANT at the SF. All year I said the way to get this team to reach a high ceiling was by developing McDaniels, turn him into an up and coming better version of R. Horry at SF then put Ant at SG and now you have something strong. To be fair moving Bev to the bench for McDaniels could be more of a net positive, and still moves ANT to SG.
I disagree with DLO isn't close to a bench type of player, I see him excelling and impacting the game quite a bit in a much more focused role of get buckets 6th man of the year type of role. Basically he comes in, if he's getting buckets you ride his hot hand for as long as it's hot.
I'll continue to say it depends on what you get for him as to weather you trade DLO or not. The focus should be more on upgrading PF and developing McDaniels at SF.
Tactical unit wrote:Regular season DLO vs Playoff DLO curious on if the stats tell the same story?
Just from a viewing perspective, it seemed the team was better with J-Mac & Beverley all out hustle style of play.
I think Beverley as the veteran leader and a developing J-Mac could be a net win over DLO. Maybe add rookie guard or another cheap vet guard. Finch seemed to think J-Mac was the answer with everything on the line. If we keep DLO I think he should be moved into 6th man of the year type of role. I've already said this in the past but when he is hot you don't want another player on the court and he would be focused on what he does best, scoring.
It's rather obvious but it really depends on what you can get in return.
It depends on how you evaluate players and the game of basketball in general. For instance, D'Angelo Russell had the second-highest net rating for Minnesota in the playoffs behind Jaden McDaniels. He wasn't nearly as good as that rating would indicate, but he was much better (or less bad) than his terrible shooting would suggest. In any case, it would be unwise and illogical to make personnel decisions based on a single playoff series alone. Should Utah move Donovan Mitchell? What about Atlanta and Trae Young? Two higher usage guards that struggled and came up short in their playoff series. Maybe let's pump the brakes and consider the entire picture.
Patrick Beverley and Jordan McLaughlin cannot replace Russell unless we want to take a serious step back in the wins column. I shouldn't need to expend energy explaining that. It's also unlikely that a rookie or journeyman could give you enough to make up the difference. If Russell is moved or allowed to walk next summer, then the Wolves will have to bring in an outside replacement.
Also, Chris Finch rode the hot hand in a singular moment. Kudos to him for having the courage to bench one of his best players who was struggling, but he'd be the first to tell you that it was situational coaching and nothing more. Watch and/or read his exit interview and you'll see that he willingly shares the blame for how Russell was used in that series. There will be a day for Russell to primarily come off the bench for whatever team he plays for. He's not there yet-- not even close.
I think Finch speaking positive about DLO is more about if he's back he needs the best out of him and why tank his value shitting on him. How he really feels about him = turn the ball over in a critical point in the game with the playoffs on the line and he'd rather trust J-Mac situational or not that action speaks pretty loud to me.
Bev & J-Mac defend better and with the fire power on this team they don't need massive scoring options at every position. With DLO they start him with Bev and ANT at the SF. All year I said the way to get this team to reach a high ceiling was by developing McDaniels, turn him into an up and coming better version of R. Horry at SF then put Ant at SG and now you have something strong. To be fair moving Bev to the bench for McDaniels could be more of a net positive, and still moves ANT to SG.
I disagree with DLO isn't close to a bench type of player, I see him excelling and impacting the game quite a bit in a much more focused role of get buckets 6th man of the year type of role. Basically he comes in, if he's getting buckets you ride his hot hand for as long as it's hot.
I'll continue to say it depends on what you get for him as to weather you trade DLO or not. The focus should be more on upgrading PF and developing McDaniels at SF.
I personally think Russell has value as an actual PG than a just a get buckets guy. He can do both but he hasn't gotten the balance yet and may never get there. I think it's fair to consider whether he is a valued starter or high level 6th man type but I think after this last season he should get more credit for his PG game and that's a big reason why I've posted as much as I have in this thread.
As for the development of McDaniels yeah it's a likely key to the Wolves taking the next step. Supposedly he will be working out with some vets this year including Kawhi. I'm still someone who believes in his offensive potential as someone that can be more than a 3 and D guy. I think everyone here would be pretty happy if he turned into a Mikel Bridges type offensive player but I think he could be better than that. He showed more signs this season and had a nice playoffs but he still has a long way to go. Hopefully he can get off to a better start than he did this season.
Dlo's not going to agree to a bench role... He's an excellent NBA starting point guard.
A big part of the Dlo problem is that he's not a max player and he's on a max contract. The Wolves can't extend his max contract, and we're not sure anyone will take on that contract even if it's expiring after next season. Hopefully the Wolves can trade him for value, otherwise he'll be their starting point guard next season -- which is ok. Point guard is not a position of critical need for next year.
