Yeah if the Jazz are willing to do that deal I'm like what's wrong with Rudy?!? Basically the Wolves are giving up players that are likely to not be on the wolves ina. Year and a first round pick for a good vet bridge PG and Gobert? I get the salary thing but yeah I would do that. Gobert is signed for 3 more seasons beyond the upcoming i and the last one is a player option at 46.6 million. That sounds like a big number and it is but by then it will be more like 35 million is now. For that few assets I would have to do it. I think there is very small percentage that Utah does that deal.
worldK wrote:With Murray off the market, i would prefer to keep dlo. Dlo is a starting caliber pg who help us win 46 games and there is still upside with this team as it is.
I feel the same way, World. Murray was the one gettable PG who excited me as a (in Finchy's words) "game changer." I can't think of any available free agent or trade target who could step in and be as good as DLO. For example, would Brogdon be an upgrade over DLO? I honestly don't think so. He has a lower salary and his contract isn't expiring, so I could see the value in swapping DLO for him to lower the payroll and provide some longer term continuity. And as much as I like Tyus, I don't think he's as good as DLO. But who knows. It will be interesting to see what Connelly does in the coming weeks.
worldK wrote:With Murray off the market, i would prefer to keep dlo. Dlo is a starting caliber pg who help us win 46 games and there is still upside with this team as it is.
I feel the same way, World. Murray was the one gettable PG who excited me as a (in Finchy's words) "game changer." I can't think of any available free agent or trade target who could step in and be as good as DLO. For example, would Brogdon be an upgrade over DLO? I honestly don't think so. He has a lower salary and his contract isn't expiring, so I could see the value in swapping DLO for him to lower the payroll and provide some longer term continuity. And as much as I like Tyus, I don't think he's as good as DLO. But who knows. It will be interesting to see what Connelly does in the coming weeks.
With Tyus I think you really have to ask yourself is he really the answer at PG? I think everyone here will agree he is more impactful than the basic stats but it's worth mentioning a season ago he shot 32% from 3. He isn't really a scorer and while that has positives there are drawbacks from that too. Even if he isn't the answer at PG getting him signed for a midlevel 4 year deal might still be a good value. The question is is it better than signing a number of other players to a similar deal? Idk in this scenario if the Wolves actually dealt Russell to replace him with Tyus what would be coming back? Would there be at least one useful player so they would improve at another position instead of basically dumping Russell and then adding Tyus?
Let's be honest there have already been a few deals since the season ended that we really didn't see coming. Maybe there are teams out there that would really like Russell. There was a report a while ago Atlanta was kinda interested. That only made so much sense but after they made a move for Murray I think...ok yeah it would make sense they checked in on Russell and then maybe they they ended up discussing Capela. lol
worldK wrote:With Murray off the market, i would prefer to keep dlo. Dlo is a starting caliber pg who help us win 46 games and there is still upside with this team as it is.
I feel the same way, World. Murray was the one gettable PG who excited me as a (in Finchy's words) "game changer." I can't think of any available free agent or trade target who could step in and be as good as DLO. For example, would Brogdon be an upgrade over DLO? I honestly don't think so. He has a lower salary and his contract isn't expiring, so I could see the value in swapping DLO for him to lower the payroll and provide some longer term continuity. And as much as I like Tyus, I don't think he's as good as DLO. But who knows. It will be interesting to see what Connelly does in the coming weeks.
With Tyus I think you really have to ask yourself is he really the answer at PG? I think everyone here will agree he is more impactful than the basic stats but it's worth mentioning a season ago he shot 32% from 3. He isn't really a scorer and while that has positives there are drawbacks from that too. Even if he isn't the answer at PG getting him signed for a midlevel 4 year deal might still be a good value. The question is is it better than signing a number of other players to a similar deal? Idk in this scenario if the Wolves actually dealt Russell to replace him with Tyus what would be coming back? Would there be at least one useful player so they would improve at another position instead of basically dumping Russell and then adding Tyus?
Let's be honest there have already been a few deals since the season ended that we really didn't see coming. Maybe there are teams out there that would really like Russell. There was a report a while ago Atlanta was kinda interested. That only made so much sense but after they made a move for Murray I think...ok yeah it would make sense they checked in on Russell and then maybe they they ended up discussing Capela. lol
Tyus shot 39% last year and 35.2% for career from the three point line, its seems kind of odd that you choose to go back to 2020-21 when the sample size is smaller. When Tyrus started this year, he shot even better at 39.6% from the perimeter. He also has elite assist to turnover rate. As a starter he scored 12.7 points which is just fine when you want your big guns doing most of the scoring. At one point, the Grizzlies were 19-2 with Tyus as a starter, though I have also read that it was 20-6 for year. What's more incredible is Tyus was winning games with the Grizzlies best player off the court.
worldK wrote:With Murray off the market, i would prefer to keep dlo. Dlo is a starting caliber pg who help us win 46 games and there is still upside with this team as it is.
I feel the same way, World. Murray was the one gettable PG who excited me as a (in Finchy's words) "game changer." I can't think of any available free agent or trade target who could step in and be as good as DLO. For example, would Brogdon be an upgrade over DLO? I honestly don't think so. He has a lower salary and his contract isn't expiring, so I could see the value in swapping DLO for him to lower the payroll and provide some longer term continuity. And as much as I like Tyus, I don't think he's as good as DLO. But who knows. It will be interesting to see what Connelly does in the coming weeks.
With Tyus I think you really have to ask yourself is he really the answer at PG? I think everyone here will agree he is more impactful than the basic stats but it's worth mentioning a season ago he shot 32% from 3. He isn't really a scorer and while that has positives there are drawbacks from that too. Even if he isn't the answer at PG getting him signed for a midlevel 4 year deal might still be a good value. The question is is it better than signing a number of other players to a similar deal? Idk in this scenario if the Wolves actually dealt Russell to replace him with Tyus what would be coming back? Would there be at least one useful player so they would improve at another position instead of basically dumping Russell and then adding Tyus?
Let's be honest there have already been a few deals since the season ended that we really didn't see coming. Maybe there are teams out there that would really like Russell. There was a report a while ago Atlanta was kinda interested. That only made so much sense but after they made a move for Murray I think...ok yeah it would make sense they checked in on Russell and then maybe they they ended up discussing Capela. lol
Tyus shot 39% last year and 35.2% for career from the three point line, its seems kind of odd that you choose to go back to 2020-21. When Tyrus started this year, he shot even better at 39.6% from the perimeter. He also has elite assist to turnover rate. As a starter he scored 12.7 points which is just fine when you want your big guns doing most of the scoring.
What about his last year with The Wolves when he shot under 32 percent from 3. Let's be honest here based on Tys pattern this coming year he will shooting poorly from 3. He really isn't a proven good 3 point shooter. How much does that matter? Idk but its something legit to consider. I really like a Tyus a lot but I also have to be realistic about what he is or isn't. Again it's fine if Tyus isn't a big scorer but having a guy in your lineup that doesn't really look to score and isn't really their thing can be a problem. Here is a stat just for fun don't take it too seriously but again it's something to consider. Tyus Jones has attempted 850 regular season 3's in his entire career. Last year in 65 games Russell took 518. We can't overlook flaws in any player.
worldK wrote:With Murray off the market, i would prefer to keep dlo. Dlo is a starting caliber pg who help us win 46 games and there is still upside with this team as it is.
I feel the same way, World. Murray was the one gettable PG who excited me as a (in Finchy's words) "game changer." I can't think of any available free agent or trade target who could step in and be as good as DLO. For example, would Brogdon be an upgrade over DLO? I honestly don't think so. He has a lower salary and his contract isn't expiring, so I could see the value in swapping DLO for him to lower the payroll and provide some longer term continuity. And as much as I like Tyus, I don't think he's as good as DLO. But who knows. It will be interesting to see what Connelly does in the coming weeks.
With Tyus I think you really have to ask yourself is he really the answer at PG? I think everyone here will agree he is more impactful than the basic stats but it's worth mentioning a season ago he shot 32% from 3. He isn't really a scorer and while that has positives there are drawbacks from that too. Even if he isn't the answer at PG getting him signed for a midlevel 4 year deal might still be a good value. The question is is it better than signing a number of other players to a similar deal? Idk in this scenario if the Wolves actually dealt Russell to replace him with Tyus what would be coming back? Would there be at least one useful player so they would improve at another position instead of basically dumping Russell and then adding Tyus?
Let's be honest there have already been a few deals since the season ended that we really didn't see coming. Maybe there are teams out there that would really like Russell. There was a report a while ago Atlanta was kinda interested. That only made so much sense but after they made a move for Murray I think...ok yeah it would make sense they checked in on Russell and then maybe they they ended up discussing Capela. lol
Tyus shot 39% last year and 35.2% for career from the three point line, its seems kind of odd that you choose to go back to 2020-21. When Tyrus started this year, he shot even better at 39.6% from the perimeter. He also has elite assist to turnover rate. As a starter he scored 12.7 points which is just fine when you want your big guns doing most of the scoring.
What about his last year with The Wolves when he shot under 32 percent from 3. Let's be honest here based on Tys pattern this coming year he will shooting poorly from 3. He really isn't a proven good 3 point shooter. How much does that matter? Idk but its something legit to consider. I really like a Tyus a lot but I also have to be realistic about what he is or isn't. Again it's fine if Tyus isn't a big scorer but having a guy in your lineup that doesn't really look to score and isn't really their thing can be a problem. Here is a stat just for fun don't take it too seriously but again it's something to consider. Tyus Jones has attempted 850 regular season 3's in his entire career. Last year in 65 games Russell took 518. We can't overlook flaws in any player.
This year his sample size was quite a bit larger than the year before and he shot 39%. I'd give the 39% more weight as it reflects more recency, larger sample size and came while he was starting more games (close to 40%), which if we signed him he'd likely be the starter. Why do you assume an improvement in three point shooting is not sustainable. I think he's just as likely to improve his shooting as regress, if he gets more playing time and can maintain a rhythm. What is undisputable is how elite he is in the assists to turnover category. That is really what I value even more than his outside shooting. What I also like are the intangibles that Tyus has, he led Duke to a title as a freshmen, he led the Wolves to a summer league finals appearance and when he started this year he lead a Ja Morant less Grizz team to a fantastic record. Finally, he won't get paid probably more than the MLE and having passed on the opportunity to get Murray, I don't know if we have many better options and not sure gambling on Brogdon's health is a better option.
KG4Ever wrote:If the Wolves are considering Rudy, why not consider Ayton as well. He'd be a cheaper and younger option.
Exactly. I'm not against starting two bigs, I'm against paying Rudy's salary. Here's younger and cheaper options that could be really good in that role
kekgeek1 wrote:The little I've was on the Tyus situation is he wants to start. That does not happen hear if Dlo is not traded. I'm still in the don't trade Dlo just to trade dlo
If the Wolves like Tyus more than DLO, it could absolutely happen whether or not DLO is traded.
Sure but I think it would be terrible for team chemistry because Dlo does not suck and he would be benched. You can say suck it up but that's not how it works. Big locker room distraction in my opinion
Yeah, actually Dlo does suck. You should probably come to terms with that :)
worldK wrote:With Murray off the market, i would prefer to keep dlo. Dlo is a starting caliber pg who help us win 46 games and there is still upside with this team as it is.
I feel the same way, World. Murray was the one gettable PG who excited me as a (in Finchy's words) "game changer." I can't think of any available free agent or trade target who could step in and be as good as DLO. For example, would Brogdon be an upgrade over DLO? I honestly don't think so. He has a lower salary and his contract isn't expiring, so I could see the value in swapping DLO for him to lower the payroll and provide some longer term continuity. And as much as I like Tyus, I don't think he's as good as DLO. But who knows. It will be interesting to see what Connelly does in the coming weeks.
With Tyus I think you really have to ask yourself is he really the answer at PG? I think everyone here will agree he is more impactful than the basic stats but it's worth mentioning a season ago he shot 32% from 3. He isn't really a scorer and while that has positives there are drawbacks from that too. Even if he isn't the answer at PG getting him signed for a midlevel 4 year deal might still be a good value. The question is is it better than signing a number of other players to a similar deal? Idk in this scenario if the Wolves actually dealt Russell to replace him with Tyus what would be coming back? Would there be at least one useful player so they would improve at another position instead of basically dumping Russell and then adding Tyus?
Let's be honest there have already been a few deals since the season ended that we really didn't see coming. Maybe there are teams out there that would really like Russell. There was a report a while ago Atlanta was kinda interested. That only made so much sense but after they made a move for Murray I think...ok yeah it would make sense they checked in on Russell and then maybe they they ended up discussing Capela. lol
Tyus shot 39% last year and 35.2% for career from the three point line, its seems kind of odd that you choose to go back to 2020-21. When Tyrus started this year, he shot even better at 39.6% from the perimeter. He also has elite assist to turnover rate. As a starter he scored 12.7 points which is just fine when you want your big guns doing most of the scoring.
What about his last year with The Wolves when he shot under 32 percent from 3. Let's be honest here based on Tys pattern this coming year he will shooting poorly from 3. He really isn't a proven good 3 point shooter. How much does that matter? Idk but its something legit to consider. I really like a Tyus a lot but I also have to be realistic about what he is or isn't. Again it's fine if Tyus isn't a big scorer but having a guy in your lineup that doesn't really look to score and isn't really their thing can be a problem. Here is a stat just for fun don't take it too seriously but again it's something to consider. Tyus Jones has attempted 850 regular season 3's in his entire career. Last year in 65 games Russell took 518. We can't overlook flaws in any player.
This year his sample size was quite a bit larger than the year before and he shot 39%. I'd give the 39% more weight as it reflects more recency, larger sample size and came while he was starting more games (close to 40%), which if we signed him he'd likely be the starter. Why do you assume an improvement in three point shooting is not sustainable. I think he's just as likely to improve his shooting as regress, if he gets more playing time and can maintain a rhythm. What is undisputable is how elite he is in the assists to turnover category. That is really what I value even more than his outside shooting. What I also like are the intangibles that Tyus has, he led Duke to a title as a freshmen, he led the Wolves to a summer league finals appearance and when he started this year he lead a Ja Morant less Grizz team to a fantastic record. Finally, he won't get paid probably more than the MLE and having passed on the opportunity to get Murray, I don't know if we have many better options and not sure gambling on Brogdon's health is a better option.
I'm only suggesting that we can't bank on Tyus Jones shooting well from 3. There is reasonable data to back that up. You make a reasonable case for him shooting better when he plays more etc. This year he shot better as a starter from 3. The previous year he shot worse but that was like 6 games. The first year with Memphis he shot better from 3 but again it was 6 games. Sure this was now years ago but his last season with the Wolves he played almost exactly as many minutes and started the same amount of games 23. He shot better as a starter that year but it was 32.8%. His volume shooting 3's has ticked up a bit playing for Memphis and everyone will agree he is a better player now than he was when he left the Wolves.
To me the question I'm asking...is is he the answer for the Wolves at PG? This isn't about whether he is better than Russell or Brogdon in terms of fit or value or whatever or whoever but is he the guy to help the team be a contender? At the midlevel price he doesn't HAVE to be that guy. Is the plan plan for him to be the guy or is he the guy till we find another guy or Edwards ascends so a different type of player can be the starter next to him? I'm certainly not against signing Tyus.
kekgeek1 wrote:The little I've was on the Tyus situation is he wants to start. That does not happen hear if Dlo is not traded. I'm still in the don't trade Dlo just to trade dlo
If the Wolves like Tyus more than DLO, it could absolutely happen whether or not DLO is traded.
Sure but I think it would be terrible for team chemistry because Dlo does not suck and he would be benched. You can say suck it up but that's not how it works. Big locker room distraction in my opinion
Yeah, actually Dlo does suck. You should probably come to terms with that :)
He really doesn't suck you should come to terms with that. :)
