lipoli390 wrote:By the way, does anyone really believe Rosas or Gupta hasn't already spoken with Wiseman and/or his agent? Does anyone really believe that Rosas has been calling Wiseman's agent and leaving messages with no response? Of course Rosas or Gupta has talked with Wiseman's agent. And if they haven't already spoken with Wiseman, they will before Nov. 18.
I have no idea, but they would be absolutely insane to let Wiseman drop to the Warriors. Do. Not. Let. That. Happen. If they decide to then trade him to Charlotte, so be it. But do NOT let him go to the Warriors!!!!
lipoli390 wrote:By the way, does anyone really believe Rosas or Gupta hasn't already spoken with Wiseman and/or his agent? Does anyone really believe that Rosas has been calling Wiseman's agent and leaving messages with no response? Of course Rosas or Gupta has talked with Wiseman's agent. And if they haven't already spoken with Wiseman, they will before Nov. 18.
I have no idea, but they would be absolutely insane to let Wiseman drop to the Warriors. Do. Not. Let. That. Happen. If they decide to then trade him to Charlotte, so be it. But do NOT let him go to the Warriors!!!!
lipoli390 wrote:By the way, does anyone really believe Rosas or Gupta hasn't already spoken with Wiseman and/or his agent? Does anyone really believe that Rosas has been calling Wiseman's agent and leaving messages with no response? Of course Rosas or Gupta has talked with Wiseman's agent. And if they haven't already spoken with Wiseman, they will before Nov. 18.
I have no idea, but they would be absolutely insane to let Wiseman drop to the Warriors. Do. Not. Let. That. Happen. If they decide to then trade him to Charlotte, so be it. But do NOT let him go to the Warriors!!!!
The Warriors are notorious for the way they manipulate the media/narrative to serve the organization.
I think if it was another organization (without the rings)... they'd be ripped a lot more for how overtly obvious they do this.
I think it's clear the Warriors want to draft Wiseman. It might be because they want to keep him, but more likely it's because of trade scenarios they have in mind. All the more reason for the Wolves to draft him.
I believe the reports that Charlotte is targeting Wiseman and that would present the Wolves with an opportunity to swap the rights to Wiseman for Charlotte's #3 pick and another asset or two. But it could also present an opportunity to swap picks with the Warriors. Perhaps the Warriors would be willing to significantly increase the protection on the Wolves 2021 first round pick in exchange for the rights to Wiseman. That's plausible if the Warriors have a deal in the works to swap Wiseman for something they really want.
The point is this. The Wolves control this draft via the #1 pick. They absolutely cannot relinquish that control for any reason, including reports (whether true or false) that certain players don't want the Wolves to draft them. I think it's becoming increasingly clear that Wiseman is the most coveted player in this year's draft. He may not have been the most coveted a month ago. But after workouts and all the due diligence teams have done over the past several months, I'm fairly certain that Wiseman has risen to the top of most draft boards. Cream always rises and when you look at what all the draft prospects bring to the table, Wiseman is clearly the cream of this year's draft.
This draft will tell us whether the Rosas regime is a typically inept Wolves front office or something different. Is this year's front office the one that fumbled the ball like last year when they traded up for Garland and ended up with Culver while passing on the chance to draft Herro and acquire other value for Saric? Or is this a front office one that will make savvy use of the good fortune that befell them when they landed the #1 pick? I think Rosas made a rookie mistake last year and I expect him to be a lot smarter this year. Moreover, it he didn't have Gupta for last year's draft. So I"m nervous, but I'm hopeful that this Wolves front office will get it right.
Bad teams routinely have players that dont want to play for them. Its a unique problem for losers in all sports. The core of the story is probably true and it is likely becoming a bit complicated for the Wolves to deal with it. If Wiseman is there top guy I hope they have the balls to draft him anyway, but history probably isnt working in our favor on this one. Im sure the Wolves have communicated with Wiseman already. But if Im him, of course Id rather play for the Warriors. He'd get tons of playing time on a winner if hes as good a people here are trying to make him out to be.
thedoper wrote:Bad teams routinely have players that dont want to play for them. Its a unique problem for losers in all sports. The core of the story is probably true and it is likely becoming a bit complicated for the Wolves to deal with it. If Wiseman is there top guy I hope they have the balls to draft him anyway, but history probably isnt working in our favor on this one. Im sure the Wolves have communicated with Wiseman already. But if Im him, of course Id rather play for the Warriors. He'd get tons of playing time on a winner if hes as good a people here are trying to make him out to be.
I'm going to go all Kahnsy on you here.....Wiseman has literally no leverage. If anything, his not wanting to come to Minnesota makes me want to draft him even more because a) it sends a signal to other future prospects that we don't give a shit about your silly preferences - that's not how it works in the NBA, b) it also sends a signal to other agents, front offices and media folks that fan the flames of this type of narrative that we could care less, and c) they can still trade him anyway.
Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?
Not going to lie Q, I laughed.
And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.
And Rubio! And Ty Lawson!
If you guys wanna torture yourselves more this awful year, go back and look at the whole 2009 draft and see the former wolves and the 2nd rounders we passed on. It didn't stop after Curry.
I don't have a problem with the Rubio pick, and still feel like that was the right pick. The problem was that they picked Flynn #6 over Curry (a historic 3 point shooter and great passer to go with a playmaking passer who defers like Rubio would have been great if you ask me). Thinking back at that draft off memory, I can't think of anyone else available at #6 that would have been a more obvious pick than Curry there, aside potentially DeRozan (who would have also been a much better pick than Flynn). I was actually impressed that Kahn was able to turn an aging Mike Miller (who was going to leave in a year anyway) and Randy Foye into the #5 pick (Rubio). It's a shame he blew the other side of that at #6.
I agree, Hockey. I was at the Wolves draft party back then. The Rubio pick whipped the crowd into a state of euphoria. Then the crowd quickly turned to chants of Curry, Curry. Just about everyone there thought the Wolves would and should draft Curry. But then David Kahn did his thing.
Note that Curry's reason for not wanting the Wolves to draft him had nothing to with the Wolves as a franchise or the Minnesota weather. His only reason was that he wanted to play PG and the Wolves had just drafted Rubio. That shouldn't have mattered to Kahn. You draft the guy you consider the best player for your franchise regardless of that player's preference.
Which makes it clear why Kahn drafted Flynn over Curry. It was simply about his view of their talent which Kahn has admitted at least a couple times. He drafted another PG and said he and Rubio could play together. It wasn't because Curry didn't work out for him or whatever it was that Kahn simply had Flynn ranked higher. I'm still mad he didn't extract value out of Curry it seemed clear multiple teams really wanted him.
Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?
Not going to lie Q, I laughed.
And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.
And Rubio! And Ty Lawson!
If you guys wanna torture yourselves more this awful year, go back and look at the whole 2009 draft and see the former wolves and the 2nd rounders we passed on. It didn't stop after Curry.
I don't have a problem with the Rubio pick, and still feel like that was the right pick. The problem was that they picked Flynn #6 over Curry (a historic 3 point shooter and great passer to go with a playmaking passer who defers like Rubio would have been great if you ask me). Thinking back at that draft off memory, I can't think of anyone else available at #6 that would have been a more obvious pick than Curry there, aside potentially DeRozan (who would have also been a much better pick than Flynn). I was actually impressed that Kahn was able to turn an aging Mike Miller (who was going to leave in a year anyway) and Randy Foye into the #5 pick (Rubio). It's a shame he blew the other side of that at #6.
I agree, Hockey. I was at the Wolves draft party back then. The Rubio pick whipped the crowd into a state of euphoria. Then the crowd quickly turned to chants of Curry, Curry. Just about everyone there thought the Wolves would and should draft Curry. But then David Kahn did his thing.
Note that Curry's reason for not wanting the Wolves to draft him had nothing to with the Wolves as a franchise or the Minnesota weather. His only reason was that he wanted to play PG and the Wolves had just drafted Rubio. That shouldn't have mattered to Kahn. You draft the guy you consider the best player for your franchise regardless of that player's preference.
Which makes it clear why Kahn drafted Flynn over Curry. It was simply about his view of their talent which Kahn has admitted at least a couple times. He drafted another PG and said he and Rubio could play together. It wasn't because Curry didn't work out for him or whatever it was that Kahn simply had Flynn ranked higher. I'm still mad he didn't extract value out of Curry it seemed clear multiple teams really wanted him.
The warriors, knicks and bobcats were hot for curry. We could have extracted some good assets in return and still end up with flynn(if kahn was so high on him) or derozan. Kahn screwed that particular pick up.
Which is why rosas cant screw up this draft. Wiseman should be the only choice to draft @1.
Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?
Not going to lie Q, I laughed.
And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.
And Rubio! And Ty Lawson!
If you guys wanna torture yourselves more this awful year, go back and look at the whole 2009 draft and see the former wolves and the 2nd rounders we passed on. It didn't stop after Curry.
I don't have a problem with the Rubio pick, and still feel like that was the right pick. The problem was that they picked Flynn #6 over Curry (a historic 3 point shooter and great passer to go with a playmaking passer who defers like Rubio would have been great if you ask me). Thinking back at that draft off memory, I can't think of anyone else available at #6 that would have been a more obvious pick than Curry there, aside potentially DeRozan (who would have also been a much better pick than Flynn). I was actually impressed that Kahn was able to turn an aging Mike Miller (who was going to leave in a year anyway) and Randy Foye into the #5 pick (Rubio). It's a shame he blew the other side of that at #6.
I agree, Hockey. I was at the Wolves draft party back then. The Rubio pick whipped the crowd into a state of euphoria. Then the crowd quickly turned to chants of Curry, Curry. Just about everyone there thought the Wolves would and should draft Curry. But then David Kahn did his thing.
Note that Curry's reason for not wanting the Wolves to draft him had nothing to with the Wolves as a franchise or the Minnesota weather. His only reason was that he wanted to play PG and the Wolves had just drafted Rubio. That shouldn't have mattered to Kahn. You draft the guy you consider the best player for your franchise regardless of that player's preference.
Which makes it clear why Kahn drafted Flynn over Curry. It was simply about his view of their talent which Kahn has admitted at least a couple times. He drafted another PG and said he and Rubio could play together. It wasn't because Curry didn't work out for him or whatever it was that Kahn simply had Flynn ranked higher. I'm still mad he didn't extract value out of Curry it seemed clear multiple teams really wanted him.
monsterpile wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
mrhockey89 wrote:
BizarroJerry wrote:
mrhockey89 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?
Not going to lie Q, I laughed.
And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.
And Rubio! And Ty Lawson!
If you guys wanna torture yourselves more this awful year, go back and look at the whole 2009 draft and see the former wolves and the 2nd rounders we passed on. It didn't stop after Curry.
I don't have a problem with the Rubio pick, and still feel like that was the right pick. The problem was that they picked Flynn #6 over Curry (a historic 3 point shooter and great passer to go with a playmaking passer who defers like Rubio would have been great if you ask me). Thinking back at that draft off memory, I can't think of anyone else available at #6 that would have been a more obvious pick than Curry there, aside potentially DeRozan (who would have also been a much better pick than Flynn). I was actually impressed that Kahn was able to turn an aging Mike Miller (who was going to leave in a year anyway) and Randy Foye into the #5 pick (Rubio). It's a shame he blew the other side of that at #6.
I agree, Hockey. I was at the Wolves draft party back then. The Rubio pick whipped the crowd into a state of euphoria. Then the crowd quickly turned to chants of Curry, Curry. Just about everyone there thought the Wolves would and should draft Curry. But then David Kahn did his thing.
Note that Curry's reason for not wanting the Wolves to draft him had nothing to with the Wolves as a franchise or the Minnesota weather. His only reason was that he wanted to play PG and the Wolves had just drafted Rubio. That shouldn't have mattered to Kahn. You draft the guy you consider the best player for your franchise regardless of that player's preference.
Which makes it clear why Kahn drafted Flynn over Curry. It was simply about his view of their talent which Kahn has admitted at least a couple times. He drafted another PG and said he and Rubio could play together. It wasn't because Curry didn't work out for him or whatever it was that Kahn simply had Flynn ranked higher. I'm still mad he didn't extract value out of Curry it seemed clear multiple teams really wanted him.
If I am Rosas I call up GSW and tell them I'm drafting Wiseman. If they are interested in him we may consider a deal swapping picks plus getting our 1st rounder back.
