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That would be an elite offensive trio. Each player wouldn't have to carry the scoring load day in and out and would be able to play more defense too. I think defensively they would all improve if slightly.

Back to the offense, would be like the Cassel Spree and KG days. Each guy gives you 20+ a night. Not much for the role players to do but stand in the corners and hit open 3's. Play some defense. KAT brings the big out of the paint as he sits up top leaving the driving lanes open for Booker and DLo to score.
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WolvesFan21 wrote:That would be an elite offensive trio. Each player wouldn't have to carry the scoring load day in and out and would be able to play more defense too. I think defensively they would all improve if slightly.

Back to the offense, would be like the Cassel Spree and KG days. Each guy gives you 20+ a night. Not much for the role players to do but stand in the corners and hit open 3's. Play some defense. KAT brings the big out of the paint as he sits up top leaving the driving lanes open for Booker and DLo to score.


Spree and KG played defense though....

A better comparison may be those Seattle Supersonics teams of the late 80s with Dale Ellis, Tom Chambers, and Xavier McDaniel. There was a couple years where all three averaged 20+ PPG. They never won more than 50 games though because their defense was mediocre. That would certainly pose a problem for us if we picked up Booker or Beal to go along with our two existing turnstiles.
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thedoper wrote:
Camden0916 wrote:
thedoper wrote:If Booker is anywhere near reachable for us we empty the barrels to get him.


One of those "we'll figure out the rest later" situations.


Getting 3 potential stars that young would be unprecedented. You absolutely have to do it. Its not like we have any breakout stars waiting in the wings on this team. Every one of our role players is replacable.


What would your offer be?
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Q12543 wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:That would be an elite offensive trio. Each player wouldn't have to carry the scoring load day in and out and would be able to play more defense too. I think defensively they would all improve if slightly.

Back to the offense, would be like the Cassel Spree and KG days. Each guy gives you 20+ a night. Not much for the role players to do but stand in the corners and hit open 3's. Play some defense. KAT brings the big out of the paint as he sits up top leaving the driving lanes open for Booker and DLo to score.


Spree and KG played defense though....

A better comparison may be those Seattle Supersonics teams of the late 80s with Dale Ellis, Tom Chambers, and Xavier McDaniel. There was a couple years where all three averaged 20+ PPG. They never won more than 50 games though because their defense was mediocre. That would certainly pose a problem for us if we picked up Booker or Beal to go along with our two existing turnstiles.


That Seattle 'big three' didn't shoot many threes, though. Why I bring that up is that in the case of a Towns, Booker, and Russell trio their three-point shooting -- with heavy volume -- would be almost unmatched in NBA history. Obviously, the Golden State Warriors with Curry, Thompson, and Durant bests them, but has any other trio shot the three better at comparable volume than a potential Towns, Booker, and Russell trio? I'd say no.
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Camden0916 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:That would be an elite offensive trio. Each player wouldn't have to carry the scoring load day in and out and would be able to play more defense too. I think defensively they would all improve if slightly.

Back to the offense, would be like the Cassel Spree and KG days. Each guy gives you 20+ a night. Not much for the role players to do but stand in the corners and hit open 3's. Play some defense. KAT brings the big out of the paint as he sits up top leaving the driving lanes open for Booker and DLo to score.


Spree and KG played defense though....

A better comparison may be those Seattle Supersonics teams of the late 80s with Dale Ellis, Tom Chambers, and Xavier McDaniel. There was a couple years where all three averaged 20+ PPG. They never won more than 50 games though because their defense was mediocre. That would certainly pose a problem for us if we picked up Booker or Beal to go along with our two existing turnstiles.


That Seattle 'big three' didn't shoot many threes, though. Why I bring that up is that in the case of a Towns, Booker, and Russell trio their three-point shooting -- with heavy volume -- would be almost unmatched in NBA history. Obviously, the Golden State Warriors with Curry, Thompson, and Durant bests them, but has any other trio shot the three better at comparable volume than a potential Towns, Booker, and Russell trio? I'd say no.


That would be so fun to watch with three deep three threats. The defense would be tough to watch, but I think it is easier to fill that skillset.

Looking at the Davis trade, the Lakers gave up Lonzo, Ingram, Hart, and 3 firsts. Davis is a top 5 player.

The Clippers got manhandled by OKC in comparison for Paul George. Yet, he was a MVP candidate at the time.

While Booker is great, I wouldn't yet put him at their level, even with George's no-show in the playoffs this year.

Could the Wolves get it done with #1, 2023 1st, 2025 first, JJ, Beasley S/T?
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To be brutally honest... if I'm Gersson Rosas... I wouldn't be against putting anything on the table outside of Karl-Anthony Towns or D'Angelo Russell for either Ben Simmons or Devin Booker. The first overall pick, 17th overall pick, future firsts, Jarrett Culver, Malik Beasley, Josh Okogie, Naz Reid, etc. Any combination that can work, I would do. I'm all in, for my poker players out there.

Finding a supporting cast -- finding role players -- is so much easier and more feasible than acquiring star level talent, especially stars that fit together. That's common sense on this board and I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence by saying it. I have to imagine that Rosas has the same view considering he discovered some handy, cheap talent last off-season and at the deadline.

Also, I would imagine that a team that rosters Towns, Booker, and Russell would become an attractive free agent destination. Our odds of becoming anything legitimately close to a contender are just so much better with three stars in hand than relying on draft picks and development.
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Camden0916 wrote:To be brutally honest... if I'm Gersson Rosas... I wouldn't be against putting anything on the table outside of Karl-Anthony Towns or D'Angelo Russell for either Ben Simmons or Devin Booker. The first overall pick, 17th overall pick, future firsts, Jarrett Culver, Malik Beasley, Josh Okogie, Naz Reid, etc. Any combination that can work, I would do. I'm all in, for my poker players out there.

Finding a supporting cast -- finding role players -- is so much easier and more feasible than acquiring star level talent, especially stars that fit together. That's common sense on this board and I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence by saying it. I have to imagine that Rosas has the same view considering he discovered some handy, cheap talent last off-season and at the deadline.

Also, I would imagine that a team that rosters Towns, Booker, and Russell would become an attractive free agent destination. Our odds of becoming anything legitimately close to a contender are just so much better with three stars in hand than relying on draft picks and development.


Just curious would you do Russell and #1 for Simmons?
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kekgeek1 wrote:
Camden0916 wrote:To be brutally honest... if I'm Gersson Rosas... I wouldn't be against putting anything on the table outside of Karl-Anthony Towns or D'Angelo Russell for either Ben Simmons or Devin Booker. The first overall pick, 17th overall pick, future firsts, Jarrett Culver, Malik Beasley, Josh Okogie, Naz Reid, etc. Any combination that can work, I would do. I'm all in, for my poker players out there.

Finding a supporting cast -- finding role players -- is so much easier and more feasible than acquiring star level talent, especially stars that fit together. That's common sense on this board and I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence by saying it. I have to imagine that Rosas has the same view considering he discovered some handy, cheap talent last off-season and at the deadline.

Also, I would imagine that a team that rosters Towns, Booker, and Russell would become an attractive free agent destination. Our odds of becoming anything legitimately close to a contender are just so much better with three stars in hand than relying on draft picks and development.


Just curious would you do Russell and #1 for Simmons?


I'd feel confident that I could get a deal done for Simmons without giving up Russell. The appeal of Simmons is lessened if Russell is headed out the door, in my opinion.

Simmons is quite clearly the better player between the two, but my initial reaction is that Russell and James Wiseman would be too much. I'm probably alone on that, but here I stand.

I would want something else in return to provide balance... or just remove Russell and compile more assets.
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Camden0916 wrote:To be brutally honest... if I'm Gersson Rosas... I wouldn't be against putting anything on the table outside of Karl-Anthony Towns or D'Angelo Russell for either Ben Simmons or Devin Booker. The first overall pick, 17th overall pick, future firsts, Jarrett Culver, Malik Beasley, Josh Okogie, Naz Reid, etc. Any combination that can work, I would do. I'm all in, for my poker players out there.

Finding a supporting cast -- finding role players -- is so much easier and more feasible than acquiring star level talent, especially stars that fit together. That's common sense on this board and I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence by saying it. I have to imagine that Rosas has the same view considering he discovered some handy, cheap talent last off-season and at the deadline.

Also, I would imagine that a team that rosters Towns, Booker, and Russell would become an attractive free agent destination. Our odds of becoming anything legitimately close to a contender are just so much better with three stars in hand than relying on draft picks and development.


I agree Cam. Those 3 guys would certainly be really something together and I think out of the 3 one of them would take a meaningful step forward on D.
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Camden0916 wrote:To be brutally honest... if I'm Gersson Rosas... I wouldn't be against putting anything on the table outside of Karl-Anthony Towns or D'Angelo Russell for either Ben Simmons or Devin Booker. The first overall pick, 17th overall pick, future firsts, Jarrett Culver, Malik Beasley, Josh Okogie, Naz Reid, etc. Any combination that can work, I would do. I'm all in, for my poker players out there.

Finding a supporting cast -- finding role players -- is so much easier and more feasible than acquiring star level talent, especially stars that fit together. That's common sense on this board and I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence by saying it. I have to imagine that Rosas has the same view considering he discovered some handy, cheap talent last off-season and at the deadline.

Also, I would imagine that a team that rosters Towns, Booker, and Russell would become an attractive free agent destination. Our odds of becoming anything legitimately close to a contender are just so much better with three stars in hand than relying on draft picks and development.


Yes. Really whatever it takes outside of Russell and Towns. Booker and Simmons are not anthony Davis, but proven assets are worth getting rid of potential assets. This has been shown repeatedly in the NBA.
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