jester1534 wrote:Lol that Rubio layup winning plays
But hey +1 tonight bazinga
That +1 should tell you all you need to know about plus-minus as a stat.
Hou v Min
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Camden [enjin:6601484]
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That +1 should tell you all you need to know about plus-minus as a stat.
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Jester1534
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Change your face everyone have a drink we got a W
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Glad I didn't turn it off. I guess...
KAT played with more focus. McDaniels continues to be so solid. And Edwards finished the game on the bench.
KAT played with more focus. McDaniels continues to be so solid. And Edwards finished the game on the bench.
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LOL. What a putrid game.
I had to fast forward it in the 3rd... but damn... am I glad that I turned it on for the final 5 minutes. Not because it was exciting or good basketball. The Wolves were mostly terrible. The Rockets were trying to lose and told John Wall they'd break his legs if he didn't throw the game, right? RIGHT?!?
That was the worst two-way basketball I may have ever seen. Some of those back-and-forth fuckups were comically bad.
Good gawd. Everybody is worse for having played that game. Or watched it.
YUCK.
I had to fast forward it in the 3rd... but damn... am I glad that I turned it on for the final 5 minutes. Not because it was exciting or good basketball. The Wolves were mostly terrible. The Rockets were trying to lose and told John Wall they'd break his legs if he didn't throw the game, right? RIGHT?!?
That was the worst two-way basketball I may have ever seen. Some of those back-and-forth fuckups were comically bad.
Good gawd. Everybody is worse for having played that game. Or watched it.
YUCK.
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Jester1534
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:LOL. What a putrid game.
I had to fast forward it in the 3rd... but damn... am I glad that I turned it on for the final 5 minutes. Not because it was exciting or good basketball. The Wolves were mostly terrible. The Rockets were trying to lose and told John Wall they'd break his legs if he didn't throw the game, right? RIGHT?!?
That was the worst two-way basketball I may have ever seen. Some of those back-and-forth fuckups were comically bad.
Good gawd. Everybody is worse for having played that game. Or watched it.
YUCK.
Change your face Abe we won the game
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Jester1534 wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:LOL. What a putrid game.
I had to fast forward it in the 3rd... but damn... am I glad that I turned it on for the final 5 minutes. Not because it was exciting or good basketball. The Wolves were mostly terrible. The Rockets were trying to lose and told John Wall they'd break his legs if he didn't throw the game, right? RIGHT?!?
That was the worst two-way basketball I may have ever seen. Some of those back-and-forth fuckups were comically bad.
Good gawd. Everybody is worse for having played that game. Or watched it.
YUCK.
Change your face Abe we won the game
Yes. A win is a win.
Even when it comes from a team that was 1 - 21 in its last 22 games blowing a 16 point game by going scoreless to close the game.
I expect a much easier win tonight.
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A terrible game between two bad teams. As KAT said, the Wolves didn't deserve to win. But I'd add that neither did the Rockets. I'm sorry we won because it diminishes our chances of finishing in the bottom three for the best odds at keeping our pick.
Were there any positives for the Wolves from last night's game? I'd say the answer is yes, in spite of how putrid the Wolves were for most of the game. Here they are:
1. Juancho' s Breakout Game. H-Gomez looked like the player Rosas apparently saw when trading for him and then signing him to a $7M per year contract. He was making shots, including open threes. That's what he has to do, at a minimum, to merit any playing time. More than his shooting, I really liked his hustle and aggressiveness, which the box score reflected in his 9 rebounds. That last rebound he made at the end of the game was emblematic of his hustle. He really went all out to get that ball and seal the victory. I'm not going to delude myself into thinking Juancho is worth his contract or that he's a good fit for this defensively challenged team. However, it was good to see him look like an NBA player for the first time this season.
2. KAT's 4th Quarter. Towns was pretty bad most of the night as he missed shots, made bad decisions with the ball and constantly whined to the officials while failing to get back on defense. But he really came through in the 4th. He's the main reason the Wolves had that 4th quarter comeback with his timely three-pointers and aggressive rebounding. That's the second time in the last week that KAT has been clutch in three 4th, which is a good sign in his development.
3. Nowell's Solid Play. Some might think I'm reaching here given Nowell's poor shooting last night. But he was solid and the team was much better with him in the game instead of Edwards. Even though the eye chart seemed a bit blurry for Nowell again last night, he was solid with the ball, defended well, made good decisions and hustled. Note that he had 5 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 steals. So he came up pretty big in the do-shit categories and those stats were, in my view, confirmed by the eye test.
4. McDaniels. Our "other rookie' was far and away the biggest positive for the Wolves last night. He was perfect from the field, behind the arc and at the line as he scored 14 highly efficient points. And that's all in addition to his usual terrific defense. Yes, he's had some not so good games lately and I still wonder what lurks behind the curtain that caused him to drop so far in the draft in spite of his obvious talent and reputation coming out of high school. But he has an elite combination of length, athleticism, skills and basketball IQ. I have no doubt he has the potential to become an elite player. Will that happen? I won't venture a prediction, but for me he's the brightest spot on this Wolves roster right now.
Were there any positives for the Wolves from last night's game? I'd say the answer is yes, in spite of how putrid the Wolves were for most of the game. Here they are:
1. Juancho' s Breakout Game. H-Gomez looked like the player Rosas apparently saw when trading for him and then signing him to a $7M per year contract. He was making shots, including open threes. That's what he has to do, at a minimum, to merit any playing time. More than his shooting, I really liked his hustle and aggressiveness, which the box score reflected in his 9 rebounds. That last rebound he made at the end of the game was emblematic of his hustle. He really went all out to get that ball and seal the victory. I'm not going to delude myself into thinking Juancho is worth his contract or that he's a good fit for this defensively challenged team. However, it was good to see him look like an NBA player for the first time this season.
2. KAT's 4th Quarter. Towns was pretty bad most of the night as he missed shots, made bad decisions with the ball and constantly whined to the officials while failing to get back on defense. But he really came through in the 4th. He's the main reason the Wolves had that 4th quarter comeback with his timely three-pointers and aggressive rebounding. That's the second time in the last week that KAT has been clutch in three 4th, which is a good sign in his development.
3. Nowell's Solid Play. Some might think I'm reaching here given Nowell's poor shooting last night. But he was solid and the team was much better with him in the game instead of Edwards. Even though the eye chart seemed a bit blurry for Nowell again last night, he was solid with the ball, defended well, made good decisions and hustled. Note that he had 5 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 steals. So he came up pretty big in the do-shit categories and those stats were, in my view, confirmed by the eye test.
4. McDaniels. Our "other rookie' was far and away the biggest positive for the Wolves last night. He was perfect from the field, behind the arc and at the line as he scored 14 highly efficient points. And that's all in addition to his usual terrific defense. Yes, he's had some not so good games lately and I still wonder what lurks behind the curtain that caused him to drop so far in the draft in spite of his obvious talent and reputation coming out of high school. But he has an elite combination of length, athleticism, skills and basketball IQ. I have no doubt he has the potential to become an elite player. Will that happen? I won't venture a prediction, but for me he's the brightest spot on this Wolves roster right now.
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To follow up on my last post on the positives for the Wolves in this terrible game last night, here are a few of the biggest negatives:
1. Rubio. I don't think I've ever seen an NBA player miss more layups than Ricky over the course of his career. We saw that again last night. No doubt he's significantly better now than he was at the beginning of the season. But that's still not good enough. We are well beyond any Covid explanation right now. The fact is that Rubio, who has never been super quick, has lost a step since his first stint with the Wolves. I'd add that his passing isn't as crisp and his decision-making isn't as good. I can't explain it and in my view it's not worth explaining. I'll just come back to my opinion on draft day that trading for Ricky was a bad idea. Maybe he's helped Ant, but I have my doubts since the Ant we've seen this season is the same player we saw in college.
2. Ant. Once again, Ant put on another clinic in inefficient shooting. If Ant's shots aren't falling at a high rate, he's a significant net negative to the team. Last night confirmed for me that LaMello Ball will AND SHOULD win rookie of the year honors this season. Ant is definitely gifted, but he has a long, long way to go.
3. Culver. I know he didn't play, but that's the point. Was he hurt again? In any event, I can't think of a bigger negative from last night's game than the fact that our #6 pick in the draft before last season didn't get even one minute of court time in a game when Okogie wasn't available and all the other guards and wings were putrid.
Meanwhile, we continue to wait for the triumphant returns of DLO and Beasley to carry us out of the bottom three and ensure that we won't keep our 2021 draft pick.
1. Rubio. I don't think I've ever seen an NBA player miss more layups than Ricky over the course of his career. We saw that again last night. No doubt he's significantly better now than he was at the beginning of the season. But that's still not good enough. We are well beyond any Covid explanation right now. The fact is that Rubio, who has never been super quick, has lost a step since his first stint with the Wolves. I'd add that his passing isn't as crisp and his decision-making isn't as good. I can't explain it and in my view it's not worth explaining. I'll just come back to my opinion on draft day that trading for Ricky was a bad idea. Maybe he's helped Ant, but I have my doubts since the Ant we've seen this season is the same player we saw in college.
2. Ant. Once again, Ant put on another clinic in inefficient shooting. If Ant's shots aren't falling at a high rate, he's a significant net negative to the team. Last night confirmed for me that LaMello Ball will AND SHOULD win rookie of the year honors this season. Ant is definitely gifted, but he has a long, long way to go.
3. Culver. I know he didn't play, but that's the point. Was he hurt again? In any event, I can't think of a bigger negative from last night's game than the fact that our #6 pick in the draft before last season didn't get even one minute of court time in a game when Okogie wasn't available and all the other guards and wings were putrid.
Meanwhile, we continue to wait for the triumphant returns of DLO and Beasley to carry us out of the bottom three and ensure that we won't keep our 2021 draft pick.
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I got a kick out of reading the GDT this morning, fellas...some good humor!
My admittedly homer positive spin on last night's game: This was the Wolves doing to a worse team what has been done to us most of our history. Sleep walk through 3 1/2 quarters and then turn it on to win. When they substituted Jaden and Ricky back in and benched Ant down 15 with 7 minutes to go, I said to myself "Damn, these losers are going to win, and I don't think I'm going to feel good about it". Well, they did...and I don't.
Realistic analysis of last night's game: KAT, Rubio, Edwards and Nowell took 64 shots and made a quarter of them. We won this game only because Houston is terrible and didn't care. Silas must have told Wall to quit distributing in the 4th quarter (he had 15 assists as Houston was killing us), and start forcing shots (25% shooting and 7 TOs). And he clearly told his defense to not double KAT in the 4th like they did early in the game, even though he was scoring with ease and didn't have to pass the ball (5 TO's) with only one guy on him. If Silas wasn't ordered to tank the game, he should be fired today.
Like Abe, I also fast forwarded the third quarter and half the 4th until Finch's substitutions with 7 minutes less...I couldn't watch the Wolves' terrible play up until then, but I had to admit I was curious to see how the hell Houston was going to inevitably blow this game. I wasn't disappointed.
Pssst, Ant...McLemore is your guy. And even though he has been a major disappointment in the NBA, he's going to drain open threes. Here's a thought...guard him!
Hey Jaden- thanks for being a bright spot in a dreadful season...somebody in your past really taught you how to play basketball. And thanks for being the steady veteran on the court and quieting down our rookie KAT. What, your only 20 and KAT is the veteran? Coulda fooled me.
Ricky- Okay, 8 assists and 1 turnover is nice, but don't get a swelled head because the Rockets decided not to play any defense in the 4th quarter. And don't think we didn't notice you were 0-7 including an open layup at a critical time.
Hey Vando- where did that guy go who at the start of the season made every offensive rebound a 50/50 ball...where's your effort on the offensive boards that we all loved at the start of the season. Any game in which you have more 3-point attempts (or air balls) than offensive rebounds is a failure. Good on Finch for benching your ass.
Hey Juancho, welcome back. We see that you are slowly getting back to the excellent per 36 numbers you put up last year. Your 3-point percentage still lags, but we do see that you are making them at last year's rate since Finch started. You still can't play defense, so you're worthless if you're not scoring (cough, cough...are you paying attention Malik and DLO?). but we'll let you share the game ball with Jaden.
PMP alert:
1) Lip is right that Nowell played very well despite his 4-14 shooting. His 5 assists, 5 rebounds and 3 steals were why Finch gave him 30 minutes, and he earned his +15.
2) I already gave my dual game balls to Jaden (+9) and Juancho (+19!). Even with the Rockettes clearly trying to lose, we don't win tonight without them.
3) Ricky's and KAT's + 5 are a sham, and an indication of why Danny Ainge never used single game +/- (it should be pointed out though that he was a big advocate of season-long defensive and offensive on/off stats...as am I). They both stunk up the court last night. and only ended up positive because Houston decided to lose. Silas not doubling KAT in the 4th quarter should be a capital offense.
So a win's a win, right? And Beasley's return on the back end of a BTB allows Finch to limit Ant's and Nowell's minutes tonight if they're playing tired...or if Ant forgets again that McLemore can make shots. 15 point win tonight and our first 2-game win streak...woo hoo!
My admittedly homer positive spin on last night's game: This was the Wolves doing to a worse team what has been done to us most of our history. Sleep walk through 3 1/2 quarters and then turn it on to win. When they substituted Jaden and Ricky back in and benched Ant down 15 with 7 minutes to go, I said to myself "Damn, these losers are going to win, and I don't think I'm going to feel good about it". Well, they did...and I don't.
Realistic analysis of last night's game: KAT, Rubio, Edwards and Nowell took 64 shots and made a quarter of them. We won this game only because Houston is terrible and didn't care. Silas must have told Wall to quit distributing in the 4th quarter (he had 15 assists as Houston was killing us), and start forcing shots (25% shooting and 7 TOs). And he clearly told his defense to not double KAT in the 4th like they did early in the game, even though he was scoring with ease and didn't have to pass the ball (5 TO's) with only one guy on him. If Silas wasn't ordered to tank the game, he should be fired today.
Like Abe, I also fast forwarded the third quarter and half the 4th until Finch's substitutions with 7 minutes less...I couldn't watch the Wolves' terrible play up until then, but I had to admit I was curious to see how the hell Houston was going to inevitably blow this game. I wasn't disappointed.
Pssst, Ant...McLemore is your guy. And even though he has been a major disappointment in the NBA, he's going to drain open threes. Here's a thought...guard him!
Hey Jaden- thanks for being a bright spot in a dreadful season...somebody in your past really taught you how to play basketball. And thanks for being the steady veteran on the court and quieting down our rookie KAT. What, your only 20 and KAT is the veteran? Coulda fooled me.
Ricky- Okay, 8 assists and 1 turnover is nice, but don't get a swelled head because the Rockets decided not to play any defense in the 4th quarter. And don't think we didn't notice you were 0-7 including an open layup at a critical time.
Hey Vando- where did that guy go who at the start of the season made every offensive rebound a 50/50 ball...where's your effort on the offensive boards that we all loved at the start of the season. Any game in which you have more 3-point attempts (or air balls) than offensive rebounds is a failure. Good on Finch for benching your ass.
Hey Juancho, welcome back. We see that you are slowly getting back to the excellent per 36 numbers you put up last year. Your 3-point percentage still lags, but we do see that you are making them at last year's rate since Finch started. You still can't play defense, so you're worthless if you're not scoring (cough, cough...are you paying attention Malik and DLO?). but we'll let you share the game ball with Jaden.
PMP alert:
1) Lip is right that Nowell played very well despite his 4-14 shooting. His 5 assists, 5 rebounds and 3 steals were why Finch gave him 30 minutes, and he earned his +15.
2) I already gave my dual game balls to Jaden (+9) and Juancho (+19!). Even with the Rockettes clearly trying to lose, we don't win tonight without them.
3) Ricky's and KAT's + 5 are a sham, and an indication of why Danny Ainge never used single game +/- (it should be pointed out though that he was a big advocate of season-long defensive and offensive on/off stats...as am I). They both stunk up the court last night. and only ended up positive because Houston decided to lose. Silas not doubling KAT in the 4th quarter should be a capital offense.
So a win's a win, right? And Beasley's return on the back end of a BTB allows Finch to limit Ant's and Nowell's minutes tonight if they're playing tired...or if Ant forgets again that McLemore can make shots. 15 point win tonight and our first 2-game win streak...woo hoo!
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lipoli390 wrote:To follow up on my last post on the positives for the Wolves in this terrible game last night, here are a few of the biggest negatives:
1. Rubio. I don't think I've ever seen an NBA player miss more layups than Ricky over the course of his career. We saw that again last night. No doubt he's significantly better now than he was at the beginning of the season. But that's still not good enough. We are well beyond any Covid explanation right now. The fact is that Rubio, who has never been super quick, has lost a step since his first stint with the Wolves. I'd add that his passing isn't as crisp and his decision-making isn't as good. I can't explain it and in my view it's not worth explaining. I'll just come back to my opinion on draft day that trading for Ricky was a bad idea. Maybe he's helped Ant, but I have my doubts since the Ant we've seen this season is the same player we saw in college.
2. Ant. Once again, Ant put on another clinic in inefficient shooting. If Ant's shots aren't falling at a high rate, he's a significant net negative to the team. Last night confirmed for me that LaMello Ball will AND SHOULD win rookie of the year honors this season. Ant is definitely gifted, but he has a long, long way to go.
3. Culver. I know he didn't play, but that's the point. Was he hurt again? In any event, I can't think of a bigger negative from last night's game than the fact that our #6 pick in the draft before last season didn't get even one minute of court time in a game when Okogie wasn't available and all the other guards and wings were putrid.
Meanwhile, we continue to wait for the triumphant returns of DLO and Beasley to carry us out of the bottom three and ensure that we won't keep our 2021 draft pick.
Agree on all points, Lip, except the final paragraph. I know your tongue is firmly in your cheek with your "triumphant returns" comment (although I also suspect that, like me, you're holding on to some hope for the success of the DLO/KAT Rosas Chemistry Experiment...hereafter to be called the RCE), but I don't share your concerns about the impact of too many wins on our lottery chances. First, we are still 4 games ahead in the "race" to stay in the bottom three, and this club likely doesn't have the horses to pick up 4 full games with only 26 left in the season. There will be an adjustment period incorporating DLO and Beas back into the rotation, and that will likely keep us from picking up those 4 games. Second, even if we do pass up 3 teams and end up with the 4th worst record, our lottery odds only drop 3.4 percentage points...not a big difference. So I'm cheering for wins, and not worrying about a slightly smaller percentage of getting a pick.