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mrhockey89 wrote:Yep, Westbrook was considered a bit of a reach at 4 that year. That draft I recall like it was yesterday. There were 2.5 blue chippers according to all the experts: Michael Beasley (who was absolutely destroying college basketball on a nightly basis and looked like a better version of Carmelo), Derrick Rose (who came on like lightning after ripping up the NCAA Tourney), OJ Mayo was the .5 blue chipper (I recall Dwayne Wade was basically calling him the next superstar). I remember Jerryd Bayless being highly touted, and the big discussion on our board involved Brook Lopez, because he had a well developed skill set that we could have used. I think we all wanted Mayo (for the most part) and were probably all upset that we traded for Love (I know I was).


It's pretty amazing how Beasley dominated college once we learned about his measurements and they shaved a few inches off the top. He went from a 6'10 dominating front court force to a 6'7 wing overnight.


Yep that was something that concerned me a bit about him as a prospect but the reality was none of that was why he didn't succeed as a high end player.

Things sometimes forgotten in that Love for Mayo trade was the Wolves saved salary in that deal (including dumping Jaric) AND got back Mike Miller who was a legit asset either as a player or in a trade. It was a hell of a good trade.


I can offer some insight into what happened with Mayo and Love. That was back in the day when I had access to people high up in the Wolves organization. But there were things I couldn't share at the time. I had the chance to talk one-on-one with Fred Hoiberg before that draft. We were talking about Mayo. He told me confidentially that he liked Mayo, but that OJ would be a limited player in the NBA. He said that Mayo lacked the hip flexibility needed to turn the corner and penetrate effectively at the NBA level and for that reason he'd likely be nothing more than a jump shooter. I knew something was up then in the midst of all the media speculation that the Wolves had targeted Mayo.

I really liked Love as a prospect and when I mentioned that to Fred he agreed with all the positive things I said about Love and offered no negatives. I focused on Love's rebounding and perimeter shooting as a rare combination. Fred added that Love was the best big-man passer in the draft. So I can honestly say, I wasn't surprised by the Mayo deal when it happened. I learned shortly after the draft that McHale loved Love and that the entire front office were united on wanting Love. Love was their target all along. They almost took Love straight up, but felt confident they could swap Mayo for Love. I was told they would have swapped Mayo for Lopez if they couldn't get a deal for Love, but they really wanted Love.

So McHale should get a lot of credit for the deal he pulled off. That trade for Love and drafting Garnett when it was considered risky to draft a player right out high school were two impressive achievements by McHale during his tenure as PBO. He deserves credit for signing Billups and would have kept him if not for Flip insisting that he wanted Terrell Brandon as his starting PG. McHale also deserves credit for getting Spree and Sam, which led to the Wolves one and only appearance in the Western Conference Finals. McHale had his share of screw-ups as PBO, but he made more A-grade moves than any other regime in Wolves history. Moreover, the team has never had anything close to the success it had during his tenure. Call it faint praise, but McHale is by far the best PBO this franchise has ever had. Before I praise Rosas, he has to do at least as well as McHale did.
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Lillard has always been hyper-competitive in the mold of MJ. That's what ultimately makes his a star who can carry his team against the best teams in the League. If I thought that D Russell had that sort of dog in him, I'd be really optimistic about the Wolves prospects. Malik Beasley does appear to have that sort of hyper-competitor drive, but the questions is whether he has the talent to match. Time will tell.
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Alvin gentry was let go. I didn't watch that group this season and quite frankly it was a wilgly turned over roster with some injuries including Zion. I have no idea if they let him go because it was a poor fit somehow. Gentry seemed to do a pretty nice job there and seems to be someone that really handles himself well. A team could do much worse than hire him to be there head coach imo. He will likely be highly sought after as an assistant if he doesn't get another head coaching gig.
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monsterpile wrote:Alvin gentry was let go. I didn't watch that group this season and quite frankly it was a wilgly turned over roster with some injuries including Zion. I have no idea if they let him go because it was a poor fit somehow. Gentry seemed to do a pretty nice job there and seems to be someone that really handles himself well. A team could do much worse than hire him to be there head coach imo. He will likely be highly sought after as an assistant if he doesn't get another head coaching gig.


I agree, Monster. I don't know what they were expecting from Gentry under the circumstances with the roster change over and injuries. Gentry is a really good coach in my view and I agree he'll be sought after as an assistant if not a head coach. I'd take him over Ryan as head coach of the Wolves.
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lipoli390 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:Alvin gentry was let go. I didn't watch that group this season and quite frankly it was a wilgly turned over roster with some injuries including Zion. I have no idea if they let him go because it was a poor fit somehow. Gentry seemed to do a pretty nice job there and seems to be someone that really handles himself well. A team could do much worse than hire him to be there head coach imo. He will likely be highly sought after as an assistant if he doesn't get another head coaching gig.


I agree, Monster. I don't know what they were expecting from Gentry under the circumstances with the roster change over and injuries. Gentry is a really good coach in my view and I agree he'll be sought after as an assistant if not a head coach. I'd take him over Ryan as head coach of the Wolves.


I think Gentry is just a better assistant coach. Obviously Zion injury hurt them but based on Twitter and pelicans forums they are happy he is gone. They hated his rotations during his time. (I do think fans blame coaches way to much though on teams failures).

I would take Gentry over Saunders but Gentry has been a NBA head coach for 15 seasons and only twice has he been over 500. He just isn't a good NBA head coach, seems like a solid assistant though
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kekgeek1 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:Alvin gentry was let go. I didn't watch that group this season and quite frankly it was a wilgly turned over roster with some injuries including Zion. I have no idea if they let him go because it was a poor fit somehow. Gentry seemed to do a pretty nice job there and seems to be someone that really handles himself well. A team could do much worse than hire him to be there head coach imo. He will likely be highly sought after as an assistant if he doesn't get another head coaching gig.


I agree, Monster. I don't know what they were expecting from Gentry under the circumstances with the roster change over and injuries. Gentry is a really good coach in my view and I agree he'll be sought after as an assistant if not a head coach. I'd take him over Ryan as head coach of the Wolves.


I think Gentry is just a better assistant coach. Obviously Zion injury hurt them but based on Twitter and pelicans forums they are happy he is gone. They hated his rotations during his time. (I do think fans blame coaches way to much though on teams failures).

I would take Gentry over Saunders but Gentry has been a NBA head coach for 15 seasons and only twice has he been over 500. He just isn't a good NBA head coach, seems like a solid assistant though



Gentry has coached some pretty bad rosters in all 3 of his coaching stops. I think he is a guy that I would hire for sure if he was the right fit for a roster and organization. I wouldn't call him a top coach but I think he is one that can either elevate what you already have or at the very least not screw it up. The Suns hired a similar guy in Monte Williams and are seeing some early benefits. He might not be the guy if they keep rising but just getting someone who knows what's he he'll he is doing and highly regarded as a person helps a team and franchise that's been sort of a joke. A team like the Bulls hiring Gentry might be a good move. It will be interesting what direction David Griffin and the Pels go with this hire.
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New Orleans had plenty of talent outside of Zion to be better. Ingram, Ball, Holiday, JJ, Hart, Favors. They need Zion to take another leap, but that team had plenty of talent to make more noise than they did.
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khans2k5 wrote:New Orleans had plenty of talent outside of Zion to be better. Ingram, Ball, Holiday, JJ, Hart, Favors. They need Zion to take another leap, but that team had plenty of talent to make more noise than they did.


I sorta forgot about Reddick and most of those guys stayed healthy. Etwuan Moore off the bench is a pretty solid player. That team never really clicked and Lip should be upset his guy Alexander Walker didn't play well for gentry. :) Like I said I wondered if it was a for thing. I really don't know what exactly fits that roster though but it's a nice collection of players even without Zion. So Yeah Kahns I think based on the results this year I could see why he was let go. It just seems like I might have given him another year to see what he could do but there are some names out there that make a lot of sense. Kenny Atkinson's agent is probably trying to break in David Griffins house to get Kenny that job. Lol
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khans2k5 wrote:New Orleans had plenty of talent outside of Zion to be better. Ingram, Ball, Holiday, JJ, Hart, Favors. They need Zion to take another leap, but that team had plenty of talent to make more noise than they did.


Talented but young, unproven players who were largely new to one another in a shortened season. Hard to draw any reliable conclusions about the head coach under those circumstances. But Kenny Atkinson would be a great replacement. Or maybe Griffin just wanted to reunite with Lue.
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One season out of 5 with more than 34 wins... with Anthony Davis on the team for four of those years. And Jrue Holiday aint too shabby either.

I'm in the keep Gentry as a top assistant camp. Check out those teams: Nash-era Suns, best Lob City Clippers team and WC Warriors...
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