BizarroJerry wrote:KATs dating the girl who Tristan Thompson cheated on with a Kardashian? Lol.
I actually think it's the other way around. Tristan Thompson cheated on Khloe Kardashian with the girl Karl-Anthony Towns is now dating. But it's whatever. Most NBA stars live in Los Angeles or wherever they want to during the off-season. Winning needs to be the motive for him to stay in Minnesota.
Yeah that's what I meant. Too bad that show was canceled. Maybe KAT could have been cast in some episodes. Yep he's gonna push for LA trade this year when we start out 2-10.
I agree. Flip told me that he was the lone voice in the Wolves organization opposed to trading Marbury. Flip's argument at the time was that winning can cure just about any player dissatisfaction or chemistry issues. He knew that KG and Marbury were going to be a winning combination.
That is to bad. I really thought they rushed that. Winning didn't fix Spree and Cassell, but honestly if Cassell had been healthy that final year it would have been much different year.
I agree. Flip told me that he was the lone voice in the Wolves organization opposed to trading Marbury. Flip's argument at the time was that winning can cure just about any player dissatisfaction or chemistry issues. He knew that KG and Marbury were going to be a winning combination.
That is to bad. I really thought they rushed that. Winning didn't fix Spree and Cassell, but honestly if Cassell had been healthy that final year it would have been much different year.
Good organizations overcome all of this and the reality is Flip and McHale almost did. They signed Billups for cheap, mentored him and they could have kept him but they let him go. Imagine if Billups has stayed and was the player he was in Detroit. History may have been different for the franchise and Flip and McHale would been more highly thought of. I think many people besides Wolves fans think they would have had a good shot of winning a title if Cassell would have been healthy. So the reality was the Wolves almost made up for bad decisions and some bad luck twice. Almost...I'm not sure if that's supposed to inject hope or something less... lol
I agree. Flip told me that he was the lone voice in the Wolves organization opposed to trading Marbury. Flip's argument at the time was that winning can cure just about any player dissatisfaction or chemistry issues. He knew that KG and Marbury were going to be a winning combination.
That is to bad. I really thought they rushed that. Winning didn't fix Spree and Cassell, but honestly if Cassell had been healthy that final year it would have been much different year.
Good organizations overcome all of this and the reality is Flip and McHale almost did. They signed Billups for cheap, mentored him and they could have kept him but they let him go. Imagine if Billups has stayed and was the player he was in Detroit. History may have been different for the franchise and Flip and McHale would been more highly thought of. I think many people besides Wolves fans think they would have had a good shot of winning a title if Cassell would have been healthy. So the reality was the Wolves almost made up for bad decisions and some bad luck twice. Almost...I'm not sure if that's supposed to inject hope or something less... lol
You are spot on, Monster. Shit happens and good organizations do overcome bad breaks like Marbury's surprise reversal from wanting to come here to play with his buddy KAT to wanting to leave.
And you're also right that the Wolves almost overcame Marbury's exit when they signed and helped develop Billups. Letting him leave was a terrible, unforced error by the Wolves front office. It was a classic case of bias in favor of a veteran, turning a blind eye towards Brandon's injury propensity and impatience with young talent. Those are characteristics we've seen in every Wolves front office regime except David Kahn's. With Kahn it was just pure incompetence.
Acquiring Spree and Cassell was a desperation move. But for Cassell's injury, I'm convinced the Wolves would have made it to the NBA finals and, based on their season matchup with Detroit, I think the Wolves would have been NBA champions that year. Unfortunately, Spree and Cassell were both getting up there in years and were also known to be head cases. So I had the feeling back then when they came here that the good times wouldn't last very long - although I thought it would least more than just one season.
I agree. Flip told me that he was the lone voice in the Wolves organization opposed to trading Marbury. Flip's argument at the time was that winning can cure just about any player dissatisfaction or chemistry issues. He knew that KG and Marbury were going to be a winning combination.
That is to bad. I really thought they rushed that. Winning didn't fix Spree and Cassell, but honestly if Cassell had been healthy that final year it would have been much different year.
Good organizations overcome all of this and the reality is Flip and McHale almost did. They signed Billups for cheap, mentored him and they could have kept him but they let him go. Imagine if Billups has stayed and was the player he was in Detroit. History may have been different for the franchise and Flip and McHale would been more highly thought of. I think many people besides Wolves fans think they would have had a good shot of winning a title if Cassell would have been healthy. So the reality was the Wolves almost made up for bad decisions and some bad luck twice. Almost...I'm not sure if that's supposed to inject hope or something less... lol
You are spot on, Monster. Shit happens and good organizations do overcome bad breaks like Marbury's surprise reversal from wanting to come here to play with his buddy KAT to wanting to leave.
And you're also right that the Wolves almost overcame Marbury's exit when they signed and helped develop Billups. Letting him leave was a terrible, unforced error by the Wolves front office. It was a classic case of bias in favor of a veteran, turning a blind eye towards Brandon's injury propensity and impatience with young talent. Those are characteristics we've seen in every Wolves front office regime except David Kahn's. With Kahn it was just pure incompetence.
Acquiring Spree and Cassell was a desperation move. But for Cassell's injury, I'm convinced the Wolves would have made it to the NBA finals and, based on their season matchup with Detroit, I think the Wolves would have been NBA champions that year. Unfortunately, Spree and Cassell were both getting up there in years and were also known to be head cases. So I had the feeling back then when they came here that the good times wouldn't last very long - although I thought it would least more than just one season.
The Spree Cassell moves were pretty good. Keep in mind the Wolves were able to Dump Joe Smith and Brandon in those deals. The Wolves really gave up very little to add 2 legit NBA starters and Ervin Johnson who fit really well with the group they assembled. That trade literally made the team a contender for a season and it was pretty far away before that. Pretty good desperation move if you ask me. I'd love to see Rosas pull something like that off right now...even though we are clearly in a rebuild. lol
I agree. Flip told me that he was the lone voice in the Wolves organization opposed to trading Marbury. Flip's argument at the time was that winning can cure just about any player dissatisfaction or chemistry issues. He knew that KG and Marbury were going to be a winning combination.
That is to bad. I really thought they rushed that. Winning didn't fix Spree and Cassell, but honestly if Cassell had been healthy that final year it would have been much different year.
Good organizations overcome all of this and the reality is Flip and McHale almost did. They signed Billups for cheap, mentored him and they could have kept him but they let him go. Imagine if Billups has stayed and was the player he was in Detroit. History may have been different for the franchise and Flip and McHale would been more highly thought of. I think many people besides Wolves fans think they would have had a good shot of winning a title if Cassell would have been healthy. So the reality was the Wolves almost made up for bad decisions and some bad luck twice. Almost...I'm not sure if that's supposed to inject hope or something less... lol
You are spot on, Monster. Shit happens and good organizations do overcome bad breaks like Marbury's surprise reversal from wanting to come here to play with his buddy KAT to wanting to leave.
And you're also right that the Wolves almost overcame Marbury's exit when they signed and helped develop Billups. Letting him leave was a terrible, unforced error by the Wolves front office. It was a classic case of bias in favor of a veteran, turning a blind eye towards Brandon's injury propensity and impatience with young talent. Those are characteristics we've seen in every Wolves front office regime except David Kahn's. With Kahn it was just pure incompetence.
Acquiring Spree and Cassell was a desperation move. But for Cassell's injury, I'm convinced the Wolves would have made it to the NBA finals and, based on their season matchup with Detroit, I think the Wolves would have been NBA champions that year. Unfortunately, Spree and Cassell were both getting up there in years and were also known to be head cases. So I had the feeling back then when they came here that the good times wouldn't last very long - although I thought it would least more than just one season.
The Spree Cassell moves were pretty good. Keep in mind the Wolves were able to Dump Joe Smith and Brandon in those deals. The Wolves really gave up very little to add 2 legit NBA starters and Ervin Johnson who fit really well with the group they assembled. That trade literally made the team a contender for a
season and it was pretty far away before that. Pretty good desperation move if you ask me. I'd love to see Rosas pull something like that off right now...even though we are clearly in a rebuild. lol
By calling it a desperation move, I didn't mean to imply it was a bad move. To the contrary, it was a terrific move. But it was a bit of a hale Mary that resulted from past miscalculations and it was destined to have a short shelf life. That's the nature of the beast when you put yourself in a hole with bad personnel decisions. I don't want to see a move like the one that brought in Spree and Sam. It worked then, but only for one season - sort of like the Butler acquisition. Often that kind of move flops entirely. It's perilous to rely on short cuts. They usually either don't work at all or work for only a short time.
We have two talented 24 year olds and some nice young pieces in Okogie, Culver, Naz Reid, McLaughlin and Nowell along with three valuable draft picks. If Rosas can parley some of those pieces into Simmons, Booker or Beal, then great. Otherwise, he should down or trade up and land at least two really good prospects to add to our core. He should follow that up by adding a good complementary player as a free agent with the MLE. Rosas said his front office and coaching staff were going to focus on player development. Well, let's see what they can do. Build on the foundation already in place and develop this team into a sustainable contender. Otherwise, bring me a new PBO, trade the KAT/DLO duo and start over.
I agree. Flip told me that he was the lone voice in the Wolves organization opposed to trading Marbury. Flip's argument at the time was that winning can cure just about any player dissatisfaction or chemistry issues. He knew that KG and Marbury were going to be a winning combination.
That is to bad. I really thought they rushed that. Winning didn't fix Spree and Cassell, but honestly if Cassell had been healthy that final year it would have been much different year.
Good organizations overcome all of this and the reality is Flip and McHale almost did. They signed Billups for cheap, mentored him and they could have kept him but they let him go. Imagine if Billups has stayed and was the player he was in Detroit. History may have been different for the franchise and Flip and McHale would been more highly thought of. I think many people besides Wolves fans think they would have had a good shot of winning a title if Cassell would have been healthy. So the reality was the Wolves almost made up for bad decisions and some bad luck twice. Almost...I'm not sure if that's supposed to inject hope or something less... lol
You are spot on, Monster. Shit happens and good organizations do overcome bad breaks like Marbury's surprise reversal from wanting to come here to play with his buddy KAT to wanting to leave.
And you're also right that the Wolves almost overcame Marbury's exit when they signed and helped develop Billups. Letting him leave was a terrible, unforced error by the Wolves front office. It was a classic case of bias in favor of a veteran, turning a blind eye towards Brandon's injury propensity and impatience with young talent. Those are characteristics we've seen in every Wolves front office regime except David Kahn's. With Kahn it was just pure incompetence.
Acquiring Spree and Cassell was a desperation move. But for Cassell's injury, I'm convinced the Wolves would have made it to the NBA finals and, based on their season matchup with Detroit, I think the Wolves would have been NBA champions that year. Unfortunately, Spree and Cassell were both getting up there in years and were also known to be head cases. So I had the feeling back then when they came here that the good times wouldn't last very long - although I thought it would least more than just one season.
The Spree Cassell moves were pretty good. Keep in mind the Wolves were able to Dump Joe Smith and Brandon in those deals. The Wolves really gave up very little to add 2 legit NBA starters and Ervin Johnson who fit really well with the group they assembled. That trade literally made the team a contender for a
season and it was pretty far away before that. Pretty good desperation move if you ask me. I'd love to see Rosas pull something like that off right now...even though we are clearly in a rebuild. lol
By calling it a desperation move, I didn't mean to imply it was a bad move. To the contrary, it was a terrific move. But it was a bit of a hale Mary that resulted from past miscalculations and it was destined to have a short shelf life. That's the nature of the beast when you put yourself in a hole with bad personnel decisions. I don't want to see a move like the one that brought in Spree and Sam. It worked then, but only for one season - sort of like the Butler acquisition. Often that kind of move flops entirely. It's perilous to rely on short cuts. They usually either don't work at all or work for only a short time.
We have two talented 24 year olds and some nice young pieces in Okogie, Culver, Naz Reid, McLaughlin and Nowell along with three valuable draft picks. If Rosas can parley some of those pieces into Simmons, Booker or Beal, then great. Otherwise, he should down or trade up and land at least two really good prospects to add to our core. He should follow that up by adding a good complementary player as a free agent with the MLE. Rosas said his front office and coaching staff were going to focus on player development. Well, let's see what they can do. Build on the foundation already in place and develop this team into a sustainable contender. Otherwise, bring me a new PBO, trade the KAT/DLO duo and start over.
The Wolves don't really have the type of pieces to make a similar trade like they did to add Cassell Spree and Johnson. They had more of them last season with say Teague Dieng and maybe Napier. Now they basically just have James Johnson as a non-young player and maybe a guy like Spellman (Young with a little value but not needed) they could dangle.
I think that Dieng for Johnson trade was a not amazing but something done around the margins that can help. Johnson was really productive for the Wolves is 14 games. He fits the roster much better than Dieng with the emergence of Reid. I'm a big fan of Dieng but I simply think James Johnson is more valuable now than Dieng was/is. The margin isn't wide but it's there.
I get we need to let young guys develop but if we were able to actually add some older player on a short term deal that was a clear high level starter for guys that were clearly just Rotation guys low level starters I think it would doing because we just can't keep losing. The likelihood of a deal like this happens? VERY low. Part of why I bring this up is to say that Cassell Spree Johnson deal should probably be appreciated more than it is. I think Marc Jackson held some actual value in that trade which probably added a bit of value for the deal acquiring him in the first place for the cost of 34 year old Dean Garrett and a 2nd rounder.
You mentioned the Butler deal. He was an in his prime vet but we gave up legit Young future assets to get him. I'm talking about something more along the lines of Getting a good vet player for basically nothing, more along the lines of when we signed Derrick Rose for the vet min and Thibs did turn out to be right about Rose. I'm not chasing vets but I'm also not going to get such tunnel vision on young guys that I'm going to turn down a chance to add legit talent to the roster...in total hypothetical terms.
