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bleedspeed177 wrote:If anyone would it would be the Knick.


I HIGHLY doubt it. This deal basically takes them out of being able to sign Durant and or anyone else of note.
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What if they win the lottery and yet strike out in FA again? Would they do that trade?
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monsterpile wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:Would you trade Towns, Wiggins, and Dieng for the first pick?


I would lol


I'd consider it but I would have to actually decide what a I thought of Zion first. Back to reality...I doubt you could find a team with what 70+ million in cap space that would want to do that deal. That's like Towns and a chance at durant and another max guy for Zion. Not gonna happen.


I mean in no way is it realistic, but if I get a chance to start over and rebuild with the right kind of star, Zion is that guy.

I would trade Towns straight up for Zion if given the chance.
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bleedspeed177 wrote:If anyone would it would be the Knick.

The Knicks' fanbase would riot if they blew all their capspace on Wiggins, Dieng and Towns, even if Towns is good and would have a built in fanbase.
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khans2k5 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:Would you trade Towns, Wiggins, and Dieng for the first pick?


I would lol


I'd consider it but I would have to actually decide what a I thought of Zion first. Back to reality...I doubt you could find a team with what 70+ million in cap space that would want to do that deal. That's like Towns and a chance at durant and another max guy for Zion. Not gonna happen.


I mean in no way is it realistic, but if I get a chance to start over and rebuild with the right kind of star, Zion is that guy.

I would trade Towns straight up for Zion if given the chance.

khans2k5 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:Would you trade Towns, Wiggins, and Dieng for the first pick?


I would lol


I'd consider it but I would have to actually decide what a I thought of Zion first. Back to reality...I doubt you could find a team with what 70+ million in cap space that would want to do that deal. That's like Towns and a chance at durant and another max guy for Zion. Not gonna happen.


I mean in no way is it realistic, but if I get a chance to start over and rebuild with the right kind of star, Zion is that guy.

I would trade Towns straight up for Zion if given the chance.


I wouldn't. Towns is a proven NBA star, a terrific 3-point shooter, an elite scorer and rebounder, still young at age 23 and highly durable. Zion is a physical freak of nature, but he's not particularly long, doesn't have NBA 3-point range and we can't know for sure how we'll he'll perform at the NBA level. His weight and the way he plays should give some pause when it comes to his projected durability. Now if I could also jettison the Wiggins and Gorgui contracts as part of the deal, I'd do it. But I don't see the Knicks dealing the #1 pick under any circumstances. If they get the #1 pick, they'll take Zion and never look back. They won't give up the incredibly positive marketing Zion would bring to the Knicks in the New York market. And they negative media blowback that would result from trading him. They won't trade him for Anthony Davis either.
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lipoli390 wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:Would you trade Towns, Wiggins, and Dieng for the first pick?


I would lol


I'd consider it but I would have to actually decide what a I thought of Zion first. Back to reality...I doubt you could find a team with what 70+ million in cap space that would want to do that deal. That's like Towns and a chance at durant and another max guy for Zion. Not gonna happen.


I mean in no way is it realistic, but if I get a chance to start over and rebuild with the right kind of star, Zion is that guy.

I would trade Towns straight up for Zion if given the chance.

khans2k5 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:Would you trade Towns, Wiggins, and Dieng for the first pick?


I would lol


I'd consider it but I would have to actually decide what a I thought of Zion first. Back to reality...I doubt you could find a team with what 70+ million in cap space that would want to do that deal. That's like Towns and a chance at durant and another max guy for Zion. Not gonna happen.


I mean in no way is it realistic, but if I get a chance to start over and rebuild with the right kind of star, Zion is that guy.

I would trade Towns straight up for Zion if given the chance.


I wouldn't. Towns is a proven NBA star, a terrific 3-point shooter, an elite scorer and rebounder, still young at age 23 and highly durable. Zion is a physical freak of nature, but he's not particularly long, doesn't have NBA 3-point range and we can't know for sure how we'll he'll perform at the NBA level. His weight and the way he plays should give some pause when it comes to his projected durability. Now if I could also jettison the Wiggins and Gorgui contracts as part of the deal, I'd do it. But I don't see the Knicks dealing the #1 pick under any circumstances. If they get the #1 pick, they'll take Zion and never look back. They won't give up the incredibly positive marketing Zion would bring to the Knicks in the New York market. And they negative media blowback that would result from trading him. They won't trade him for Anthony Davis either.


His size gives me the opposite feelings when it comes to his durability. He literally blew up a shoe and didn't wreck his leg as a result. That doesn't happen if he isn't a freak of nature. He's a linebacker and guys are just gonna bounce off him at this level similar to prime time Lebron. Also Zion can tick up stats just as well and efficiently as Towns except he does the little things like dive for loose balls and actually plays good weak side defense. He can defend out to the perimeter because of his effort with his physical tools. He's an actual two way player who goes all out all the time. Towns just doesn't do that. All those fake challenges at the rim that are too late and ineffective from Towns are actual challenges from Zion that alter shots. He was the glue that held Duke's entire defense together bailing out his teammates. KAT ticks up stats while Zion makes impact plays. That's the difference between the two and that's what separates top 10 players from top 20 players in this league.
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Don't be fooled by his highlight videos on YouTube. Zion is not a "hold the team together" type defender right now. He sells out for impact blocks/steals far more than you'd like and he's still got a long way to go in terms of positioning/angles in cutting off ball-handlers. He has all the tools in the world, but again, how many guys can you say that about that never really develop on defense?
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I wouldn't trade Towns for the #1 pick. It would have to include Wiggins.
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Camden wrote:Don't be fooled by his highlight videos on YouTube. Zion is not a "hold the team together" type defender right now. He sells out for impact blocks/steals far more than you'd like and he's still got a long way to go in terms of positioning/angles in cutting off ball-handlers. He has all the tools in the world, but again, how many guys can you say that about that never really develop on defense?

Camden wrote:Don't be fooled by his highlight videos on YouTube. Zion is not a "hold the team together" type defender right now. He sells out for impact blocks/steals far more than you'd like and he's still got a long way to go in terms of positioning/angles in cutting off ball-handlers. He has all the tools in the world, but again, how many guys can you say that about that never really develop on defense?


That's right, Cam. Moreover, 1.8 blocks per game in college doesn't foreshadow a great shot blocker in the NBA. And Zion's certainly not a sure thing on the offensive end either. He can get to the rim pretty easily in college, but he's a 34% low-volume 3-point shooter from the colleges arc. And he hits only 64 % of his free throws. It's also an open question as to how easily will Zion be able to get the rim against the much higher level of competition in the NBA.

I happen to believe that Zion will become a great 2-way NBA player. But he has weaknesses when you look beyond the hype. When you look honestly at those weaknesses and consider the long list of past college greats who have underperformed in the NBA, you realize that it's a stretch to assume that Zion will be even as good as KAT is right now.
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lipoli390 wrote:
Camden wrote:Don't be fooled by his highlight videos on YouTube. Zion is not a "hold the team together" type defender right now. He sells out for impact blocks/steals far more than you'd like and he's still got a long way to go in terms of positioning/angles in cutting off ball-handlers. He has all the tools in the world, but again, how many guys can you say that about that never really develop on defense?

Camden wrote:Don't be fooled by his highlight videos on YouTube. Zion is not a "hold the team together" type defender right now. He sells out for impact blocks/steals far more than you'd like and he's still got a long way to go in terms of positioning/angles in cutting off ball-handlers. He has all the tools in the world, but again, how many guys can you say that about that never really develop on defense?


That's right, Cam. Moreover, 1.8 blocks per game in college doesn't foreshadow a great shot blocker in the NBA. And Zion's certainly not a sure thing on the offensive end either. He can get to the rim pretty easily in college, but he's a 34% low-volume 3-point shooter from the colleges arc. And he hits only 64 % of his free throws. It's also an open question as to how easily will Zion be able to get the rim against the much higher level of competition in the NBA.

I happen to believe that Zion will become a great 2-way NBA player. But he has weaknesses when you look beyond the hype. When you look honestly at those weaknesses and consider the long list of past college greats who have underperformed in the NBA, you realize that it's a stretch to assume that Zion will be even as good as KAT is right now.


Of course there is no sure thing, but with that said, the potential is so high for Zion on and off the court. He's not an ordinary prospect. Generational talent. His ceiling is higher then Towns in my opinion. It's not realistic but I'd trade Kat for Zion for sure.
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