This is what I had in mind for a three-team trade involving the Pacers. I think all teams come out of this relatively happy -- or as happy as Philadelphia could be given the circumstances.
Indiana was apparently willing to offer Brogdon for Simmons. I don't see them giving up Brogdon for Maxey, Prince and a 2022 1st-round pick. Maybe the Wolves can become a third team to facilitate Simmons going to Indiana for Brogdon by sending Beasley and a 2023 1st-round pick to Philly, sending Naz Reid along with 2022 2nd-round pick to Indiana, and getting Myles Turner. Indiana could deal their own 2022 or 2023 1st-round pick to Philly as well. Indiana gets the best player in the deal and the player they were trying to get earlier in exchange for Brogdon. Philly gets a sharp-shooting SG along with Brogdan and a couple of 1st round picks. Minnesota gets the defensive, rim-protected big they need next to KAT in exchange for Beasley and a future protected first. Seems like a fair deal all around.
Minnesota sends Malik Beasley, Naz Reid, a 2023 first-round pick, and a 2022 second-round pick to Indiana and Philadelphia for Myles Turner? That would be an awful trade for the Wolves in my view so I truly hope that's not even being discussed.
That's not worse than Jaden, Beasley and two firsts for Simmons and that has been mentioned out there. Turner is a very good player when healthy, but I doubt small ball Rosas would ever go there.
This is what I had in mind for a three-team trade involving the Pacers. I think all teams come out of this relatively happy -- or as happy as Philadelphia could be given the circumstances.
Indiana was apparently willing to offer Brogdon for Simmons. I don't see them giving up Brogdon for Maxey, Prince and a 2022 1st-round pick. Maybe the Wolves can become a third team to facilitate Simmons going to Indiana for Brogdon by sending Beasley and a 2023 1st-round pick to Philly, sending Naz Reid along with 2022 2nd-round pick to Indiana, and getting Myles Turner. Indiana could deal their own 2022 or 2023 1st-round pick to Philly as well. Indiana gets the best player in the deal and the player they were trying to get earlier in exchange for Brogdon. Philly gets a sharp-shooting SG along with Brogdan and a couple of 1st round picks. Minnesota gets the defensive, rim-protected big they need next to KAT in exchange for Beasley and a future protected first. Seems like a fair deal all around.
Minnesota sends Malik Beasley, Naz Reid, a 2023 first-round pick, and a 2022 second-round pick to Indiana and Philadelphia for Myles Turner? That would be an awful trade for the Wolves in my view so I truly hope that's not even being discussed.
Well, the Wolves aren't going to get Simmons for those assets. And Myles Turner, if healthy, would be a huge upgrade for the Wolves up front. He's an elite defender and rim-protector who can also hit threes. The first-round pick would be lottery protected in 2023 and the 2nd rounder is one of three 2nd-round picks the Wolves have next year. So the only significant asset the Wolves would be giving up would be Beasley. I don't think that's a terrible deal for the Wolves unless you believe that Turner won't stay healthy, which would be a legitimate concern and a reason why I might not make that deal. But I hardly think that deal would be "awful" for the Wolves.
crazysauce wrote:I can't believe any of you would entertain an Edwards for Simmons swap. That is crazy. Not a chance would I include Edwards. Also not sure if you guys had heard but Edwards has grown 2 inches in the offseason and is now at 6 foot 6. Also we are odds on favorites in some websites such as this one...
It's happening!!!!!! But please guys don't lose your minds. Any Simmons deal for Edwards is a hard no.
Well, I don't know that there is anything new here. The articles I read say that he grew 2 inches since being drafted and that's old news. No report that I've seen said Edwards grew two inches this offseason like the OP said. I'm all for a 6"10 Edwards but I am not convinced he's any taller than he was at the end of the season. Its pretty common for different sources to report different heights, but if Edwards says he grew an inch or two, this offseason, then I'll believe it (on the other hand, he does swim like Michael Phelps, so maybe its just more hyperbole).
So how can he have grown two inches in the offseason and still be only 6"6? He was reportedly 6"6 back in November of last year. https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/2020/11/19/21575235/nba-draft-anthony-edwards-minnesota-timberwolves
NBA.com had Edwards listed at 6'3. I'm guessing that was his height without shoes from sometime before the pre-draft process. Apparently, Edwards grew one inch during the 2020 pre-draft process. That would make his 6'4 at the time he was drafted. Finch is now saying that Edwards grew another 2 inches since then, which makes him 6'6. So it all hangs together. Some of the confusion comes from other reports before last year's draft that listed Edwards at 6'4 or 6'5. I'm guessing the 6'5 was the typical inflated height measurement or estimate with shoes. I trust the NBA.com measurement of 6'3 and assume it was without shoes. Another source of confusion is the fact that the prior one-inch growth spurt apparently took place during last year's long pre-draft period between the end of the college season and the actually NBA draft. The Wolves reported a one-inch growth between the Ant's college season and the draft. I make sense. If 6'3 was the starting point from college, then one inch leading up to last year's draft plus another 2 inches since then would make him 6'6. That's really impressive if it's without shoes. It will be interesting to see him in person this season.
crazysauce wrote:I can't believe any of you would entertain an Edwards for Simmons swap. That is crazy. Not a chance would I include Edwards. Also not sure if you guys had heard but Edwards has grown 2 inches in the offseason and is now at 6 foot 6. Also we are odds on favorites in some websites such as this one...
It's happening!!!!!! But please guys don't lose your minds. Any Simmons deal for Edwards is a hard no.
So how can he have grown two inches in the offseason and still be only 6"6? He was reportedly 6"6 back in November of last year. https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/2020/11/19/21575235/nba-draft-anthony-edwards-minnesota-timberwolves
NBA.com had Edwards listed at 6'3. I'm guessing that was his height without shoes from sometime before the pre-draft process. Apparently, Edwards grew one inch during the 2020 pre-draft process. That would make his 6'4 at the time he was drafted. Finch is now saying that Edwards grew another 2 inches since then, which makes him 6'6. So it all hangs together. Some of the confusion comes from other reports before last year's draft that listed Edwards at 6'4 or 6'5. I'm guessing the 6'5 was the typical inflated height measurement or estimate with shoes. I trust the NBA.com measurement of 6'3 and assume it was without shoes. Another source of confusion is the fact that the prior one-inch growth spurt apparently took place during last year's long pre-draft period between the end of the college season and the actually NBA draft. The Wolves reported a one-inch growth between the Ant's college season and the draft. I make sense. If 6'3 was the starting point from college, then one inch leading up to last year's draft plus another 2 inches since then would make him 6'6. That's really impressive if it's without shoes. It will be interesting to see him in person this season.
Well, I don't know that there is anything new here. The articles I read say that he grew 2 inches since being drafted and that's old news. No report that I've seen said Edwards grew two inches this offseason like the OP said. I'm all for a 6"10 Edwards but I am not convinced he's any taller than he was at the end of the season. Its pretty common for different sources to report different heights, but if Edwards says he grew an inch or two, this offseason, then I'll believe it (on the other hand, he does swim like Michael Phelps, so maybe its just more hyperbole).
Probably the pukiest trade idea that I've seen was this one from NBCSports and it came out today: The Timberwolves could roughly match Simmons' value with a package including Malik Beasley, Josh Okogie, Jaden McDaniels, four first-round picks and three first-round pick swaps. However, those picks don't directly help the 76ers, who are trying to win now. So, this would likely have to be a multi-team deal - which are never easy to pull off. https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/01/report-timberwolves-talking-about-karl-anthony-towns-anthony-edwards-dangelo-russell-ben-simmons-core/ Only a player like LeBron or Kobe in their prime is worth that kind of bounty. Ben Simmons sure is not worth even half of that price.
This is what I had in mind for a three-team trade involving the Pacers. I think all teams come out of this relatively happy -- or as happy as Philadelphia could be given the circumstances.
Indiana was apparently willing to offer Brogdon for Simmons. I don't see them giving up Brogdon for Maxey, Prince and a 2022 1st-round pick. Maybe the Wolves can become a third team to facilitate Simmons going to Indiana for Brogdon by sending Beasley and a 2023 1st-round pick to Philly, sending Naz Reid along with 2022 2nd-round pick to Indiana, and getting Myles Turner. Indiana could deal their own 2022 or 2023 1st-round pick to Philly as well. Indiana gets the best player in the deal and the player they were trying to get earlier in exchange for Brogdon. Philly gets a sharp-shooting SG along with Brogdan and a couple of 1st round picks. Minnesota gets the defensive, rim-protected big they need next to KAT in exchange for Beasley and a future protected first. Seems like a fair deal all around.
Minnesota sends Malik Beasley, Naz Reid, a 2023 first-round pick, and a 2022 second-round pick to Indiana and Philadelphia for Myles Turner? That would be an awful trade for the Wolves in my view so I truly hope that's not even being discussed.
Well, the Wolves aren't going to get Simmons for those assets. And Myles Turner, if healthy, would be a huge upgrade for the Wolves up front. He's an elite defender and rim-protector who can also hit threes. The first-round pick would be lottery protected in 2023 and the 2nd rounder is one of three 2nd-round picks the Wolves have next year. So the only significant asset the Wolves would be giving up would be Beasley. I don't think that's a terrible deal for the Wolves unless you believe that Turner won't stay healthy, which would be a legitimate concern and a reason why I might not make that deal. But I hardly think that deal would be "awful" for the Wolves.
Lip you gave up a 1st, a 2nd, Beasley and Naz Reid for Turner. 2 of those assets (ok throw in the 2nd rounder or not) fine but all 4? With Turner's injury history that's a bad trade. Might as well throw in a couple more assets and get Simmons. The reality is both guys I pause about giving up the assets required to get them because of their injury history. Turner is certainly more worrisome of the 2 but I do have some pause about Simmons.
John Wall, before the injuries, was a bit Simmons-esque in perspectives?
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crazysauce wrote:I can't believe any of you would entertain an Edwards for Simmons swap. That is crazy. Not a chance would I include Edwards. Also not sure if you guys had heard but Edwards has grown 2 inches in the offseason and is now at 6 foot 6. Also we are odds on favorites in some websites such as this one...
It's happening!!!!!! But please guys don't lose your minds. Any Simmons deal for Edwards is a hard no.
So how can he have grown two inches in the offseason and still be only 6"6? He was reportedly 6"6 back in November of last year. https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/2020/11/19/21575235/nba-draft-anthony-edwards-minnesota-timberwolves
NBA.com had Edwards listed at 6'3. I'm guessing that was his height without shoes from sometime before the pre-draft process. Apparently, Edwards grew one inch during the 2020 pre-draft process. That would make his 6'4 at the time he was drafted. Finch is now saying that Edwards grew another 2 inches since then, which makes him 6'6. So it all hangs together. Some of the confusion comes from other reports before last year's draft that listed Edwards at 6'4 or 6'5. I'm guessing the 6'5 was the typical inflated height measurement or estimate with shoes. I trust the NBA.com measurement of 6'3 and assume it was without shoes. Another source of confusion is the fact that the prior one-inch growth spurt apparently took place during last year's long pre-draft period between the end of the college season and the actually NBA draft. The Wolves reported a one-inch growth between the Ant's college season and the draft. I make sense. If 6'3 was the starting point from college, then one inch leading up to last year's draft plus another 2 inches since then would make him 6'6. That's really impressive if it's without shoes. It will be interesting to see him in person this season.
There is no way he is 6"6" without shoes...that's Kawhi's height. 6'4" or 6'4.5" without shoes I'll believe. I think his starting point (the draft) was probably closer to 6'2" and he's grown 2 inches since then.
I guess we can give it the eye test soon enough....
This is what I had in mind for a three-team trade involving the Pacers. I think all teams come out of this relatively happy -- or as happy as Philadelphia could be given the circumstances.
Indiana was apparently willing to offer Brogdon for Simmons. I don't see them giving up Brogdon for Maxey, Prince and a 2022 1st-round pick. Maybe the Wolves can become a third team to facilitate Simmons going to Indiana for Brogdon by sending Beasley and a 2023 1st-round pick to Philly, sending Naz Reid along with 2022 2nd-round pick to Indiana, and getting Myles Turner. Indiana could deal their own 2022 or 2023 1st-round pick to Philly as well. Indiana gets the best player in the deal and the player they were trying to get earlier in exchange for Brogdon. Philly gets a sharp-shooting SG along with Brogdan and a couple of 1st round picks. Minnesota gets the defensive, rim-protected big they need next to KAT in exchange for Beasley and a future protected first. Seems like a fair deal all around.
Minnesota sends Malik Beasley, Naz Reid, a 2023 first-round pick, and a 2022 second-round pick to Indiana and Philadelphia for Myles Turner? That would be an awful trade for the Wolves in my view so I truly hope that's not even being discussed.
Well, the Wolves aren't going to get Simmons for those assets. And Myles Turner, if healthy, would be a huge upgrade for the Wolves up front. He's an elite defender and rim-protector who can also hit threes. The first-round pick would be lottery protected in 2023 and the 2nd rounder is one of three 2nd-round picks the Wolves have next year. So the only significant asset the Wolves would be giving up would be Beasley. I don't think that's a terrible deal for the Wolves unless you believe that Turner won't stay healthy, which would be a legitimate concern and a reason why I might not make that deal. But I hardly think that deal would be "awful" for the Wolves.
Lip you gave up a 1st, a 2nd, Beasley and Naz Reid for Turner. 2 of those assets (ok throw in the 2nd rounder or not) fine but all 4? With Turner's injury history that's a bad trade. Might as well throw in a couple more assets and get Simmons. The reality is both guys I pause about giving up the assets required to get them because of their injury history. Turner is certainly more worrisome of the 2 but I do have some pause about Simmons.
I hear you, Monster. I look at the 2nd-round pick as meaningless from our standpoint given that the Wolves have three of them next year. So it's basically Beasley, Naz Reid and our 2023 lottery-protected 1st for Myles Turner. That's a lot less than the assets people are talking about giving up for Simmons. I think that's a reasonable deal for the Wolves if Myles can stay healthy. However, I understand that' a pretty big if. How would you feel about the trade if Naz were taken out of it? Beasley and a 2023 lottery-protected 1st? Seems reasonable to me, although I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger on it myself. My main point was that Minnesota's involvement in a three-team with Philly and Indiana would make more sense as a way for Indiana to get Simmons than for Minnesota to get him.
Weird to think we could be the beneficiary of a sleazebag Rich Paul move. I guess kissing Klutch's ass is every GMs duty from here on out. At least we know how Sixers fans feel. Can we get Lebron on the vet min to round out our team next year?
