Wiggins Trade Deadline Deals

[AbeVigodaLive]

We all know the Wolves would get a disappointing return for Wiggins. That's a given.

Personally, I'm sick of watching him after the past six years. Simple as that. I'm ready for change. I just don't know how to get legit value for him... or to make the team better.

Then again, I'm not the guy getting paid to do that.



[Note: Wiggins seems like a decent guy. Stays out of trouble. Pretty respectable. And he's not a bad player by any means. Sometimes, he's awesome. Just tired of watching him on this team... and that has as much to do with the Wolves in general over the past 6 years as it has to do with him. There's a stink attached.]

[Wolvesfan21]

We all know the Wolves would get a disappointing return for Wiggins. That's a given.

Personally, I'm sick of watching him after the past six years. Simple as that. I'm ready for change. I just don't know how to get legit value for him... or to make the team better.

Then again, I'm not the guy getting paid to do that.



[Note: Wiggins seems like a decent guy. Stays out of trouble. Pretty respectable. And he's not a bad player by any means. Sometimes, he's awesome. Just tired of watching him on this team... and that has as much to do with the Wolves in general over the past 6 years as it has to do with him. There's a stink attached.]

He plays like a SAB too, at least when he was younger he would throw the ball down for some excitement. Now sure, his percentage around the rim is good, so I can't totally complain. But he's no where near even avg in the intensity department as for as NBA players go. Doing the other things and not doing them wildly as he seems to do them like going for rebounds haphazardly. He always got away with athletic ability so he never worked on rebounding as a skill for instance. So he may half ass go for a rebound but he's not like a similar sized dude who dominates like Kawhi Leonard. The antithesis of Wiggins.

It'd be pretty funny watching them do a rebound competition. Or sad.

I guess that is the part where Abe and most of us are frustrated, these guys got paid and are still getting paid 10's of millions to half ass. Really why waste my time watching these stiffs like Wiggins.

[TAFKASP]

You know we've hit rock bottom when it's no longer fun talking shit about Wiggins. I haven't posted much lately (you're welcome) because after 15 years of ineptitude I just haven't had the motivation to continue contribute my half assed, baseless opinions anymore. See, all is not lost!

[mjs34]

I am completely frustrated with this team, and it starts with coaching and the FO staff. Why would these guys actually show any effort when it clearly is not expected. We have a coach who wants to be friends with the players, a PBO who runs a team on Fantasy Island, and an owner who clearly doesn't really care about winning.

Saunders should be coaching in the D league. The NBA is for professionals that are judged on success, not their personalities. Maybe HS is more fitting to his personality.

Rosas should design the next video BB game. Taking 40 3's a game only works when you have personnel that can hit them. How can you expect effort from your players when you start out the season saying you don't care about wins and losses. It's clear that Ryan got the message, but why are we playing Shabazz with Teague then? That is neither a winning combination or a development situation.

Why can't we shoot 3's instead of long 2's for with guys that can make them. Others can continue to move the ball. For those of you that cry "the system" and spacing, maybe you haven't noticed that the teams aren't guarding them on the perimeter. Why do you think Gorgui can get his shot off?

Ultimately, the problem is simple, Poor Coaching. Look no further than our players lined up during FT's. Every other team fights for offensive rebs, while our guys turn and trot down the court. Why even line up at all? Why don't they just setup the half court D? No expectation of winning (or thinking for that matter).

Young players get very little actually teaching on their way to the pros. You have to put a system in place to address this. Where is our shooting coach? We complain about Wiggins rebounding, but we continually put him out against players with 30 lbs on him. Same for Roco. Stop playing small ball and shooting 3's you can't make, and this team would easily be at .500 or better.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

Stop playing small ball and shooting 3's you can't make, and this team would easily be at .500 or better.

This is an interesting comment. Many on this board have always been under the impression that we just needed to shoot more 3's instead of long 2's to be more successful. But the reality is that there is a difference in success rate, and as stated, we simply don't have the personnel to do this successfully. I am on board that until you get the right players, you need to play to the current players strength....which isn't shooting 3's. We can continue pounding the square peg into the round hole, but results will continue to be the same.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Young players get very little actually teaching on their way to the pros. You have to put a system in place to address this. Where is our shooting coach? We complain about Wiggins rebounding, but we continually put him out against players with 30 lbs on him. Same for Roco. Stop playing small ball and shooting 3's you can't make, and this team would easily be at .500 or better.

To be fair... Shai Gigeous Alexander is listed at 6'5" and 181.

He had 20 (TWENTY!) rebounds. Wiggins had one rebound. Covington had four rebounds. Both of those guys are bigger (and smarter?) than the youngster. And it's not like OKC is a rebounding team... they're last in OREB% and 19th in DREB %.

We can KEEP blaming coaches. I mean... we're good at it... we've done it with 7 different coaches in the past decade for chrissakes. But I don't think coaching is the team's primary problem right now.

Eventually, maybe. Ryan Saunders very very likely isn't the answer. But we're not even close to asking those questions yet.

[thedoper]

We all know the Wolves would get a disappointing return for Wiggins. That's a given.

Personally, I'm sick of watching him after the past six years. Simple as that. I'm ready for change. I just don't know how to get legit value for him... or to make the team better.

Then again, I'm not the guy getting paid to do that.



[Note: Wiggins seems like a decent guy. Stays out of trouble. Pretty respectable. And he's not a bad player by any means. Sometimes, he's awesome. Just tired of watching him on this team... and that has as much to do with the Wolves in general over the past 6 years as it has to do with him. There's a stink attached.]

That's totally fine for a fan take. But if a GM got rid of a player out of boredom for their game Id be worried. Ditching him for Cap space would be the worst possible thing I'd hope a GM would do. But even for all his flaws, Id have to think that cap relief could come immediately for someone like Wiggins.

[mjs34]

Young players get very little actually teaching on their way to the pros. You have to put a system in place to address this. Where is our shooting coach? We complain about Wiggins rebounding, but we continually put him out against players with 30 lbs on him. Same for Roco. Stop playing small ball and shooting 3's you can't make, and this team would easily be at .500 or better.

To be fair... Shai Gigeous Alexander is listed at 6'5" and 181.

He had 20 (TWENTY!) rebounds. Wiggins had one rebound. Covington had four rebounds. Both of those guys are bigger (and smarter?) than the youngster. And it's not like OKC is a rebounding team... they're last in OREB% and 19th in DREB %.

We can KEEP blaming coaches. I mean... we're good at it... we've done it with 7 different coaches in the past decade for chrissakes. But I don't think coaching is the team's primary problem right now.

Eventually, maybe. Ryan Saunders very very likely isn't the answer. But we're not even close to asking those questions yet.

Your comments are anything but FAIR!

SGA averaged 5.3 rebs, and the fact that they are a bad rebounding team could actually work in his favor. SGA has hit double digits one other time (10) this season, so his 20 is an anomaly. Aren't you the one always calling out small sample size?

I watched the first quarter in which SGA had 7 rebs, with 6 being uncontested and the 7th being stolen out of Ferguson's hands. Also he was being guarded by Napier, which is my point with Wiggins being matched against bigger players.

My post wasn't about Wiggins in one game, and I am not standing up for him. You can trade him tomorrow for a bag of peanuts as far I am concerned. This team is going nowhere as currently constructed and coached.

Coaches control the minutes that players get, Plain and Simple. If Wiggins isn't putting out effort, put him on the bench.

I wouldn't know what I had in a player until I exhausted all avenues, and the coaches aren't doing that.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Edit: Wrong thread

[ItsJustSoSab]

We all know the Wolves would get a disappointing return for Wiggins. That's a given.

Personally, I'm sick of watching him after the past six years. Simple as that. I'm ready for change. I just don't know how to get legit value for him... or to make the team better.

Then again, I'm not the guy getting paid to do that.



[Note: Wiggins seems like a decent guy. Stays out of trouble. Pretty respectable. And he's not a bad player by any means. Sometimes, he's awesome. Just tired of watching him on this team... and that has as much to do with the Wolves in general over the past 6 years as it has to do with him. There's a stink attached.]

He plays like a SAB tooHe plays like a SAB too, at least when he was younger he would throw the ball down for some excitement. Now sure, his percentage around the rim is good, so I can't totally complain. But he's no where near even avg in the intensity department as for as NBA players go. Doing the other things and not doing them wildly as he seems to do them like going for rebounds haphazardly. He always got away with athletic ability so he never worked on rebounding as a skill for instance. So he may half ass go for a rebound but he's not like a similar sized dude who dominates like Kawhi Leonard. The antithesis of Wiggins.

It'd be pretty funny watching them do a rebound competition. Or sad.

I guess that is the part where Abe and most of us are frustrated, these guys got paid and are still getting paid 10's of millions to half ass. Really why waste my time watching these stiffs like Wiggins.

Hey, hey, hey I might not be a Larry Bird, but give me more credit than that