crazy-canuck wrote:Kat has the second worst drtg on the team (bell is worse), so im good with any addition to help him out.
As good as he is offensively, his defense barely has him a net minus on the year.
This is the best defense Kat has anchored since he has been in the league (22nd in the NBA). So it has been really bad but I don't know if adding a more expensive big next to Kat is a smart idea.
Teams can still find Kat out and have him run PnR against him. Also I don't think Kat will be successful guarding teams that go small. Also how the NBA is set up I don't know if Kat can dominate if teams put a smaller guy on Kat, with all the beating post defenders are allowed to do and how you can double the post.
Turner and Capela are good players but I would rather use the cap space and trade assets on wings and guards because they run the league
I think the wolves are going to struggle to trade Teague. His expiring is big so harder to have people match his salary and it's a bad FA class so cap space this offseason is not as important as previous years.
Only if the wolves take a risk of Teague, Gorgui and Cov for Wall or Paul I just don't see Teague getting traded
crazy-canuck wrote:Kat has the second worst drtg on the team (bell is worse), so im good with any addition to help him out.
As good as he is offensively, his defense barely has him a net minus on the year.
This is the best defense Kat has anchored since he has been in the league (22nd in the NBA). So it has been really bad but I don't know if adding a more expensive big next to Kat is a smart idea.
Teams can still find Kat out and have him run PnR against him. Also I don't think Kat will be successful guarding teams that go small. Also how the NBA is set up I don't know if Kat can dominate if teams put a smaller guy on Kat, with all the beating post defenders are allowed to do and how you can double the post.
Turner and Capela are good players but I would rather use the cap space and trade assets on wings and guards because they run the league
I don't agree with the argument that getting a big next to KAT means he would still get exposed in the PnR. There's a big difference when your backstop is Capela than Covington. We wouldn't have to play drop coverage because we'd actually have a big on weakside defense rather than a wing. We could actually defend screens aggressively because more mistakes would get erased with a real rim protector. Small ball needs a good rim protector and we don't have one, but we do have a big in Towns who can fulfill the offensive role of a small ball 4. I don't buy that you can't play 2 bigs in this league. The 76ers are making it work with Embiid and Al and that's what we need to do here or else we'll never be a good defensive team and if you don't have a great offense you can't makeup for having a bad defense.
crazy-canuck wrote:Kat has the second worst drtg on the team (bell is worse), so im good with any addition to help him out.
As good as he is offensively, his defense barely has him a net minus on the year.
This is the best defense Kat has anchored since he has been in the league (22nd in the NBA). So it has been really bad but I don't know if adding a more expensive big next to Kat is a smart idea.
Teams can still find Kat out and have him run PnR against him. Also I don't think Kat will be successful guarding teams that go small. Also how the NBA is set up I don't know if Kat can dominate if teams put a smaller guy on Kat, with all the beating post defenders are allowed to do and how you can double the post.
Turner and Capela are good players but I would rather use the cap space and trade assets on wings and guards because they run the league
I don't agree with the argument that getting a big next to KAT means he would still get exposed in the PnR. There's a big difference when your backstop is Capela than Covington. We wouldn't have to play drop coverage because we'd actually have a big on weakside defense rather than a wing. We could actually defend screens aggressively because more mistakes would get erased with a real rim protector. Small ball needs a good rim protector and we don't have one, but we do have a big in Towns who can fulfill the offensive role of a small ball 4. I don't buy that you can't play 2 bigs in this league. The 76ers are making it work with Embiid and Al and that's what we need to do here or else we'll never be a good defensive team and if you don't have a great offense you can't makeup for having a bad defense.
I think the difference comparing us and the Sixers is Embiid and Horford are elite defenders while Kat is still sub par in the majority of NBA games. I can use examples of Cousins/AD, Griffin/ Drummond and there is a reason why Pacers don't want to run 2 bigs anymore
I just don't think is a mobile enough defender in the NBA to be able up guard 4s in today's game.
kekgeek1 wrote:Turner and Capela are good players but I would rather use the cap space and trade assets on wings and guards because they run the league
So, hypothetically speaking, the Wolves could do the trade with the Pacers for Turner and Warren and still manage a deal for a ball-handler using Teague's expiring plus other assets. At that point there would be no bad money against the cap besides perhaps Wiggins and he's at least been useful/decent this year.
For argument's sake, Teague and Culver for Russell works. A top-20 protected first-round pick could be put on the table too. At that point you're locking yourself into a young core of Towns (24), Wiggins (24), Russell (23), Turner (23), and Warren (26). Money would be almost fully allocated for the future, but one could argue that's how it is already but with a lot less talent on the roster.
kekgeek1 wrote:I think the wolves are going to struggle to trade Teague. His expiring is big so harder to have people match his salary and it's a bad FA class so cap space this offseason is not as important as previous years.
Only if the wolves take a risk of Teague, Gorgui and Cov for Wall or Paul I just don't see Teague getting traded
There are actually a number of teams with expiring players with similar salaries to Teague that aren't exactly awesome players (Teams would be willing to deal then) so there is a chance if the right team wanted Teague he could be moved in a deal. If the Wolves are really going nowhere at some point and Teague wants out...a buyout would be fine with me. I'm not really holding out much hope we are going to get any value out of anyone other than Covington. I really thought Napier was going to play better than this (and he still could) and bring a small asset but not at this rate. Interesting to note than Napier's poor shooting so far is only from 3 his 2 point numbers are quite good.
kekgeek1 wrote:Turner and Capela are good players but I would rather use the cap space and trade assets on wings and guards because they run the league
So, hypothetically speaking, the Wolves could do the trade with the Pacers for Turner and Warren and still manage a deal for a ball-handler using Teague's expiring plus other assets. At that point there would be no bad money against the cap besides perhaps Wiggins and he's at least been useful/decent this year.
For argument's sake, Teague and Culver for Russell works. A top-20 protected first-round pick could be put on the table too. At that point you're locking yourself into a young core of Towns (24), Wiggins (24), Russell (23), Turner (23), and Warren (26). Money would be almost fully allocated for the future, but one could argue that's how it is already but with a lot less talent on the roster.
Turner is getting paid a flat 18 million for the next 4 years. The Pacers have both bigs locked in for a perfectly reasonable amount of money IMO. Remember the mid-level is what like 9 million and solid starters are going to tend to get at least that. Last season I believe Turner took quite a step forward defensively. Looking at some quick advanced numbers it doesn't seem like it's going as well this year. He is also an underwhelming rebounder in terms of how many he pulls down but he is a shot locker for sure. His skill set would likely intrigue the Wolves more than Capela although I think Capela is a better player. As Cam pointed out though Turner is still 23 (turns 24 in March). I get wanting to put as many resources into the perimeter though.
crazy-canuck wrote:Kat has the second worst drtg on the team (bell is worse), so im good with any addition to help him out.
As good as he is offensively, his defense barely has him a net minus on the year.
This is the best defense Kat has anchored since he has been in the league (22nd in the NBA). So it has been really bad but I don't know if adding a more expensive big next to Kat is a smart idea.
Teams can still find Kat out and have him run PnR against him. Also I don't think Kat will be successful guarding teams that go small. Also how the NBA is set up I don't know if Kat can dominate if teams put a smaller guy on Kat, with all the beating post defenders are allowed to do and how you can double the post.
Turner and Capela are good players but I would rather use the cap space and trade assets on wings and guards because they run the league
I don't agree with the argument that getting a big next to KAT means he would still get exposed in the PnR. There's a big difference when your backstop is Capela than Covington. We wouldn't have to play drop coverage because we'd actually have a big on weakside defense rather than a wing. We could actually defend screens aggressively because more mistakes would get erased with a real rim protector. Small ball needs a good rim protector and we don't have one, but we do have a big in Towns who can fulfill the offensive role of a small ball 4. I don't buy that you can't play 2 bigs in this league. The 76ers are making it work with Embiid and Al and that's what we need to do here or else we'll never be a good defensive team and if you don't have a great offense you can't makeup for having a bad defense.
I think the difference comparing us and the Sixers is Embiid and Horford are elite defenders while Kat is still sub par in the majority of NBA games. I can use examples of Cousins/AD, Griffin/ Drummond and there is a reason why Pacers don't want to run 2 bigs anymore
I just don't think is a mobile enough defender in the NBA to be able up guard 4s in today's game.
If that's the case then I don't see how we ever have a top 15 defense in the NBA with KAT at the 5. If he can't even play 4 with a backstop how are we supposed to have a good defense with him as the backstop? If we can't get in to even the top 15 defensively I don't see how we ever become a top 4 playoff team. You just can't win series with a bottom 10 defense every year. At some point you have to get stops and this team has no ability to do that with KAT as the anchor.
crazy-canuck wrote:Kat has the second worst drtg on the team (bell is worse), so im good with any addition to help him out.
As good as he is offensively, his defense barely has him a net minus on the year.
This is the best defense Kat has anchored since he has been in the league (22nd in the NBA). So it has been really bad but I don't know if adding a more expensive big next to Kat is a smart idea.
Teams can still find Kat out and have him run PnR against him. Also I don't think Kat will be successful guarding teams that go small. Also how the NBA is set up I don't know if Kat can dominate if teams put a smaller guy on Kat, with all the beating post defenders are allowed to do and how you can double the post.
Turner and Capela are good players but I would rather use the cap space and trade assets on wings and guards because they run the league
I don't agree with the argument that getting a big next to KAT means he would still get exposed in the PnR. There's a big difference when your backstop is Capela than Covington. We wouldn't have to play drop coverage because we'd actually have a big on weakside defense rather than a wing. We could actually defend screens aggressively because more mistakes would get erased with a real rim protector. Small ball needs a good rim protector and we don't have one, but we do have a big in Towns who can fulfill the offensive role of a small ball 4. I don't buy that you can't play 2 bigs in this league. The 76ers are making it work with Embiid and Al and that's what we need to do here or else we'll never be a good defensive team and if you don't have a great offense you can't makeup for having a bad defense.
I think the difference comparing us and the Sixers is Embiid and Horford are elite defenders while Kat is still sub par in the majority of NBA games. I can use examples of Cousins/AD, Griffin/ Drummond and there is a reason why Pacers don't want to run 2 bigs anymore
I just don't think is a mobile enough defender in the NBA to be able up guard 4s in today's game.
If that's the case then I don't see how we ever have a top 15 defense in the NBA with KAT at the 5. If he can't even play 4 with a backstop how are we supposed to have a good defense with him as the backstop? If we can't get in to even the top 15 defensively I don't see how we ever become a top 4 playoff team. You just can't win series with a bottom 10 defense every year. At some point you have to get stops and this team has no ability to do that with KAT as the anchor.
I think Kat figures it out or he dosen't. But once again I could be wrong with the defensive center just think that is how it would play out if we acquired one
Q12543 wrote:When has giving a talented, but under-achieving player a shot ever worked out for this franchise? The answer is never. They inevitably continue to underachieve and then move on.
Chauncey Billups?
Granted, he wasn't lights out... but he was a heckuva lot better than he was previously. He left anyway... then got even better, of course.
