thedoper wrote:"For sure it's different because everything here is organized," Wiggins said. "You know what you're doing every night, you know what you're getting yourself into, you know the minutes you're going to play, you know your rotation. There was a couple years like that in Minnesota where you know everything. I was with Coach Thibs [Tom Thibodeau]; Thibs was very organized. And Thibs was very clear; he was very straightforward."
Even in truth... I found the quote to be disingenuous.
The same issues that plagued Wiggins during his entire stay in Minnesota... plagued him with Thibs in charge.
thedoper wrote:"For sure it's different because everything here is organized," Wiggins said. "You know what you're doing every night, you know what you're getting yourself into, you know the minutes you're going to play, you know your rotation. There was a couple years like that in Minnesota where you know everything. I was with Coach Thibs [Tom Thibodeau]; Thibs was very organized. And Thibs was very clear; he was very straightforward."
Even in truth... I found the quote to be disingenuous.
The same issues that plagued Wiggins during his entire stay in Minnesota... plagued him with Thibs in charge.
The article by Fridell is good. There was clearly a lot of dysfunction with the Wolves. I blamed Thibs for a while, but I've been rethinking that narrative. I didnt really share that quote to praise Wiggins in any way, but to share the likely perceptions that the players had of various people within the organization.
Wiggins and Harrison Barnes are two very similar players that basically have opposite trajectories when it comes to their team success.
Wiggins got his first massive deal with the Wolves coming off his rookie contract and basically toiled away on poor Wolves teams (except for the Butler year) as the #1A or B option. He finally got traded and has now found more team success with the Warriors where he is surrounded by better players and coaching, which in turn has burnished his reputation (as Kek continues to point out, he's really not that much better of a player).
Barnes started his career with the Warriors and experienced major team success relatively early. He was a key cog during their first title run, but was a #3 or 4 option at best. He parlayed that into a massive deal (at the time) with Dallas, then went on to kind of struggle as a #1 option and the team went nowhere. Mmmmm, sound familiar?
Basically, both these guys have NBA bodies and skills, but lack a killer instinct, elite motor, or out-of-this world shooting. But plug them into a good system with other good players and they will be fine.
Q12543 wrote:Wiggins and Harrison Barnes are two very similar players that basically have opposite trajectories when it comes to their team success.
Wiggins got his first massive deal with the Wolves coming off his rookie contract and basically toiled away on poor Wolves teams (except for the Butler year) as the #1A or B option. He finally got traded and has now found more team success with the Warriors where he is surrounded by better players and coaching, which in turn has burnished his reputation (as Kek continues to point out, he's really not that much better of a player).
Barnes started his career with the Warriors and experienced major team success relatively early. He was a key cog during their first title run, but was a #3 or 4 option at best. He parlayed that into a massive deal (at the time) with Dallas, then went on to kind of struggle as a #1 option and the team went nowhere. Mmmmm, sound familiar?
Basically, both these guys have NBA bodies and skills, but lack a killer instinct, elite motor, or out-of-this world shooting. But plug them into a good system with other good players and they will be fine.
Barnes cost the Warriors the 2016 title.
Shot a very Wolves-ian 5 - 32 fg in the final 3 games... on almost entirely wide-open looks.
Pretty sure Draymond Green contributed to the 2016 Cavalier title!!!
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Wiggins and Harrison Barnes are two very similar players that basically have opposite trajectories when it comes to their team success.
Wiggins got his first massive deal with the Wolves coming off his rookie contract and basically toiled away on poor Wolves teams (except for the Butler year) as the #1A or B option. He finally got traded and has now found more team success with the Warriors where he is surrounded by better players and coaching, which in turn has burnished his reputation (as Kek continues to point out, he's really not that much better of a player).
Barnes started his career with the Warriors and experienced major team success relatively early. He was a key cog during their first title run, but was a #3 or 4 option at best. He parlayed that into a massive deal (at the time) with Dallas, then went on to kind of struggle as a #1 option and the team went nowhere. Mmmmm, sound familiar?
Basically, both these guys have NBA bodies and skills, but lack a killer instinct, elite motor, or out-of-this world shooting. But plug them into a good system with other good players and they will be fine.
Barnes cost the Warriors the 2016 title.
Shot a very Wolves-ian 5 - 32 fg in the final 3 games... on almost entirely wide-open looks.
leado01 wrote:Pretty sure Draymond Green contributed to the 2016 Cavalier title!!!
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Wiggins and Harrison Barnes are two very similar players that basically have opposite trajectories when it comes to their team success.
Wiggins got his first massive deal with the Wolves coming off his rookie contract and basically toiled away on poor Wolves teams (except for the Butler year) as the #1A or B option. He finally got traded and has now found more team success with the Warriors where he is surrounded by better players and coaching, which in turn has burnished his reputation (as Kek continues to point out, he's really not that much better of a player).
Barnes started his career with the Warriors and experienced major team success relatively early. He was a key cog during their first title run, but was a #3 or 4 option at best. He parlayed that into a massive deal (at the time) with Dallas, then went on to kind of struggle as a #1 option and the team went nowhere. Mmmmm, sound familiar?
Basically, both these guys have NBA bodies and skills, but lack a killer instinct, elite motor, or out-of-this world shooting. But plug them into a good system with other good players and they will be fine.
Barnes cost the Warriors the 2016 title.
Shot a very Wolves-ian 5 - 32 fg in the final 3 games... on almost entirely wide-open looks.
Sure. The nut punch was costly.
But I think his Game 7 performance gets lost sometimes. It was one of the GREATEST offensive performances ever in a Game 7. Crazy to think it was the same guy who had 39/28 splits last year and is down to 35/23 this year.
