Q12543 wrote:Lip, You are technically correct that Edwards and KAT's windows can overlap in terms of age. But I define KAT's window in the context of his Timberwolves window, which I think has a pretty short runway, i.e. perhaps this season and next, before he wants out. Edwards is not going to be that 2nd or 3rd star we need between now and next season - I just don't see it happening.
And there's always a possibility that Edwards, Culver, Okogie, Vado, Nowell, Beasley, Naz Reid and/or JMac all improve enough by next season for the Wolves to become a playoff team, in which case, KAT probably won't demand a trade.
Not trying to be Debbie Downer here... but that's simply not realistic. And it's not just a Wolves take. To hit on all 7/8 players improving enough simultaneously to make a difference just does not happen in the NBA.
Q12543 wrote:Lip, You are technically correct that Edwards and KAT's windows can overlap in terms of age. But I define KAT's window in the context of his Timberwolves window, which I think has a pretty short runway, i.e. perhaps this season and next, before he wants out. Edwards is not going to be that 2nd or 3rd star we need between now and next season - I just don't see it happening.
And there's always a possibility that Edwards, Culver, Okogie, Vado, Nowell, Beasley, Naz Reid and/or JMac all improve enough by next season for the Wolves to become a playoff team, in which case, KAT probably won't demand a trade.
Not trying to be Debbie Downer here... but that's simply not realistic. And it's not just a Wolves take. To hit on all 7/8 players improving enough simultaneously to make a difference just does not happen in the NBA.
Lol. Abe I didn't mean to suggest that we'd need to hit on all 7 or 8. Just a few of them; hence my use of "and/or." \\\\
Q12543 wrote:Lip, You are technically correct that Edwards and KAT's windows can overlap in terms of age. But I define KAT's window in the context of his Timberwolves window, which I think has a pretty short runway, i.e. perhaps this season and next, before he wants out. Edwards is not going to be that 2nd or 3rd star we need between now and next season - I just don't see it happening.
And there's always a possibility that Edwards, Culver, Okogie, Vado, Nowell, Beasley, Naz Reid and/or JMac all improve enough by next season for the Wolves to become a playoff team, in which case, KAT probably won't demand a trade.
Not trying to be Debbie Downer here... but that's simply not realistic. And it's not just a Wolves take. To hit on all 7/8 players improving enough simultaneously to make a difference just does not happen in the NBA.
Lol. Abe I didn't mean to suggest that we'd need to hit on all 7 or 8. Just a few of them; hence my use of "and/or." \\\\
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Not trying to be Debbie Downer here... but that's simply not realistic. And it's not just a Wolves take. To hit on all 7/8 players improving enough simultaneously to make a difference just does not happen in the NBA.
It doesn't happen often but Toronto came really close last year to achieve that with almost all of their young talent having career years. I think at least Van Fleet, Siakam, Powell, Anunoby and Boucher improved clearly and in addition they found couple of non-drafted promising rookies in Davis and Thomas.
It's interesting to review this discussion periodically. Right now we have to give the nod to Wiseman, as he as been superior by almost any statistical measure. We certainly don't know who is going to have the better career, but it's clear that those who argued that Wiseman had the higher floor were correct. While Wiseman has looked lost on defense at times, it's much easier to plug a rookie center into a rotation than a wing.
All that said, there is this interesting tweet from Robson yesterday:
Here's an incendiary little stat boosted by small sample size: Anthony Edwards currently leads qualified NBA players in points per possessions on isolations with 1.57 PPP. Only accounts for 1.3 points per game (22 for the season) because it is just 5% of his playtype on the court.
OK, absurdly small sample size. But still, it's tough to ignore any positive league-leading stat by a rookie, even on only 22 attempts. So, your thoughts. Does this mean anything? How could Ryan redesign/refocus his offense to take advantage of a guy with such a ridiculously high iso PPP?
FNG wrote:It's interesting to review this discussion periodically. Right now we have to give the nod to Wiseman, as he as been superior by almost any statistical measure. We certainly don't know who is going to have the better career, but it's clear that those who argued that Wiseman had the higher floor were correct. While Wiseman has looked lost on defense at times, it's much easier to plug a rookie center into a rotation than a wing.
All that said, there is this interesting tweet from Robson yesterday:
Here's an incendiary little stat boosted by small sample size: Anthony Edwards currently leads qualified NBA players in points per possessions on isolations with 1.57 PPP. Only accounts for 1.3 points per game (22 for the season) because it is just 5% of his playtype on the court.
OK, absurdly small sample size. But still, it's tough to ignore any positive league-leading stat by a rookie, even on only 22 attempts. So, your thoughts. Does this mean anything? How could Ryan redesign/refocus his offense to take advantage of a guy with such a ridiculously high iso PPP?
It's meaningless IMO. I'd be interested in how they define isolation, because it seems like he takes his guy off the dribble without a screen being set quite a lot. And then misses a lot.
Edwards is similar to Wiggins in a lot of ways that have nothing to do with motor or even methodology. One is that they are both really good at getting a clean shot off. That's critical to becoming a volume scorer. But just like Wiggins, it ultimately comes down to the making of shots, not taking of shots. 22PPG on a TS% of less than 54% is just not that impressive or very useful in today's NBA. And Edwards has a long ways to go just to reach that mark.
FNG wrote:It's interesting to review this discussion periodically. Right now we have to give the nod to Wiseman, as he as been superior by almost any statistical measure. We certainly don't know who is going to have the better career, but it's clear that those who argued that Wiseman had the higher floor were correct. While Wiseman has looked lost on defense at times, it's much easier to plug a rookie center into a rotation than a wing.
All that said, there is this interesting tweet from Robson yesterday:
Here's an incendiary little stat boosted by small sample size: Anthony Edwards currently leads qualified NBA players in points per possessions on isolations with 1.57 PPP. Only accounts for 1.3 points per game (22 for the season) because it is just 5% of his playtype on the court.
OK, absurdly small sample size. But still, it's tough to ignore any positive league-leading stat by a rookie, even on only 22 attempts. So, your thoughts. Does this mean anything? How could Ryan redesign/refocus his offense to take advantage of a guy with such a ridiculously high iso PPP?
It's meaningless IMO. I'd be interested in how they define isolation, because it seems like he takes his guy off the dribble without a screen being set quite a lot. And then misses a lot.
Edwards is similar to Wiggins in a lot of ways that have nothing to do with motor or even methodology. One is that they are both really good at getting a clean shot off. That's critical to becoming a volume scorer. But just like Wiggins, it ultimately comes down to the making of shots, not taking of shots. 22PPG on a TS% of less than 54% is just not that impressive or very useful in today's NBA. And Edwards has a long ways to go just to reach that mark.
Yeah, you're probably right. But still, however they measure this stat, he's still leading the league. I also wonder what they mean by isolation. I'd like to find where Robson found this stat and how it is measured. Q, I'd also be interested in you updating the thread you started that compared Ant's frequency and success rate on shots within 3 feet.
