lipoli390 wrote:I see it as a win-win deal given the situation each team is in. The Nets benefit by getting a young lottery talent in Russell without having any lottery picks last year, this year or next. And Moscov can play even though he's not worth his massive contract. The Lakers benefit by clearing Moscov's contract from their books, freeing up cap space next year to pursue Paul George or LeBron James (maybe both). Oh, and the Lakers get one of the League's better centers as well as another low 2017 first round pick.
So what is the Lakers' next move? I think they'll go hard after Paul George. The Nets deal gives the Lakers additional leverage because the Pacers now know that the Lakers will definitely have the cap space to sign George as a FA next year. That means there is absolutely no doubt that, if not traded this summer, George will leave next year without the Pacers getting anything in return.
The three other teams reportedly pursuing Paul George are the Celtics, Cavs and Clippers. I just don't think the Clippers or Cavs have the assets the Pacers would want in return -- i.e., younger high upside players and/or 1st round picks to start a rebuild process. The Celtics can clearly offer the best package for George and can do it without giving up any of the key players who led them to a 53-win season. But I have to believe the Celtics would be reluctant to offer much given George's upcoming free agency and stated desire to play in LA. That leaves the Lakers. And it's probably fair to say that the Pacers would probably prefer to see George go to the West than to a competing East Conference team like the Celtics or Cavs. So the Pacers should be highly motivated to trade Paul George to the Lakers this summer. The Lakers can offer Randle, the #27 & 28 picks in this year's draft and a future 1st. That package is definitely not the equivalent of George's talent. But that's not how NBA trades work. It's above market value, which turns significantly on the circumstances of each team. Given the Pacers' situation, I think they'll take that deal and George will be a Laker this fall.
David Aldridge tweeted that the Lakers tried to trade 2 to the kings for 5 and 10 and one of those picks would have been moved to the Pacers with 27 and 28 for PG but the Kings said no which I think is smart.
Interesting, Monster. I happen to see Ball as a franchise player so I'm not sure it was the right move for the Kings. But it all depends on what you think of Ball compared to the guys likely available at #5. What this tells me is that the Kings will, in fact, take Fox at #5 and don't see a significant gap between Ball and Fox.
60WinTim wrote:The Lakers' first plan for George has apparently failed:
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Lakers, per sources, engaged Sacramento in talks that would have sent the 2nd pick to the Kings for Sac's two 1st-rounders (5 and 10) (1/2)
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Lakers would have then packaged one of the Kings' picks w/27 & 28 along w/player in offer to Indy for Paul George. But Kings said no (2/2).
[Edit: this means the Lakers are willing to pass on Ball to get George... ]
Who would they go after then? Fox at #5? Someone needs to play point.
lipoli390 wrote:I see it as a win-win deal given the situation each team is in. The Nets benefit by getting a young lottery talent in Russell without having any lottery picks last year, this year or next. And Moscov can play even though he's not worth his massive contract. The Lakers benefit by clearing Moscov's contract from their books, freeing up cap space next year to pursue Paul George or LeBron James (maybe both). Oh, and the Lakers get one of the League's better centers as well as another low 2017 first round pick.
So what is the Lakers' next move? I think they'll go hard after Paul George. The Nets deal gives the Lakers additional leverage because the Pacers now know that the Lakers will definitely have the cap space to sign George as a FA next year. That means there is absolutely no doubt that, if not traded this summer, George will leave next year without the Pacers getting anything in return.
The three other teams reportedly pursuing Paul George are the Celtics, Cavs and Clippers. I just don't think the Clippers or Cavs have the assets the Pacers would want in return -- i.e., younger high upside players and/or 1st round picks to start a rebuild process. The Celtics can clearly offer the best package for George and can do it without giving up any of the key players who led them to a 53-win season. But I have to believe the Celtics would be reluctant to offer much given George's upcoming free agency and stated desire to play in LA. That leaves the Lakers. And it's probably fair to say that the Pacers would probably prefer to see George go to the West than to a competing East Conference team like the Celtics or Cavs. So the Pacers should be highly motivated to trade Paul George to the Lakers this summer. The Lakers can offer Randle, the #27 & 28 picks in this year's draft and a future 1st. That package is definitely not the equivalent of George's talent. But that's not how NBA trades work. It's above market value, which turns significantly on the circumstances of each team. Given the Pacers' situation, I think they'll take that deal and George will be a Laker this fall.
David Aldridge tweeted that the Lakers tried to trade 2 to the kings for 5 and 10 and one of those picks would have been moved to the Pacers with 27 and 28 for PG but the Kings said no which I think is smart.
Interesting, Monster. I happen to see Ball as a franchise player so I'm not sure it was the right move for the Kings. But it all depends on what you think of Ball compared to the guys likely available at #5. What this tells me is that the Kings will, in fact, take Fox at #5 and don't see a significant gap between Ball and Fox.
Well it's not like the guy they can get at 10 is a chump either. If they end up with say Fox and Zach Collins that would be a heck of a haul. They don't really need more bigs but Collins may be too good to pass up. It also possible they get a wing at 5 if someone drops and a PG at 10. I would have to be really convinced on Ball to give up 2 shots at a good player if the Lakers were going to throw in one of those lower picks I would be more interested...if I was all in on the guy at 2 which I am not.
lipoli390 wrote:I see it as a win-win deal given the situation each team is in. The Nets benefit by getting a young lottery talent in Russell without having any lottery picks last year, this year or next. And Moscov can play even though he's not worth his massive contract. The Lakers benefit by clearing Moscov's contract from their books, freeing up cap space next year to pursue Paul George or LeBron James (maybe both). Oh, and the Lakers get one of the League's better centers as well as another low 2017 first round pick.
So what is the Lakers' next move? I think they'll go hard after Paul George. The Nets deal gives the Lakers additional leverage because the Pacers now know that the Lakers will definitely have the cap space to sign George as a FA next year. That means there is absolutely no doubt that, if not traded this summer, George will leave next year without the Pacers getting anything in return.
The three other teams reportedly pursuing Paul George are the Celtics, Cavs and Clippers. I just don't think the Clippers or Cavs have the assets the Pacers would want in return -- i.e., younger high upside players and/or 1st round picks to start a rebuild process. The Celtics can clearly offer the best package for George and can do it without giving up any of the key players who led them to a 53-win season. But I have to believe the Celtics would be reluctant to offer much given George's upcoming free agency and stated desire to play in LA. That leaves the Lakers. And it's probably fair to say that the Pacers would probably prefer to see George go to the West than to a competing East Conference team like the Celtics or Cavs. So the Pacers should be highly motivated to trade Paul George to the Lakers this summer. The Lakers can offer Randle, the #27 & 28 picks in this year's draft and a future 1st. That package is definitely not the equivalent of George's talent. But that's not how NBA trades work. It's above market value, which turns significantly on the circumstances of each team. Given the Pacers' situation, I think they'll take that deal and George will be a Laker this fall.
David Aldridge tweeted that the Lakers tried to trade 2 to the kings for 5 and 10 and one of those picks would have been moved to the Pacers with 27 and 28 for PG but the Kings said no which I think is smart.
Interesting, Monster. I happen to see Ball as a franchise player so I'm not sure it was the right move for the Kings. But it all depends on what you think of Ball compared to the guys likely available at #5. What this tells me is that the Kings will, in fact, take Fox at #5 and don't see a significant gap between Ball and Fox.
Well it's not like the guy they can get at 10 is a chump either. If they end up with say Fox and Zach Collins that would be a heck of a haul. They don't really need more bigs but Collins may be too good to pass up. It also possible they get a wing at 5 if someone drops and a PG at 10. I would have to be really convinced on Ball to give up 2 shots at a good player if the Lakers were going to throw in one of those lower picks I would be more interested...if I was all in on the guy at 2 which I am not.
I agree with your analysis, Monster. I'd be torn if it were my decision. While I see Ball as a franchise type player, I'd like the idea of adding to very talented picks at #5 and 10.
kekgeek1 wrote:Reports Clippers looking at what they can get for Deandre.
#7 for deandre?
He's got a player option after this upcoming season. Does anyone really think he'd re-sign with us?
Sigh. This is what sucks. Between our geography and our poor season, we simply aren't a place that can have any confidence in trading for and retaining these good vets on shorter deals.
lipoli390 wrote:I see it as a win-win deal given the situation each team is in. The Nets benefit by getting a young lottery talent in Russell without having any lottery picks last year, this year or next. And Moscov can play even though he's not worth his massive contract. The Lakers benefit by clearing Moscov's contract from their books, freeing up cap space next year to pursue Paul George or LeBron James (maybe both). Oh, and the Lakers get one of the League's better centers as well as another low 2017 first round pick.
So what is the Lakers' next move? I think they'll go hard after Paul George. The Nets deal gives the Lakers additional leverage because the Pacers now know that the Lakers will definitely have the cap space to sign George as a FA next year. That means there is absolutely no doubt that, if not traded this summer, George will leave next year without the Pacers getting anything in return.
The three other teams reportedly pursuing Paul George are the Celtics, Cavs and Clippers. I just don't think the Clippers or Cavs have the assets the Pacers would want in return -- i.e., younger high upside players and/or 1st round picks to start a rebuild process. The Celtics can clearly offer the best package for George and can do it without giving up any of the key players who led them to a 53-win season. But I have to believe the Celtics would be reluctant to offer much given George's upcoming free agency and stated desire to play in LA. That leaves the Lakers. And it's probably fair to say that the Pacers would probably prefer to see George go to the West than to a competing East Conference team like the Celtics or Cavs. So the Pacers should be highly motivated to trade Paul George to the Lakers this summer. The Lakers can offer Randle, the #27 & 28 picks in this year's draft and a future 1st. That package is definitely not the equivalent of George's talent. But that's not how NBA trades work. It's above market value, which turns significantly on the circumstances of each team. Given the Pacers' situation, I think they'll take that deal and George will be a Laker this fall.
David Aldridge tweeted that the Lakers tried to trade 2 to the kings for 5 and 10 and one of those picks would have been moved to the Pacers with 27 and 28 for PG but the Kings said no which I think is smart.
Interesting, Monster. I happen to see Ball as a franchise player so I'm not sure it was the right move for the Kings. But it all depends on what you think of Ball compared to the guys likely available at #5. What this tells me is that the Kings will, in fact, take Fox at #5 and don't see a significant gap between Ball and Fox.
Well it's not like the guy they can get at 10 is a chump either. If they end up with say Fox and Zach Collins that would be a heck of a haul. They don't really need more bigs but Collins may be too good to pass up. It also possible they get a wing at 5 if someone drops and a PG at 10. I would have to be really convinced on Ball to give up 2 shots at a good player if the Lakers were going to throw in one of those lower picks I would be more interested...if I was all in on the guy at 2 which I am not.
Assume they take Fox and Markannen
Fox, Hield, SF, Markannen - Skal-WCS - Papi as a big rotstion. sounds like a damn good young core to build on. Great blend of offense, 3pt shooting, and defense.
Smart to turn down that offer as they should spread out the risk post boogie.
