Jester offseason Plan

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Jester1534 wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:I am not a big fan of contracts over 5 years for any player. Manny just has to many flags and I am curious who will pay him and have buyers remorse. If the Dodgers don't make a strong push to resign him then I think that is all we need to know about him.


Dodgers don't need him they have there stud in Seager coming back from Injury. Machado was always a rental to them. I think media turns Machado into more of villain than anybody else. You never hear a bad word about him from his teammates. I think he's one those guys who's cocky and has a temper sometimes which wouldn't be a bad thing for the twins who have been so bland with leadership the past 8 years


I love the idea of going after Machado, but I'm not ready to give up on Sano. Our new manager has been charged with the goal of developing our young players, and I want Sano and Buxton to be his top priorities. I leave Machado at SS, Sano at 3b and move Polanco to 2b. Royce Lewis had an error about every 4 games this past year, so I think he needs a little more time in the minors.
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longstrangetrip wrote:
Jester1534 wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:I am not a big fan of contracts over 5 years for any player. Manny just has to many flags and I am curious who will pay him and have buyers remorse. If the Dodgers don't make a strong push to resign him then I think that is all we need to know about him.


Dodgers don't need him they have there stud in Seager coming back from Injury. Machado was always a rental to them. I think media turns Machado into more of villain than anybody else. You never hear a bad word about him from his teammates. I think he's one those guys who's cocky and has a temper sometimes which wouldn't be a bad thing for the twins who have been so bland with leadership the past 8 years


I love the idea of going after Machado, but I'm not ready to give up on Sano. Our new manager has been charged with the goal of developing our young players, and I want Sano and Buxton to be his top priorities. I leave Machado at SS, Sano at 3b and move Polanco to 2b. Royce Lewis had an error about every 4 games this past year, so I think he needs a little more time in the minors.


I think the only real bone I would pick with Jester's plan would be bringing up Lewis to start the season if he goes bonkers and moves up and worthy at some point sure but I'd take some time. We don't need another Aaron Hicks Buxton type situation where we bring a guy up too soon.
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I agree the Lewis move is Brash. I actually didn't know he averaged that many errors last year. Good find LST, then I would put Machado at SS put Polanco at 3B and sign Forsythe to a one year deal. I just want Lewis to be our Acuna or Soto so bad!!!
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Jester1534 wrote:I agree the Lewis move is Brash. I actually didn't know he averaged that many errors last year. Good find LST, then I would put Machado at SS put Polanco at 3B and sign Forsythe to a one year deal. I just want Lewis to be our Acuna or Soto so bad!!!


He's never going to have that kind of Power. Body composition wise, he is similar to Jeter. 1/2 inch shorter, 5 pounds lighter.
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JasonIsDaMan wrote:
Jester1534 wrote:I agree the Lewis move is Brash. I actually didn't know he averaged that many errors last year. Good find LST, then I would put Machado at SS put Polanco at 3B and sign Forsythe to a one year deal. I just want Lewis to be our Acuna or Soto so bad!!!


He's never going to have that kind of Power. Body composition wise, he is similar to Jeter. 1/2 inch shorter, 5 pounds lighter.


FWIW Lewis had nearly the HRs and doubles last season as Jeter had in his entire minor league career.
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We are just getting rid of Mauers albatross of a contract and you immediately want to double down on a 10 year 300 mil contract?

No.

We don't know what we have on this team. We don't know if we have any pure transcendent talent on any level.

This is not the time to put us back in the position we have been in the last 3+ years.

Buxton is a question. Sano is a huge question. Berrios is still a question ( as far as a true ace ).

It sucks our FO didn't bring up gonsalves, Romero, etc. for a long duration. Hopefully we bring the young guys up this year to see what we have.

This off season is not the one to splurge on, next year or the year after is.

If you like mediocrity, and pseudo competing, then you jump the gun like this.

We just sold off talent in the year Mayer's contract was falling off. These guys are/should be playing the long haul.
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I'm curious to see what Jester's reaction is now that Pollock signed with the Dodgers. Would he have been in favor of that type of deal for the Twins? It looks to more money and for longer than Jester suggested. Jester you may want to wait to chime in till we have the full contract details since it seems like some of these contract numbers have gotten inflated by incentives etc.
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monsterpile wrote:I'm curious to see what Jester's reaction is now that Pollock signed with the Dodgers. Would he have been in favor of that type of deal for the Twins? It looks to more money and for longer than Jester suggested. Jester you may want to wait to chime in till we have the full contract details since it seems like some of these contract numbers have gotten inflated by incentives etc.


From what I seen reported it's 4 years 55 mil? He did get more than I expected and I'm super surprised on the length. I consider myself a Pollack guy but he's injury prone so I would say No I would not be in favor of this deal. I thought with his injury history the next contract he got would be 2 years with and option and that's why I went with 3 years for the twins because that's what I thought it would take to get him here. Anyways good for him I think this phenomenal deal for him.
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Also what another boring offseason for the Twins. Btw I have it on pretty good authority the twins best offer for Cody Allen was 2 years 12 mil with incentives. What a splashy offer to entice someone to come here.
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jester1534 wrote:Also what another boring offseason for the Twins. Btw I have it on pretty good authority the twins best offer for Cody Allen was 2 years 12 mil with incentives. What a splashy offer to entice someone to come here.


Interesting thanks for the info. Honestly I was a little surprised at how much Allen got.

FWIW here is a tweet from Wolfson.

https://twitter.com/dwolfsonkstp/status/1088571273775669248?s=21

"Some background on @ByRobertMurray's scoop yesterday on the #MNTwins making Yasmani Grandal an offer before he signed with Milwaukee: They did, and it was for multiple years in the $13M/year range. Talks never gained traction, unfortunately. But the Twins definitely tried."
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