CoolBreeze's 2 Things I Didn't Like Tonight Plus 1

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

LST, As of today, Okogie has a net rating of +1.1, so he is slightly positive. Are you using the b-ball reference ratings? That's entirely different and includes box score stats. On a per 100 possession basis, he's a +1.1. He also has the third best defensive rating of our regular rotation guys, after Tyus and Dieng.

I think we can do a 10-man rotation with everyone healthy and have Okogie give us 5-10 energy minutes a night, whilst giving Wig a bit more of a breather.

[ItsJustSoSab]

LST, As of today, Okogie has a net rating of +1.1, so he is slightly positive. Are you using the b-ball reference ratings? That's entirely different and includes box score stats. On a per 100 possession basis, he's a +1.1. He also has the third best defensive rating of our regular rotation guys, after Tyus and Dieng.

I think we can do a 10-man rotation with everyone healthy and have Okogie give us 5-10 energy minutes a night, whilst giving Wig a bit more of a breather.

Okogie can always be counted on to bring one thing: energy. Him chasing around Westbrook and other Thunder players definitely has an effect over time. He shouldn't be getting a ton of minutes because of his offense, but he has a place in the rotation

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

LST, As of today, Okogie has a net rating of +1.1, so he is slightly positive. Are you using the b-ball reference ratings? That's entirely different and includes box score stats. On a per 100 possession basis, he's a +1.1. He also has the third best defensive rating of our regular rotation guys, after Tyus and Dieng.

I think we can do a 10-man rotation with everyone healthy and have Okogie give us 5-10 energy minutes a night, whilst giving Wig a bit more of a breather.

Okogie can always be counted on to bring one thing: energy. Him chasing around Westbrook and other Thunder players definitely has an effect over time. He shouldn't be getting a ton of minutes because of his offense, but he has a place in the rotation

Agreed. He's also different than, say, a shooting specialist like Tolliver. Those guys probably need at least 15 minutes or so a game just so that they can get warm. A hustle/defense guy doesn't need that. He can make an impact without having to get into the rhythm of the game.

[Duke13]

LST, As of today, Okogie has a net rating of +1.1, so he is slightly positive. Are you using the b-ball reference ratings? That's entirely different and includes box score stats. On a per 100 possession basis, he's a +1.1. He also has the third best defensive rating of our regular rotation guys, after Tyus and Dieng.

I think we can do a 10-man rotation with everyone healthy and have Okogie give us 5-10 energy minutes a night, whilst giving Wig a bit more of a breather.

I'm too lazy to look at the advanced stats, but, if his stats are bad like LST said it wouldn't surprise me. But to judge him and assess his value in games 25 games ago just doesn't make sense to me. The dude is a rookie and improving daily. It was obvious last night he belonged on that floor, him playing along side Kat and Wig is better then Rose imo, Wig and Kat would of been standing around watch Rose dribble and go 1:1.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

LST, As of today, Okogie has a net rating of +1.1, so he is slightly positive. Are you using the b-ball reference ratings? That's entirely different and includes box score stats. On a per 100 possession basis, he's a +1.1. He also has the third best defensive rating of our regular rotation guys, after Tyus and Dieng.

I think we can do a 10-man rotation with everyone healthy and have Okogie give us 5-10 energy minutes a night, whilst giving Wig a bit more of a breather.

I'm too lazy to look at the advanced stats, but, if his stats are bad like LST said it wouldn't surprise me. But to judge him and assess his value in games 25 games ago just doesn't make sense to me. The dude is a rookie and improving daily. It was obvious last night he belonged on that floor, him playing along side Kat and Wig is better then Rose imo, Wig and Kat would of been standing around watch Rose dribble and go 1:1.

His box score stats are indeed bad...shooting and scoring especially. He's a pretty good rebounder for a 2 and gets his fair share of blocks and steals. But yeah, he does all sorts of hustle type stuff that doesn't show up. He causes travels and draws offensive fouls,, things that don't go into things like PER, Win Shares, etc.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

LST, As of today, Okogie has a net rating of +1.1, so he is slightly positive. Are you using the b-ball reference ratings? That's entirely different and includes box score stats. On a per 100 possession basis, he's a +1.1. He also has the third best defensive rating of our regular rotation guys, after Tyus and Dieng.

I think we can do a 10-man rotation with everyone healthy and have Okogie give us 5-10 energy minutes a night, whilst giving Wig a bit more of a breather.

Thx for the correction, Q...yeah, I was looking at basketball reference where his stats are horrible. Maybe Ryan can get him to stay in his lane on the offensive side of the court, because his shooting stats are horrendous...there isn't one qualified shooting guard with a worse 3-point or overall shooting percentage on ESPN.com right now. Offensive possessions are precious, and a 36/24 shooting percentage just isn't going to work for us. And more frequently opponents are leaving him practically unguarded, which doesn't help our offense. If Ryan can convince him to focus on being a defensive specialist, there may be a positive role he can carve out...but it's tough to play a guy when he only makes 36% of his shots.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Yeah, hard to believe how much Okogie is struggling after two solid shooting years in college. It's not like he was Andre Roberson (9.6 ppg) in college and always just a defense/hustle guy. Okogie had some big time games and made quite a lot of 3's. I don't quite get why he's been so bad other than it's the Wolves.

[Duke13]

I agree LST, with Okogie the lineups you play him with really matter, surrounding him with other shooter and avoiding lineups with Gorgui and or Taj would be good for the offense. A lineup with Kat, Okogie, Tolliver, and Rose would be fun, also the more shooting you have give him more space to attack the rim. He struggles attacking when the lane is congested.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

LST, As of today, Okogie has a net rating of +1.1, so he is slightly positive. Are you using the b-ball reference ratings? That's entirely different and includes box score stats. On a per 100 possession basis, he's a +1.1. He also has the third best defensive rating of our regular rotation guys, after Tyus and Dieng.

I think we can do a 10-man rotation with everyone healthy and have Okogie give us 5-10 energy minutes a night, whilst giving Wig a bit more of a breather.

I'm too lazy to look at the advanced stats, but, if his stats are bad like LST said it wouldn't surprise me. But to judge him and assess his value in games 25 games ago just doesn't make sense to me. The dude is a rookie and improving daily. It was obvious last night he belonged on that floor, him playing along side Kat and Wig is better then Rose imo, Wig and Kat would of been standing around watch Rose dribble and go 1:1.

But the problem is his shooting is getting worse, not better, as the season progresses and he gets more minutes. He's averaging over 29 minutes a game in the last five games, and he's only making 29% of his shots and only 15% of his threes. And his "do shit" stats are rather meagre for a guy getting almost 30 minutes a game...2.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists, .8 blocks and one steal. Maybe he's hit the proverbial rookie wall. If we're throwing in the towel on this season and only trying to develop him for the future, by all means keep playing him. But I'm all in on making the playoffs this year, and would prefer to see Josh getting 35 minutes in Iowa rather than missing 71% of his shots or warming the bench here.

I get the Okogie love...he's a great kid and seems to give his all on the court. I enjoy watching him on defense...most of the time, that is. But I sense he's just the shiny new toy, and that there are better options Ryan can put out there right now if we're serious about this season,

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

How long is RoCo out? This Okogie minutes argument could be moot.