thedoper wrote:Wow. That was great, and insane. Thibs really was a psycho.
Yeah, he learned nothing from his sabbatical. I get that some people are more personable and back slappy than others, but at least sit down with people one on one and get their view on things. All signs are he was just a horrible communicator on all fronts - players, press, business side, etc. Did he not realize that being POBO/Coach meant more than obsessing about the next game and screaming "DO YOUR JOB!!!" to people?
I haven't listened to this and he was also on Mackey and Judd as well. It's worth remembering that when Thibs was hired Jim Peterson on a couple podcasts said he thought Thibs had the chance to be a guy that helped move this team in the right direction and said he thought there was a real chance he would be the right guy like Reeve was for the Lynx. It's not like Jim was against Thibs from the start. Looking forward to listening to what he has to say.
As for Jim not being at practices etc he has said that on air numerous times. It's certainly has been no secret.
I'll listen to what Jim has to say but if you are the broadcast team regardless of who pays your salary I think you can't outright go bonkers on the head coach on air or even on a podcast (while Thibs was still coach). Jim was a coach for the Lynx for years. I think he also had a respect for Thibs just as a coach even if he had significant issues with him. I would think him being on the coaching staff with the Lynx and broadcastor for the Wolves I would guess he has more than a passing relationship with Glen Taylor. I would think there was some communication or information getting to Glen about what Jim thought. These are the types of things Jon K has continually mentioned that Thibs when things get bad he wouldn't have anyone in his corner because he didn't build relationships.
Okay Q and monster, i get that Jim probably wasn't in a position to do reveal much of this during telecasts. But what about all the other media types around the team? Why didn't we hear much of this from Robson, or Zulgad or any of the others covering the team? Certainly Jim Pete wasn't the only guy who was aware of the way Thibs treated people. Why didn't anybody have the guts to do a feature drawing attention to this subject?
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Okay Q and monster, i get that Jim probably wasn't in a position to do reveal much of this during telecasts. But what about all the other media types around the team? Why didn't we hear much of this from Robson, or Zulgad or any of the others covering the team? Certainly Jim Pete wasn't the only guy who was aware of the way Thibs treated people. Why didn't anybody have the guts to do a feature drawing attention to this subject?
He was the POBO. He could literally just say revoke that guy's credentials and his kills their ability to cover the team. You're asking people to risk their jobs/livelihood just to call a guy a jerk publicly. What positive outcome do they gain by roasting Thibs and then losing their access because of it?
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Okay Q and monster, i get that Jim probably wasn't in a position to do reveal much of this during telecasts. But what about all the other media types around the team? Why didn't we hear much of this from Robson, or Zulgad or any of the others covering the team? Certainly Jim Pete wasn't the only guy who was aware of the way Thibs treated people. Why didn't anybody have the guts to do a feature drawing attention to this subject?
He was the POBO. He could literally just say revoke that guy's credentials and his kills their ability to cover the team. You're asking people to risk their jobs/livelihood just to call a guy a jerk publicly. What positive outcome do they gain by roasting Thibs and then losing their access because of it?
I have never heard of a sports writer losing his or her credentials for writing a critical article. And thank God for the first amendment which protects the right to do it.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Okay Q and monster, i get that Jim probably wasn't in a position to do reveal much of this during telecasts. But what about all the other media types around the team? Why didn't we hear much of this from Robson, or Zulgad or any of the others covering the team? Certainly Jim Pete wasn't the only guy who was aware of the way Thibs treated people. Why didn't anybody have the guts to do a feature drawing attention to this subject?
He was the POBO. He could literally just say revoke that guy's credentials and his kills their ability to cover the team. You're asking people to risk their jobs/livelihood just to call a guy a jerk publicly. What positive outcome do they gain by roasting Thibs and then losing their access because of it?
I have never heard of a sports writer losing his or her credentials for writing a critical article. And thank God for the first amendment which protects the right to do it.
Cuban removed Marc Stiens ability to go into the Mavs locker room last year
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Okay Q and monster, i get that Jim probably wasn't in a position to do reveal much of this during telecasts. But what about all the other media types around the team? Why didn't we hear much of this from Robson, or Zulgad or any of the others covering the team? Certainly Jim Pete wasn't the only guy who was aware of the way Thibs treated people. Why didn't anybody have the guts to do a feature drawing attention to this subject?
He was the POBO. He could literally just say revoke that guy's credentials and his kills their ability to cover the team. You're asking people to risk their jobs/livelihood just to call a guy a jerk publicly. What positive outcome do they gain by roasting Thibs and then losing their access because of it?
I have never heard of a sports writer losing his or her credentials for writing a critical article. And thank God for the first amendment which protects the right to do it.
Cuban removed Marc Stiens ability to go into the Mavs locker room last year
Jon K laid out some stuff for the last year on his podcast about how Thibs didn't build relationships with people he was the guy in charge and he was getting what he wanted and if it didn't work it was all gonna he on him. I don't think Thibs was a sadistic jackass as much as he just didn't include many people and that really alienated people and in Jim Peterson's mind he actually felt targeted. Obviously other people felt the same way.
Wolfson would mention over and over again how Crawford couldn't wait to get the hell out of here. My guess is Jimmy actually had something to do with that but Thibs likely didn't involve Crawford in much and that didn't go over well.
Often reporters know more than what they tell you and sometimes they have good reason to do so. I try to give the benefit of the doubt find positives but there was pretty negative reporting for quite a while. The other issue is that there was so little info coming out from Thibs and the organization I think people didn't get the info they really would have liked to get to make some stronger reports. Again Thibs etc didn't communicate and the narrative could go wherever. I think some of the local media didn't feel comfortable just going off of one side.
Q12543 wrote:Well, I think it's safe to say Thibs will not be a head coach or GM in the NBA ever again. Not that he needs the money, but the guy is a lifer. I do think a lot of teams would line up to have him as an assistant, if he cares to do that again. I could also see him being a studio analyst, believe it or not.
Bobby Marks said on Wolfson's podcast he thinks Thibs May get another HC job at some pointHe thinks despite some flaws Thibs can coach but the fact that he was in charge of everything was a problem. He said if Thibs was just the coach in the right situation it might be fine. I could see it I guess. The problem for me is what kind of team fits Thibs now? He isn't gonna be considered a possible elite or high level coach more of a guubthat has to be the right fit. His defensive chops are now questioned. He isn't very modern. He isn't getting younger. Eh...why am I even writing about this I dont really care! Lol
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Okay Q and monster, i get that Jim probably wasn't in a position to do reveal much of this during telecasts. But what about all the other media types around the team? Why didn't we hear much of this from Robson, or Zulgad or any of the others covering the team? Certainly Jim Pete wasn't the only guy who was aware of the way Thibs treated people. Why didn't anybody have the guts to do a feature drawing attention to this subject?
He was the POBO. He could literally just say revoke that guy's credentials and his kills their ability to cover the team. You're asking people to risk their jobs/livelihood just to call a guy a jerk publicly. What positive outcome do they gain by roasting Thibs and then losing their access because of it?
I have never heard of a sports writer losing his or her credentials for writing a critical article. And thank God for the first amendment which protects the right to do it.
It has nothing to do with the first amendment. The first amendment doesn't give them their media credential to cover the team and the league also doesn't give them those privileges either on a team level. Welcome to pro sports where teams can control who gets access to cover them and also what level of access they get. Feel free to cover the team from afar with limited to possibly no media credentials and access to the team you are writing about. Your first amendment rights are still protected. Enjoy telling your boss that you don't have much to write about anymore outside of game recaps because nobody in the organization is gonna talk to you.
And what you are talking about would not come off as just some criticism that is food for thought. It would be an attack on Thibs and he would just cut them out as a result just like he cut Peterson out of practices and obviously cut out other people based on Jim's comments and Jim didn't even do anything to cause that happen to him. What do you think Thibs would do to a media member who actually did something to piss him off? So when you look at that situation, if you were in their shoes would you take that risk just for a high spice article on Thibs that echoes what everyone already knows about him from his time with the Bulls?
Covering sports is a relationship business and getting cutout has the potential to kill someone's career if they only cover that team.
I haven't listened yet. But as described by those who HAVE listened, none of it should be surprising. It's the same stuff Thibodeau was doing in Chicago, which was a big part of why I opposed hiring him in the first place. Jon K reported a year ago on Thibodeau alienating everyone in the organization by the way he treated them. The organization has become a vault with no information flowing out to fans and very little info flowing the the media. People in the organization I've know for years have been tight-lipped, appearing unhappy and generally unconfortable if not downright scared about sharing anything. Generally, people in the organization knew very little.
It was obvious that Crawford wanted out of here because of the atmosphere, which was a function of Thibodeau as both PBO and head coach. The fact that Thibodeau was a jerk was in plain view every game as he constantly barked at his players, berated officials and ignored his assistants when they tried to talk with him. Thorpe said players didn't want to come to the Wolves because of Thibodeau. Thorpe didn't just make that up. He was reporting what players were telling him. So who Thibodeau is has never been a mystery. The Wolves never should have hired him and, having hired him, they should have fired him after his first season when he couldn't coach them to a better record than Sam Mitchell did the previous season when the young Wolves' players were even less experienced. And of course, the Butler fiasco should have triggered his immediate dismissal from the team.
Mark my words, Thibodeau will never be a head coach or a PBO again in the NBA. No organizations other than the Timberwolves were knocking on his door after the Bulls fired him. After what Thibodeau did here and with all the reports that will come out over time, it would take a David Kahn caliber PBO or owner to hire Tom Thibodeau as head coach. I think he might eventually be hired as an NBA assistant coach.
