Trade Talks Update

[Papalrep]

Can anyone see Kat becoming a Tim Duncan type 4 playing with Whiteside at the 5?

[Lipoli390]

Jimmy and dieng for richardson, whiteside and unprotected pick should be what we are asking.

I understand the reluctance in whiteside, but you have to take him if you want to unload dieng. Whiteside is a year shorter and should be moveable a year from now.
Richardson is the player we must get in any deal with the heat. Legit 3 and d guy locked in for a reasonable contract.

Whiteside, if he accepts a bench role and dont act up, would be useful to the team. A bench unit of nunnaly/tolliver/whiteside/tyus/rose is a nice mix of skills.

I dont think we could get eqaul value in a jimmy trade now. The way the situation unfolded just makes it difficult for us. But richardson, unprotected first and swap of dieng/whiteside is not bad.

Whiteside is precisely the type of player you avoid taking in a deal if you're a well-run franchise. He'll be making over $25 million in each of the next two seasons. He's long been known for attitude issues and not giving effort. He makes Wiggins look like Michael Jordan or Bill Russell from an effort standpoint. There's a reason Pat Riley was trying to unload him last February. If you what to know what makes a player tick, defer to the view of those closest to him -- coaches and management of his current team, the Heat. Whiteside is one giant red flag, especially on a team like the Wolves that will probably struggle next season under a lame-duck Thibodeau or an interim head coach like Saunders. We will have veteran players who don't want to be here because they signed when they thought we'd be a playoff team with Butler. The chemistry will be dubious for at least a big part of the season and that's the type of situation that brings out the worst in guys like Whiteside.

Personally, I'd rather keep Dieng. I think folks have been far to down on him. I still think Thibodeau messed him up last season. Gorgui is hard-nosed and serious. He plays hard all the time. He's the only guy on our roster you could count on to take charges. And he's developing a decent 3-point shot that could be used far better by a different head coach. I'm guessing that Riley really likes Gorgui, but he'll make the Wolves decision-makers believe taking Gorgui off our hands is a net negative for the Heat. In truth, I'll bet Riley would love to get rid of Whiteside and have a hard-nosed hard-working player like Gorgui for $10 million less per year.

If up to me, I would simply deal Butler for Josh Richardson, Olynyk, and Miami's 2019 1st round pick - which realistically would probably have to be top 5 protected. I'd also try to get Adebayo included in the deal and I'd include Patton if that's what it took to get him included. Why would Miami do this? Because (1) Riley has no other options to make his team relevant right now, (2) Butler is Riley's type of player; (3) it's Wade's last season and he's tight with Jimmy, (4) Riley has the sort of ego that would have him believe that he could convince Butler to stay next summer and parley Butler into a really good free agent next summer as well, and (5) putting Butler together with Dragic, Waiters, Whiteside and others under their excellent head coach makes the Heat a near certain playoff team in the East.

[KiwiMatt]

Can anyone see Kat becoming a Tim Duncan type 4 playing with Whiteside at the 5?

Opposition lineup depending I say they could call-exist. KAT has the inside/outside game to make it work offensively. Defensively he would have problems keeping in front of quicker power forwards. But having a legit shot blocker next to him would help that issue.

[Lipoli390]

Some Rockets outlets think they can get Butler for Gordon and Tucker, some for just Gordon. I hope we're not that stupid.

Yuck!! If the Wolves do that deal, this will be my last season as a season ticket holder. If Thibodeau has a big say in the deal, then this could happen. Layden may not be a total idiot, but I don't think he's very bright and he's clearly Thibodeau's lap dog.

[kekgeek]

Jimmy and dieng for richardson, whiteside and unprotected pick should be what we are asking.

I understand the reluctance in whiteside, but you have to take him if you want to unload dieng. Whiteside is a year shorter and should be moveable a year from now.
Richardson is the player we must get in any deal with the heat. Legit 3 and d guy locked in for a reasonable contract.

Whiteside, if he accepts a bench role and dont act up, would be useful to the team. A bench unit of nunnaly/tolliver/whiteside/tyus/rose is a nice mix of skills.

I dont think we could get eqaul value in a jimmy trade now. The way the situation unfolded just makes it difficult for us. But richardson, unprotected first and swap of dieng/whiteside is not bad.

Whiteside is precisely the type of player you avoid taking in a deal if you're a well-run franchise. He'll be making over $25 million in each of the next two seasons. He's long been known for attitude issues and not giving effort. He makes Wiggins look like Michael Jordan or Bill Russell from an effort standpoint. There's a reason Pat Riley was trying to unload him last February. If you what to know what makes a player tick, defer to the view of those closest to him -- coaches and management of his current team, the Heat. Whiteside is one giant red flag, especially on a team like the Wolves that will probably struggle next season under a lame-duck Thibodeau or an interim head coach like Saunders. We will have veteran players who don't want to be here because they signed when they thought we'd be a playoff team with Butler. The chemistry will be dubious for at least a big part of the season and that's the type of situation that brings out the worst in guys like Whiteside.

Personally, I'd rather keep Dieng. I think folks have been far to down on him. I still think Thibodeau messed him up last season. Gorgui is hard-nosed and serious. He plays hard all the time. He's the only guy on our roster you could count on to take charges. And he's developing a decent 3-point shot that could be used far better by a different head coach. I'm guessing that Riley really likes Gorgui, but he'll make the Wolves decision-makers believe taking Gorgui off our hands is a net negative for the Heat. In truth, I'll bet Riley would love to get rid of Whiteside and have a hard-nosed hard-working player like Gorgui for $10 million less per year.

If up to me, I would simply deal Butler for Josh Richardson, Olynyk, and Miami's 2019 1st round pick - which realistically would probably have to be top 5 protected. I'd also try to get Adebayo included in the deal and I'd include Patton if that's what it took to get him included. Why would Miami do this? Because (1) Riley has no other options to make his team relevant right now, (2) Butler is Riley's type of player; (3) it's Wade's last season and he's tight with Jimmy, (4) Riley has the sort of ego that would have him believe that he could convince Butler to stay next summer and parley Butler into a really good free agent next summer as well, and (5) putting Butler together with Dragic, Waiters, Whiteside and others under their excellent head coach makes the Heat a near certain playoff team in the East.

I'm 100% with you on Whiteside. He got paid and his effort was gone. I would rather have dieng. I mean dieng did have his best year under thibs also. Whiteside is not good in advance statistics and is one of the most overrated players in ever NBA especially on the defensive end.

[Monster]

One reason why Riley is so willing to deal Whiteside is named Bam Adebayo. Why have a 25 million dollar center when you have one for dirt cheap that might also fit your team better. Whiteside has issues (always has) but Bam and Olynyk makes it even easier to consider moving him. Should we move Dieng to save a year of contract...idk that's a great question. Lip makes an interesting point about Riley maybe likening Dieng. He might fit into what they are trying to do well and for a couple years be even cheaper than Whiteside and also not grumble if not playing 30 mins per night. Wolfson said an Eastern conference executive told him "why would they want Whiteside?" so I'm not sure the Wolves do that deal but it does make some sense to have a dynamic rim protector big on the roster. I'm more interested in getting a wing from Miami than this swap of bigs with contracts.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

If you guys want 3 pt shooting so bad you shouldn't scoff at Gordon. He is a legit bomber and a good ball handler and shot creator. He'd be a much better fit offensively than Jimmy. 36% on almost 9 attempts per game. Tucker and Okogie off the bench is also a defensive pairing second teams wouldn't want to deal with. Not to mention Tucker can play small ball 4. It's obviously not my number 1 choice of a deal, but it's very solid and tanks the Rockets chemistry in the process which helps us.

[Crazysauce]

I really want to know if any young guys like sexton or fultz or knox are available. Would prefer to do the deal around one of these guys

[Coolbreeze44]

If you guys want 3 pt shooting so bad you shouldn't scoff at Gordon. He is a legit bomber and a good ball handler and shot creator. He'd be a much better fit offensively than Jimmy. 36% on almost 9 attempts per game. Tucker and Okogie off the bench is also a defensive pairing second teams wouldn't want to deal with. Not to mention Tucker can play small ball 4. It's obviously not my number 1 choice of a deal, but it's very solid and tanks the Rockets chemistry in the process which helps us.

Gordon is another guy that misses 20 games per year. He's a nice piece if not counted on too greatly. When he is, he breaks down. Not really the best deal we can get.

[Lipoli390]

If you guys want 3 pt shooting so bad you shouldn't scoff at Gordon. He is a legit bomber and a good ball handler and shot creator. He'd be a much better fit offensively than Jimmy. 36% on almost 9 attempts per game. Tucker and Okogie off the bench is also a defensive pairing second teams wouldn't want to deal with. Not to mention Tucker can play small ball 4. It's obviously not my number 1 choice of a deal, but it's very solid and tanks the Rockets chemistry in the process which helps us.

Gordon is another guy that misses 20 games per year. He's a nice piece if not counted on too greatly. When he is, he breaks down. Not really the best deal we can get.

Agreed. And we shouldn't use this opportunity to acquire another 30-year old veteran, much less one with a history of missing games. That move or acquiring Whiteside would be typical Timberwolves' front office moves. This trade shouldn't be about shoring up our 3-point shooting or improving our chances of making the playoffs this season. It should be about getting more young talent to continue building around KAT, Towns and Tyus. Gordon and Tucker are the guys you go after when you're your on the cusp of championship contention and you want to tie up a few loose ends to get over the hump. Without Butler, the Wolves aren't a playoff team in the West. We should focus on being more than just a playoff team in several years. And if we make the playoffs this season, that's great.