TheSP wrote:If you wait to see what you have with young talent you're more likely to find the answer is "not much" than game changers.
Teams don't trade top 20 talents for proven nobody's. It's a gamble for all involved or the trade would never happen.
That works in football. Or baseball. Not in basketball.
Name the last nba championship caliber team that traded for an established #1 or #2 player...
They either drafted them or signed them in FA.
The last teams using trades were Boston, LA (Shaq, and Gasol, Kobe was a trade too technically), Miami (Shaq and Bosh-yes bosh was 3 but a vital part of that team). Plenty of great teams traded for stars. San Antonio is one of the few teams to continually draft light years ahead of everyone, Golden state is right there too but the KD signing muddies the waters.
TheSP wrote:If you wait to see what you have with young talent you're more likely to find the answer is "not much" than game changers.
Teams don't trade top 20 talents for proven nobody's. It's a gamble for all involved or the trade would never happen.
That works in football. Or baseball. Not in basketball.
Name the last nba championship caliber team that traded for an established #1 or #2 player...
They either drafted them or signed them in FA.
The last teams using trades were Boston, LA (Shaq, and Gasol, Kobe was a trade too technically), Miami (Shaq and Bosh-yes bosh was 3 but a vital part of that team). Plenty of great teams traded for stars. San Antonio is one of the few teams to continually draft light years ahead of everyone, Golden state is right there too but the KD signing muddies the waters.
Don't forget Dallas in 2010-11. Practically the only guy on that squad NOT traded for was Dirk. Kidd, Chandler, Butler, Terry....all acquired by Dallas via trades.
TheSP wrote:If you wait to see what you have with young talent you're more likely to find the answer is "not much" than game changers.
Teams don't trade top 20 talents for proven nobody's. It's a gamble for all involved or the trade would never happen.
That works in football. Or baseball. Not in basketball.
Name the last nba championship caliber team that traded for an established #1 or #2 player...
They either drafted them or signed them in FA.
The last teams using trades were Boston, LA (Shaq, and Gasol, Kobe was a trade too technically), Miami (Shaq and Bosh-yes bosh was 3 but a vital part of that team). Plenty of great teams traded for stars. San Antonio is one of the few teams to continually draft light years ahead of everyone, Golden state is right there too but the KD signing muddies the waters.
Don't forget Dallas in 2010-11. Practically the only guy on that squad NOT traded for was Dirk. Kidd, Chandler, Butler, Terry....all acquired by Dallas via trades.
Beat me to it lol I also was gonna say that pistons team that won with Chauncey traded for Rasheed Wallace
TheSP wrote:If you wait to see what you have with young talent you're more likely to find the answer is "not much" than game changers.
Teams don't trade top 20 talents for proven nobody's. It's a gamble for all involved or the trade would never happen.
That works in football. Or baseball. Not in basketball.
Name the last nba championship caliber team that traded for an established #1 or #2 player...
They either drafted them or signed them in FA.
The last teams using trades were Boston, LA (Shaq, and Gasol, Kobe was a trade too technically), Miami (Shaq and Bosh-yes bosh was 3 but a vital part of that team). Plenty of great teams traded for stars. San Antonio is one of the few teams to continually draft light years ahead of everyone, Golden state is right there too but the KD signing muddies the waters.
Don't forget Dallas in 2010-11. Practically the only guy on that squad NOT traded for was Dirk. Kidd, Chandler, Butler, Terry....all acquired by Dallas via trades.
Beat me to it lol I also was gonna say that pistons team that won with Chauncey traded for Rasheed Wallace
And you're all missing the biggest point. What team won big when trading for a star without already having an established one? Pistons are an outlier - no true star just a great fit all around. Miami had wade and a committed LeBron. LA had Kobe. Dallas had Dirk. Boston had Pierce.
You can even go deeper if you want. NONE of those teams traded for a player that did not compliment their current "core". We traded our only true 3 point player for someone who plays the same exact game as one of our potential studs. Hindering that development.
We jumped the gun. Rationalize all you want, but its the truth. The trade never should have happened.
TheSP wrote:If you wait to see what you have with young talent you're more likely to find the answer is "not much" than game changers.
Teams don't trade top 20 talents for proven nobody's. It's a gamble for all involved or the trade would never happen.
That works in football. Or baseball. Not in basketball.
Name the last nba championship caliber team that traded for an established #1 or #2 player...
They either drafted them or signed them in FA.
The last teams using trades were Boston, LA (Shaq, and Gasol, Kobe was a trade too technically), Miami (Shaq and Bosh-yes bosh was 3 but a vital part of that team). Plenty of great teams traded for stars. San Antonio is one of the few teams to continually draft light years ahead of everyone, Golden state is right there too but the KD signing muddies the waters.
Don't forget Dallas in 2010-11. Practically the only guy on that squad NOT traded for was Dirk. Kidd, Chandler, Butler, Terry....all acquired by Dallas via trades.
Beat me to it lol I also was gonna say that pistons team that won with Chauncey traded for Rasheed Wallace
Chauncey was signed as a free agent, but both of the Wallace boys were acquired via trade. They were absolutely pivotal to that title team, especially Ben because he anchored their defense.
So yeah....Most title teams get their #1 guy through the draft or FA, but after that it's a crap shoot. Very few title teams are assembled in a "pure", systemic way. It's usually a diverse array of smart moves, a couple of which turn out fantastically better than expected. After all, you need some really good luck along the way too.
TheSP wrote:If you wait to see what you have with young talent you're more likely to find the answer is "not much" than game changers.
Teams don't trade top 20 talents for proven nobody's. It's a gamble for all involved or the trade would never happen.
That works in football. Or baseball. Not in basketball.
Name the last nba championship caliber team that traded for an established #1 or #2 player...
They either drafted them or signed them in FA.
The last teams using trades were Boston, LA (Shaq, and Gasol, Kobe was a trade too technically), Miami (Shaq and Bosh-yes bosh was 3 but a vital part of that team). Plenty of great teams traded for stars. San Antonio is one of the few teams to continually draft light years ahead of everyone, Golden state is right there too but the KD signing muddies the waters.
Don't forget Dallas in 2010-11. Practically the only guy on that squad NOT traded for was Dirk. Kidd, Chandler, Butler, Terry....all acquired by Dallas via trades.
Beat me to it lol I also was gonna say that pistons team that won with Chauncey traded for Rasheed Wallace
And you're all missing the biggest point. What team won big when trading for a star without already having an established one? Pistons are an outlier - no true star just a great fit all around. Miami had wade and a committed LeBron. LA had Kobe. Dallas had Dirk. Boston had Pierce.
We jumped the gun. Rationalize all you want, but its the truth. The trade never should have happened.
You asked to list teams that traded for their 1 or 2. 6 teams were listed.
To your point I think that your saying that KAT isn't a star yet so we should have waited to see if we could draft or develop someone better than KAT? Fair point. But none of Markanen, Lavine or Dunn is going to be anywhere near KAT so the trade is still ok unless your saying that we would have been better off losing and getting another draft pick who may be better than KAT?
TheSP wrote:If you wait to see what you have with young talent you're more likely to find the answer is "not much" than game changers.
Teams don't trade top 20 talents for proven nobody's. It's a gamble for all involved or the trade would never happen.
That works in football. Or baseball. Not in basketball.
Name the last nba championship caliber team that traded for an established #1 or #2 player...
They either drafted them or signed them in FA.
The last teams using trades were Boston, LA (Shaq, and Gasol, Kobe was a trade too technically), Miami (Shaq and Bosh-yes bosh was 3 but a vital part of that team). Plenty of great teams traded for stars. San Antonio is one of the few teams to continually draft light years ahead of everyone, Golden state is right there too but the KD signing muddies the waters.
Don't forget Dallas in 2010-11. Practically the only guy on that squad NOT traded for was Dirk. Kidd, Chandler, Butler, Terry....all acquired by Dallas via trades.
Beat me to it lol I also was gonna say that pistons team that won with Chauncey traded for Rasheed Wallace
And you're all missing the biggest point. What team won big when trading for a star without already having an established one? Pistons are an outlier - no true star just a great fit all around. Miami had wade and a committed LeBron. LA had Kobe. Dallas had Dirk. Boston had Pierce.
We jumped the gun. Rationalize all you want, but its the truth. The trade never should have happened.
You asked to list teams that traded for their 1 or 2. 6 teams were listed.
To your point I think that your saying that KAT isn't a star yet so we should have waited to see if we could draft or develop someone better than KAT? Fair point. But none of Markanen, Lavine or Dunn is going to be anywhere near KAT so the trade is still ok unless your saying that we would have been better off losing and getting another draft pick who may be better than KAT?
You can also make the argument that Curry was at the same stage as Kat was when they traded for Iggy
