TheFuture wrote:Dunn and LaVine will explode this year. Quote me.
LaVine will avg 25 points on 38+ percent 3P shooting. He was the best 3P shooter the Wolves ever had. Wiggins was the one to dump, not LaVine. The Butler trade was a bust. Thins needs to go.
While I agree with the last sentence, the admiration on this board for LaVine as a basketball player continues to baffle me. Best Wolves 3p shooter? Hardly. Not even as good as Kevin Martin, although there was a strong resemblence on the defensive end of the court. NBA players often look quite a bit different in the post knee-surgery portion of their careers (Rose being just one example) and Zach's 34% 3-point shooting last season doesn't bode well for his future. Look, I love Zach as a guy and it sure was fun to watch him jump (not so much fun watching him get totally lost on defense), but not having to pay his $20 million+ on a long-term deal is the cherry on top of the Butler deal.
khans2k5 wrote:Boy...Ryan Saunders and Kevin McHale. Yikes. Talk about a country club attitude. I don't see any way either of those moves work out with the current situation this team is in. These are the kind of C level moves I was talking about earlier. Saunders just isn't ready and frankly shouldn't be coaching a team with a couple players older than he is regardless if the young guys like him. We can't divide the team into young guys and old guys and hope to do well this year. That's setting someone up for failure. Nobody else comes without a multi-year commitment and that's gonna be a bad set back for this team.
Oh and Mark Jackson is a bigger disaster than Thibs when it comes to interaction with front offices.
There's a reason good organizations like GS and Houston moved on from Jackson and McHale and they both significantly improved after those guys left the building.
How long can JVG be out of the game for him to finally not be a coaching consideration? He's the NBA's Gruden at this point.
None of these are good options. They are just different types of disasters waiting to happen than Thibs.
This is a persuasive post, Kahns. But again, for me. Saunders would be an interim appointment allowing the organization more time to find a permanent replacement for Thibs as head coach. We just don't have time to go through the process of getting the right permanent replacement for Thibs before the season starts and I think we need to move on from Thibs now. I'd view McHale as an interim as well, but with more potential to remain longer term. I don't know what to do about the front office. I'm not confident enough in Layden, but we need time to find a replacement for Thibs as PBO too.
It feels like the people that are ready to move on from Thibs are so thrilled to do so they almost don't care how. I say do this next hire right take the time to do it. First hire your top flight GM and go from there. Take the time you need to do it. If you want a lame duck coach Thibs is one option since we are already paying him or someone else beyond Ryan Saunders. This is a tough situation for Thibs and Layden (regardless of how you feel about these guys) Glen and the team. We don't have some of the information that we need to know if there is a chance that Thibs might have a chance to coach whoever ends up on the roster. I don't think Thibs is the likely to be the right guy to coach this group but I haven't really seen anyone that gets me too excited yet. I'd love for it to be Ryan but I still think it would be a bad situation for him.
We can't keep Thibs. He is toxic and we'd risk KAT not signing. Glen doesn't have time to get a GM and then conduct a search for the right coach and what top prospective coach wants to come here on short notice before our mess is cleaned up. Sure I'd love to vet Hammond, Larranaga, Stackhouse for the job but it might not be realistic for us to get them before the season starts. Luke Walton was thrown to the wolves at a young age and he succeeded, why not Ryan? I bet they play hard for him and I think he can adapt. It might turn out great and if not, he can go back to being an assistant coach.
Yeah, if the rule is you must first have an established, veteran
WolvesFan21 wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:
TheFuture wrote:Dunn and LaVine will explode this year. Quote me.
LaVine will avg 25 points on 38+ percent 3P shooting. He was the best 3P shooter the Wolves ever had. Wiggins was the one to dump, not LaVine. The Butler trade was a bust. Thins needs to go.
While I agree with the last sentence, the admiration on this board for LaVine as a basketball player continues to baffle me. Best Wolves 3p shooter? Hardly. Not even as good as Kevin Martin, although there was a strong resemblence on the defensive end of the court. NBA players often look quite a bit different in the post knee-surgery portion of their careers (Rose being just one example) and Zach's 34% 3-point shooting last season doesn't bode well for his future. Look, I love Zach as a guy and it sure was fun to watch him jump (not so much fun watching him get totally lost on defense), but not having to pay his $20 million+ on a long-term deal is the cherry on top of the Butler deal.
I'll take LaVine TS% over Wiggins this year. Bet?
I wouldn't take that bet. The question is who is the better two-way player. Both have been pretty bad on defense, with Wiggins being much less bad. I'm not sure LaVine's better TS% (assuming that happens) makes up for the other end of the floor.
The bottom line is neither of these guys have done much to distinguish themselves yet. Both are still young and can improve, but the heady expectations originally bestowed upon them in the early days have been tamped down significantly.
khans2k5 wrote:Boy...Ryan Saunders and Kevin McHale. Yikes. Talk about a country club attitude. I don't see any way either of those moves work out with the current situation this team is in. These are the kind of C level moves I was talking about earlier. Saunders just isn't ready and frankly shouldn't be coaching a team with a couple players older than he is regardless if the young guys like him. We can't divide the team into young guys and old guys and hope to do well this year. That's setting someone up for failure. Nobody else comes without a multi-year commitment and that's gonna be a bad set back for this team.
Oh and Mark Jackson is a bigger disaster than Thibs when it comes to interaction with front offices.
There's a reason good organizations like GS and Houston moved on from Jackson and McHale and they both significantly improved after those guys left the building.
How long can JVG be out of the game for him to finally not be a coaching consideration? He's the NBA's Gruden at this point.
None of these are good options. They are just different types of disasters waiting to happen than Thibs.
This is a persuasive post, Kahns. But again, for me. Saunders would be an interim appointment allowing the organization more time to find a permanent replacement for Thibs as head coach. We just don't have time to go through the process of getting the right permanent replacement for Thibs before the season starts and I think we need to move on from Thibs now. I'd view McHale as an interim as well, but with more potential to remain longer term. I don't know what to do about the front office. I'm not confident enough in Layden, but we need time to find a replacement for Thibs as PBO too.
It feels like the people that are ready to move on from Thibs are so thrilled to do so they almost don't care how. I say do this next hire right take the time to do it. First hire your top flight GM and go from there. Take the time you need to do it. If you want a lame duck coach Thibs is one option since we are already paying him or someone else beyond Ryan Saunders. This is a tough situation for Thibs and Layden (regardless of how you feel about these guys) Glen and the team. We don't have some of the information that we need to know if there is a chance that Thibs might have a chance to coach whoever ends up on the roster. I don't think Thibs is the likely to be the right guy to coach this group but I haven't really seen anyone that gets me too excited yet. I'd love for it to be Ryan but I still think it would be a bad situation for him.
We can't keep Thibs. He is toxic and we'd risk KAT not signing. Glen doesn't have time to get a GM and then conduct a search for the right coach and what top prospective coach wants to come here on short notice before our mess is cleaned up. Sure I'd love to vet Hammond, Larranaga, Stackhouse for the job but it might not be realistic for us to get them before the season starts. Luke Walton was thrown to the wolves at a young age and he succeeded, why not Ryan? I bet they play hard for him and I think he can adapt. It might turn out great and if not, he can go back to being an assistant coach.
Fair post one question though. Who makes the important Jimmy Butler trade? I'm not against Thibs being out. I actually see that as the most likely case because I'm not sure he is the guy for whatever group is here (pending the Butler trade). Just because it may seem like Walton succeeded (gonna be interesting him coaching Lebron) doesn't mean the next guy does. Ryan might not even want the job at this point. Lots of stuff we don't know. I think we all can agree this is a damn tough spot to be in.
Also Towns is gonna sign his deal one way or another. He wants Thibs gone it will happen sooner or later.
I would rather keep grooming Ryan for the future than kill it now with this team. I think he is a good young coach, but just doesn't fit right now for the top spot. There isn't gonna be a fire him from the HC spot and he just goes back to being an assistant. If you fire him he's out. Throw someone else to the wolves and give him more time and more responsibility to keep growing. Let the vets like Deng and Taj and Teague and Rose move on after this year and then maybe you can hire Ryan to start the rebuild next year.
