TD retires now it is KG's turn

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bleedspeed177 wrote:I think Flip planned to buy the Wolves va a group of investors including KG. That is out the window now.

I don't think the issue is about Sam ot Thibs. I think it is with Taylor. KG needs to grow up and realize he got paid huge dollars to play this game if he has been wronged it has been small potatoes. Him playing hard ball hurts himself more then the team.


Bleed, I would have thought that the issue is with Taylor too, especially because some of the comments Glen made when KG left for Boston. But then it's hard to understand why Glen is the only person within the Wolves' organization that KG has met with since the season ended...no meetings with Thibs or Leydon, and no reports of any contact with teammates. Hard to understand that.

I only know that the relationship between the Wolves and KG is quite strained right now, but I don't know why. If I had to guess, I would say it has to do with what Sam said last month...that KG is upset about Sam getting fired without a face to face meeting. Maybe KG's ego is so big he thought he should have been consulted or informed before Sam was fired, or maybe he was consulted or informed but ignored. KG seems like the kind of guy who carries a grudge, and he may not be able to move past that. Immature? Yes, but that's KG. I think the Wolves are going to buy him out for the full $8 million (a bitter KG won't be inclined to take a discount), and KG will disappear. I don't envision any retirement ceremony at TC.
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I would love to have a happy KG one more year to keep some accountability in the locker room. No one truly knows the impact he had last year, but a veteran presence, who has won a championship is something that we lack. As others have stated, KG's personality can be good or bad and can rub players the wrong way, but I have no doubts he pushes young players to pay attention and work harder.

I just worry that no KG would be similar to the Twins not having Torii Hunter this year. Nothing is measurable but it seems evident that KG and Torii had an impact.
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Hicks123 wrote:I hate KG more every day. I am sick of the treatment these grown men (I use the term very loosely) get. KG is done as a meaningful player. Now, it is about legacy for him. People bring up that they should sign him for his "farewell tour", much like the Kobe campaign. Did no one else notice how awful that campaign was for the Lakers? At this point, his being on or around this team will be a distraction at best, and an implosion at worst. You have to judge him on a "what can he provide for me now" type scale. The answer is very few games of spot minutes. Hardly worth the negatives he brings.

Do whatever it takes to get him as far away from this team as possible...and do it quickly.



To be fair, do we even know what's going on?

Until we do... this kind of kneejerk black/white stance seems a bit myopic.
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I think this will be Thibs call. If KG is to much of a DIVA he will tell him we are here to win games. Save your DRAMA for your momma. The bus is leaving with or without you. I trust Thibs will handle this after the Olympics. He is going to be frank and respectful with KG.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Hicks123 wrote:I hate KG more every day. I am sick of the treatment these grown men (I use the term very loosely) get. KG is done as a meaningful player. Now, it is about legacy for him. People bring up that they should sign him for his "farewell tour", much like the Kobe campaign. Did no one else notice how awful that campaign was for the Lakers? At this point, his being on or around this team will be a distraction at best, and an implosion at worst. You have to judge him on a "what can he provide for me now" type scale. The answer is very few games of spot minutes. Hardly worth the negatives he brings.

Do whatever it takes to get him as far away from this team as possible...and do it quickly.



To be fair, do we even know what's going on?

Until we do... this kind of kneejerk black/white stance seems a bit myopic.


We don't know exactly what is going on, but there are more and more data points that lend themselves to forming a conclusion.

What we know:
-the Wolves owe KG $8 million for next year
-there is substantial discord between KG and the Wolves organization
-KG has met with Taylor this summer, but not with Thibs. In fact, there are no reports about KG having contact with anyone within the organization since season end...players or management
-in that meeting, KG said his issue was more than just his knee, it's his entire leg
-despite his physical issues, KG wants to play this year
-when KG was healthy last year, he was our best +/- player
-Sam Mitchell says KG was unhappy about the way Sam's firing was handled
-KG has a strong personality, capable of impacting a locker room either positively or
negatively
-the Wolves have an imbalance between big men and PG/wings on their roster, and there are serious concerns about whether KG and Pek can play this year or not

That's a lot of information that we know, either because it is public information or one of our posters heard something from Wolves' higher ups. I'm my opinion, that's a lot of information to lead to an informed conclusion about whether we want him back or not. There are a lot of other things that we don't know, but may be factors in whether we want him back. For instance:

1) does he have a bad relationship with Wig
2) does Thibs have a free agent in mind that he really covets if they were able to buy KG out
3) do the Wolves have an insurance policy that they can cash in if KG can't play, and are his injuries substantial enough to trigger the policy
4) can Pek contribute much this year, in which case there is less need for KG and more need for another wing.

I weigh all of this information, some that we know and some that we don't, and come down on the same side as Hicks. Flip built a really nice roster and Theydon have only made it better this summer with their draft and free agent moves, and they can't allow a disgruntled former superstar to impact the locker room. KG's effectiveness when he was able to play last year and the fact that they owe him $8 million regardless of whether he plays or not makes this a complicated decision, but I still conclude it is time to move on. The sooner they buy his out and get this behind them, the sooner we can return to the optimistic vibe of the summer.
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You must have missed it, LST, but Thibs said he had spoken to KG in one of his press conferences, but that conversation would remain private.

I guess Thibs kept it from your "source", too!
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I should have mentioned something else about your "roster imbalance"...

If you just assume neither KG or Pek are available this season, that leaves you with a 13-man roster. The Wolves would not be the first team to have a 13 man roster. Of those 13, 7 are guards/wings and 6 are bigs. That is not out of balance at all.
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60WinTim wrote:You must have missed it, LST, but Thibs said he had spoken to KG in one of his press conferences, but that conversation would remain private.

I guess Thibs kept it from your "source", too!


My guess is that they have had a phone or text conversation of some kind but not a face to face conversation. That could account for the discrepancies from various sources.
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There could be some past history at work here that we don't know about. What kind of influence did KG have years ago? Are there people including Glen that have regrets about decisions they made because they consulted KG? It was a long time ago and I don't know the validity of the sources but I remember that it was said KG had a hand in wanting Wittman to take over as the coach with Casey fired. Maybe that didn't happen but there had to be a few times KG had some real influence on decisions that were made at some point. Some of those may not have worked out. Maybe Glen thought back to those times and it added to the lack of interest in taking what KG had to say as worthy counsel. If KG wasn't really consulted on any of the moves that were made I bet he didn't like that. On one hand I can see him having reason to be upset about it but on the other hand he really doesn't.

The bottom line is unless some turn of events happen it really does sound like this is going to end and not in a happy way. I don't know a ton but I just can't see the Wolves side just shutting KG out. That seems more on KG. Did the wolves do things in the farther past and more recently to bring that on? Sure they absolutely did but I think KG should IHMO be able to get past some of that. It doesn't sound like he can. If not he should t be around that is NOT what you want around a young team and trying to build something very special young or not. You want a HOF player on board if they are in the organization not pissed at you. Time to move on(based on what I know) and it's best for everyone.

In addition I don't think KG would care much about a farewell tour esp I ally if it ended up basically just for show which to be honest is all it would be. In some ways I actually respect KG for that even though it kinda sucks for the fans.

Favre and the Packers had a messy ending so maybe years from now KG and the Wolves will have a god moment together the fans and KG can appreciate. Oh well if not I'm ok with it. Time to move on. I would have liked to have KG have a better end to his legacy but it didn't happen. That's life. I'll be curious what they do with that roster spot.
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Sorta related...

I heard Roy Hibbert on a podcast. He had this story to share...

The Lakers were all on the plane ready to leave for a road trip at 2:00. But Kobe Bryant wasn't there. Now, if it was anybody else, the flight would have taken off and the player fined. But this was a star player in his farewell season. So they waited. 10 minutes. 20 minutes...

Suddenly, a helicopter showed up next to the plane at 2:30. Bryant got out. But he didn't walk to the plane. He waited for the people on the helicopter to grab his bags and put them in one of those golf cart things. Then, they drove him to the plane about 50 yards away.

When Bryant got on, the team clapped. Bryant wondered why... and somebody said something about how glad they were he could make it. That's when Bryant lowered his shades to say "You mfers are lucky I showed up at all."

The final season of a legendary HOF career can get dicey...


[Note: The other funny part was when he was talking about fans yelling at Lakers players for not helping Kobe in the final game. "He's doing it all out there. Help him!!!" Apparently, the fact that the entire team strategy was to give Bryant the ball and set picks for him was completely lost on the clueless fans.]
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