monsterpile wrote:Some people just like the idea of trading players but what exactly are you gonna be able to get trading Wiggins and or Lavine that's good make you better? I'm sure there would be plenty of offers if Wiggins was made available.
Make the team better in 2017... 2018? I think there are lots of players who fit the bill.
The rub is that it could make the team worse in the long run. Is winning 45 games now worth that?
That's a good point I hadn't considered that angle. The thing that is strange to me is everyome said this team needs shooting and then one person suggested trading Lavine. You can say whatever you want about Lavine but his 3 point shooting seems to be a legit asset. His percentages from are pretty good especially considering he is/was a raw athletic guy.
monsterpile wrote:Some people just like the idea of trading players but what exactly are you gonna be able to get trading Wiggins and or Lavine that's good make you better? I'm sure there would be plenty of offers if Wiggins was made available.
Make the team better in 2017... 2018? I think there are lots of players who fit the bill.
The rub is that it could make the team worse in the long run. Is winning 45 games now worth that?
That's a good point I hadn't considered that angle. The thing that is strange to me is everyome said this team needs shooting and then one person suggested trading Lavine. You can say whatever you want about Lavine but his 3 point shooting seems to be a legit asset. His percentages from are pretty good especially considering he is/was a raw athletic guy.
I think the LaVine/Thibodeau relationship is going to be interesting to watch.
As noted, LaVine is a raw athletic marvel at times. He shot a high percentage once moved to SG for the final half of last season. But he takes dumb shots. (that long contested two pointer after passing up open three pointer UGH UGH) And he has not shown to be a solid team defender. To be fair, few on the team have.
Sometimes, you gotta let a guy like LaVine be him... will Thibodeau let him? And should he if he's doing more incidental damage than good on the court?
monsterpile wrote:Some people just like the idea of trading players but what exactly are you gonna be able to get trading Wiggins and or Lavine that's good make you better? I'm sure there would be plenty of offers if Wiggins was made available.
Make the team better in 2017... 2018? I think there are lots of players who fit the bill.
The rub is that it could make the team worse in the long run. Is winning 45 games now worth that?
That's a good point I hadn't considered that angle. The thing that is strange to me is everyome said this team needs shooting and then one person suggested trading Lavine. You can say whatever you want about Lavine but his 3 point shooting seems to be a legit asset. His percentages from are pretty good especially considering he is/was a raw athletic guy.
I think the LaVine/Thibodeau relationship is going to be interesting to watch.
As noted, LaVine is a raw athletic marvel at times. He shot a high percentage once moved to SG for the final half of last season. But he takes dumb shots. (that long contested two pointer after passing up open three pointer UGH UGH) And he has not shown to be a solid team defender. To be fair, few on the team have.
Sometimes, you gotta let a guy like LaVine be him... will Thibodeau let him? And should he if he's doing more incidental damage than good on the court?
Just another of many story lines to watch.
I think Thibs will tolerate some of the bad shots LaVine takes because of his ability to square up so quickly and get a clean look. They aren't good shots from a textbook perspective, but better him than Dunn, for example, taking those kind of shots.
Zach also benefits by being one of the few consistent 3-point threats on the team. He shot 34% as a rookie, 39% last season, and 38% this pre-season. All signs point to him continuing to be a threat beyond the arc.
I think where Thibs will get on Zach's case more will be defensive awareness and toughness, along with everyone else not named Rubio and Dunn.
I wouldn't trade anyone named KAT, LaVine, Wiggins, Rubio, or Dunn this season. I would be open to offers for anyone else. I would be curious what Dieng and Shabazz would get back. If you can get something back that replaces them at a cheaper cap number moving forward I think you have to consider it. They are not players you pay and risk not signing the core to this team.
bleedspeed177 wrote:I wouldn't trade anyone named KAT, LaVine, Wiggins, Rubio, or Dunn this season. I would be open to offers for anyone else. I would be curious what Dieng and Shabazz would get back. If you can get something back that replaces them at a cheaper cap number moving forward I think you have to consider it. They are not players you pay and risk not signing the core to this team.
Fair enough.
But I don't see the value of keeping both Dunn and Rubio if another team offers up a great bounty.
As two defensive-first PG types who struggle most with shooting... it seems sorta redundant to keep both. I know Dunn isn't ready right now. And would he actually have more value than Rubio?
I'm amazed how quick professional writers write off Lavine and Wiggins' potential after just 2 years in the league. Last I checked 21 year olds don't really dominate the league. You have to look out 4-5 years when all the current stars are out of their prime while they are just entering theirs. How many other 21-23 year olds would you take over them at this point? Not many. It just seems really short sighted to act like you know how good someone will be at 21 when there are guys like Steph Curry who didn't really turn it on until after their second contract started, let alone by 21. Lavine and Wiggins are going to be a monstrous pair on the wings in a few years. They don't have to be all-stars by 21-22 for that to come true.
monsterpile wrote:Some people just like the idea of trading players but what exactly are you gonna be able to get trading Wiggins and or Lavine that's good make you better? I'm sure there would be plenty of offers if Wiggins was made available.
Make the team better in 2017... 2018? I think there are lots of players who fit the bill.
The rub is that it could make the team worse in the long run. Is winning 45 games now worth that?
That's a good point I hadn't considered that angle. The thing that is strange to me is everyome said this team needs shooting and then one person suggested trading Lavine. You can say whatever you want about Lavine but his 3 point shooting seems to be a legit asset. His percentages from are pretty good especially considering he is/was a raw athletic guy.
I think the LaVine/Thibodeau relationship is going to be interesting to watch.
As noted, LaVine is a raw athletic marvel at times. He shot a high percentage once moved to SG for the final half of last season. But he takes dumb shots. (that long contested two pointer after passing up open three pointer UGH UGH) And he has not shown to be a solid team defender. To be fair, few on the team have.
Sometimes, you gotta let a guy like LaVine be him... will Thibodeau let him? And should he if he's doing more incidental damage than good on the court?
Just another of many story lines to watch.
I think Thibs will tolerate some of the bad shots LaVine takes because of his ability to square up so quickly and get a clean look. They aren't good shots from a textbook perspective, but better him than Dunn, for example, taking those kind of shots.
Zach also benefits by being one of the few consistent 3-point threats on the team. He shot 34% as a rookie, 39% last season, and 38% this pre-season. All signs point to him continuing to be a threat beyond the arc.
I think where Thibs will get on Zach's case more will be defensive awareness and toughness, along with everyone else not named Rubio and Dunn.
Well as for letting Lavine do his thing something to consider is Thibs seemed to let plenty of guards jack up shots when he was coaching the Bulls. Jon K has said multiple times he believes Lavine can take tough coaching so he thinks it will be just fine with him and Thibs. I'm certainly not suggesting it's a non issue but the idea Thibs will just bury you on the bench if you take a bad shot or won't play defense seems...inaccurate to a certain extent.
khans2k5 wrote:I'm amazed how quick professional writers write off Lavine and Wiggins' potential after just 2 years in the league. Last I checked 21 year olds don't really dominate the league. You have to look out 4-5 years when all the current stars are out of their prime while they are just entering theirs. How many other 21-23 year olds would you take over them at this point? Not many. It just seems really short sighted to act like you know how good someone will be at 21 when there are guys like Steph Curry who didn't really turn it on until after their second contract started, let alone by 21. Lavine and Wiggins are going to be a monstrous pair on the wings in a few years. They don't have to be all-stars by 21-22 for that to come true.
bleedspeed177 wrote:I wouldn't trade anyone named KAT, LaVine, Wiggins, Rubio, or Dunn this season. I would be open to offers for anyone else. I would be curious what Dieng and Shabazz would get back. If you can get something back that replaces them at a cheaper cap number moving forward I think you have to consider it. They are not players you pay and risk not signing the core to this team.
Fair enough.
But I don't see the value of keeping both Dunn and Rubio if another team offers up a great bounty.
As two defensive-first PG types who struggle most with shooting... it seems sorta redundant to keep both. I know Dunn isn't ready right now. And would he actually have more value than Rubio?
Sure if someone offers a great deal on one of those guys great they aren't untouchable. What if you end up trading the wrong guy? Its possible the player/s you get back in the deal end up being backups. I just don't know what great bounty teams are going to give up especially for Rubio but if they do...sure at some point it's likely one guy has to go assuming Dunn becomes a good starting level PG.
