Q12543 wrote:LST - Playing defense against high school and NCAA competition is just a tad different than the NBA. Plus almost every rookie, even the ones that were known as good defenders in college, struggle on that end of the floor in their first year. I would be shocked if he was anything close to neutral defensively as a rookie with clear physical limitations.
Monster - I like Tyus's PG mentality and ability to knock down an open jumper. If we had stronger defensive pieces on the wings or the interior, I probably wouldn't complain as much about the pick. But until Bazz, Dieng, and LaVine prove they know how to defend, Flip is simply adding to the problem by getting a one-way offensive player. I would have preferred to err on the other side of the equation by getting a one-way defensive prospect that can run an offense, but perhaps struggles with their shot.
So two PGs who can't shoot? I think it's good to have a backup PG who can come in for a change of pace from Rubio. The one rub is that I don't think either guy is the type to finish at the rim. Then again, Saunders and Terrell Brandon were quite the match...
Q12543 wrote:LST - Playing defense against high school and NCAA competition is just a tad different than the NBA. Plus almost every rookie, even the ones that were known as good defenders in college, struggle on that end of the floor in their first year. I would be shocked if he was anything close to neutral defensively as a rookie with clear physical limitations.
Monster - I like Tyus's PG mentality and ability to knock down an open jumper. If we had stronger defensive pieces on the wings or the interior, I probably wouldn't complain as much about the pick. But until Bazz, Dieng, and LaVine prove they know how to defend, Flip is simply adding to the problem by getting a one-way offensive player. I would have preferred to err on the other side of the equation by getting a one-way defensive prospect that can run an offense, but perhaps struggles with their shot.
So two PGs who can't shoot? I think it's good to have a backup PG who can come in for a change of pace from Rubio. The one rub is that I don't think either guy is the type to finish at the rim. Then again, Saunders and Terrell Brandon were quite the match...
Keep in mind who he's out there with on the wings - some combination of Martin, LaVine, Shabazz, Wiggins, and potentially Budinger. All of those guys know how to score; only one knows how to defend.
60WinTim wrote:For PG, Q, being able to continue a similar style of offense when Rubio sits is more important to me than getting a one-way defensive PG.
I may have missed it, but just who did you have in mind for the Wolves to get at #24, or #31 and #36?
Don't know...I wasn't nearly as studied up on prospects after the first few guys. It's an issue of odds to me: three 2nd rounders, including #31 and 36, vs. pick #24. Which has the best odds of producing at least one NBA rotation player? I'll take three darts, you can have your one.
Yeah, well, Flip HAS studied up on all those guys, and Tyus was someone he wanted. He turned your darts into the one dart he wanted. So far, it's pretty tough to complain about Flip's college player evaluations...
60WinTim wrote:Yeah, well, Flip HAS studied up on all those guys, and Tyus was someone he wanted. He turned your darts into the one dart he wanted. So far, it's pretty tough to complain about Flip's college player evaluations...
Time will tell. I think the draft is part crapshoot/part skill. I'd still take three chances to hit a bullseye versus one chance.
I hope I'm wrong on Tyus. I don't think his game translates and he will be a huge defensive liability. Can he bring up the ball up the court and set up an offense? Yes. But so can Lorenzo Brown.
60WinTim wrote:Yeah, well, Flip HAS studied up on all those guys, and Tyus was someone he wanted. He turned your darts into the one dart he wanted. So far, it's pretty tough to complain about Flip's college player evaluations...
Time will tell. I think the draft is part crapshoot/part skill. I'd still take three chances to hit a bullseye versus one chance.
I hope I'm wrong on Tyus. I don't think his game translates and he will be a huge defensive liability. Can he bring up the ball up the court and set up an offense? Yes. But so can Lorenzo Brown.
The difference with Tyus is he can shoot theoretically. Brown gives you solid PG play length (doesn't seem to make much good use out of it) and seems to be around the ball. I know what your point is though and I agree with you. To me I'll take a guy that can play even if he is bad at defense. Luke was that guy for us a couple years ago too bad he couldn't have played as a backup we would have been in good shape there. I know Tyus is unlikely to be that good this next year but I think you get where I am coming from.
60WinTim wrote:Yeah, well, Flip HAS studied up on all those guys, and Tyus was someone he wanted. He turned your darts into the one dart he wanted. So far, it's pretty tough to complain about Flip's college player evaluations...
Time will tell. I think the draft is part crapshoot/part skill. I'd still take three chances to hit a bullseye versus one chance.
I hope I'm wrong on Tyus. I don't think his game translates and he will be a huge defensive liability. Can he bring up the ball up the court and set up an offense? Yes. But so can Lorenzo Brown.
60WinTim wrote:Yeah, well, Flip HAS studied up on all those guys, and Tyus was someone he wanted. He turned your darts into the one dart he wanted. So far, it's pretty tough to complain about Flip's college player evaluations...
Time will tell. I think the draft is part crapshoot/part skill. I'd still take three chances to hit a bullseye versus one chance.
I hope I'm wrong on Tyus. I don't think his game translates and he will be a huge defensive liability. Can he bring up the ball up the court and set up an offense? Yes. But so can Lorenzo Brown.
Personally, I think there's a significant gap between L. Brown and T. Jones... whether you're comparing them as high school, college or pro players.
