KG's deal is 2 years for $16M

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I'm sure the same people who says that who cares that it doesn't affect our cap anyway are the same ones who freaked out because heaven forbid Thad Young would opt into his deal at 9 million so we had to dump him at all costs

Heh, that's a very good point.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

I'm sure the same people who says that who cares that it doesn't affect our cap anyway are the same ones who freaked out because heaven forbid Thad Young would opt into his deal at 9 million so we had to dump him at all costs

I can't speak for others, but I'll cop to being one of those who says "who cares" and was also concerned about Thad Young opting in at close to $10 million per. So you're right, at least about me. But I'm not sure what your point is. I think you're suggesting that Young had as positive an impact on the Wolves as KG does, and so we should be equally worried about the size of their contracts, but I think that's a false narrative. KG only played 5 games for us last year, but I was at 2 of them, and they were 2 of the best played games we played all year. KG made us better, and I didn't think that Thad Young did. It's that simple.

I also think KG's "knee injury" last year was about as serious as the "knee tendonitis" he suffered at the end of the most famous Wolves tanking season...the one that allowed Madsen to become a 3-point sniper. In other words, not at all serious.

I'll give you credit for being the first to nail the size of KG's contract, and I concur with others that I would have liked KG to give something back to the team in the form of a home-town discount a la Duncan. But at the end of the day, it's not my money and doesn't appear to hamstring us in terms of the cap...so any worrying about this 2-year contract is unnecessary.

2 games long. And I'm sure if KG was out there with Brewer at point guard instead of Rubio, Jeff Adrien, Bud instead of Martin, like Thad did, those games probably look a hell of a lot different.

[mjs34]

I'm sure the same people who says that who cares that it doesn't affect our cap anyway are the same ones who freaked out because heaven forbid Thad Young would opt into his deal at 9 million so we had to dump him at all costs

I was more worried that Flip would sign Thad to a deal similar to what the Nets just did. I don't see Thad as a winning BB player, which is also the reason that I have no issue with the KG deal. Say what you want about mentoring, but there is just something about having a future "HOF" player getting pumped up whether it be on the floor or on the bench as well as always being in someones ear. Thad never showed any of that.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

I'm sure the same people who says that who cares that it doesn't affect our cap anyway are the same ones who freaked out because heaven forbid Thad Young would opt into his deal at 9 million so we had to dump him at all costs

I was more worried that Flip would sign Thad to a deal similar to what the Nets just did. I don't see Thad as a winning BB player, which is also the reason that I have no issue with the KG deal. Say what you want about mentoring, but there is just something about having a future "HOF" player getting pumped up whether it be on the floor or on the bench as well as always being in someones ear. Thad never showed any of that.

The Nets were out of the playoff race before the trade. They ended up making it after the trade and Thad was one the biggest reasons why. How do you explain that?

[GymRat [enjin:6592663]]

I'm sure the same people who says that who cares that it doesn't affect our cap anyway are the same ones who freaked out because heaven forbid Thad Young would opt into his deal at 9 million so we had to dump him at all costs

I was more worried that Flip would sign Thad to a deal similar to what the Nets just did. I don't see Thad as a winning BB player, which is also the reason that I have no issue with the KG deal. Say what you want about mentoring, but there is just something about having a future "HOF" player getting pumped up whether it be on the floor or on the bench as well as always being in someones ear. Thad never showed any of that.

The Nets were out of the playoff race before the trade. They ended up making it after the trade and Thad was one the biggest reasons why. How do you explain that?

Placebo effect, plus they moved Williams and a couple others to the bench. That same effect is why I don't put a ton of stock in the Wolves' performance when KG was on the floor for those few games. Everyone was excited and it permeated every aspect of their play and demeanor, but it was far more than what Young provided at any point, so we'll just have to wait and see how this season goes without the honeymoon version of KG's impact.

But I do think it says a lot the Wolves were willing to pay a 39 year old KG 8MM over Thad Young, and it isn't just nostalgia.

[Monster]

I'm sure the same people who says that who cares that it doesn't affect our cap anyway are the same ones who freaked out because heaven forbid Thad Young would opt into his deal at 9 million so we had to dump him at all costs

I was more worried that Flip would sign Thad to a deal similar to what the Nets just did. I don't see Thad as a winning BB player, which is also the reason that I have no issue with the KG deal. Say what you want about mentoring, but there is just something about having a future "HOF" player getting pumped up whether it be on the floor or on the bench as well as always being in someones ear. Thad never showed any of that.

The Nets were out of the playoff race before the trade. They ended up making it after the trade and Thad was one the biggest reasons why. How do you explain that?

Well Thad has gone to the playoffs a few times in the east so... Saying Thad isn't a winning basketball player seems like a pretty low blow to me.

Here is the deal the way I see it of where this board is at with the KG deal.

1. We got KG in the trade and it became obvious he was coming back beyond this year so this deal is no surprise. We have been preping ourselves for this deal in either positive way or negative or both. Lol

2. There was wide speculation on what the number ($$) would be for KG both in how much he was actually worth or how much he would get. Quite frankly everyone is probably just breathing a sign of relief it's less than 10 million a year. Almost everyone here wanted this deal to be much less than KG got so it's not like anyone is thrilled with 8 million per year. 3-5 million I think posters here would have a much larger consensus of "good/great deal".

3. There are a couple posters here that are against KG coming back at any number. Not everyone if for KG being back.

4. Cap ramifications for next year. Maybe KG's deal won't make much difference next year but I cant just dismiss that number completely. I really doubt we spend much next season but what if the right guy is available and we find we have nothing at PF? Maybe we wish we could have made a bigger offer to a guy. I can't have it both ways saying "no way pick up Bennett's deal" and be perfectly fine with KG's 8 million.

Where I am at is if we are talking 4 million a year for KG and he plays even 50 productive games each of the next 2 years at around his same impact of the last couple years I doubt you will find too many FAs that will actually impact your team for that kind of money.

Then you have the idea KG will provide some vet leadership. I don't know if that will make guys better on the court or translate to wins but this franchise has a real problem with absolute lack of leadership especially vet players. We need a legit vet leader and KG brings that. That value could be included for the 4 million I would be comfortable with. It I could also tack on another million and probably be fine with it.

I like KG is back I just think he is anywhere from 2-4 million a year overpaid. It helps we got a good deal on Bjelica to help counteract KG's deal. It's done so let's see how it plays out.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Here's the thing, everything that people say that KG will bring can easily be had without giving him a roster spot and a player's salary. Nobody is saying how great he'll be for those 20 minutes 3 games a week, nobody. It's

Mentoring
Showing the kids how to play the right way
guiding them in practice
being a leader

You can give him a coaching spot, or hell, just make up a title for him, "timberwolves ambassador" or something, and he can still do all those things, and for a hell of a lot less then 16 million dollars and a roster spot.

Big men go get post up advice for Hakeem, is that not that same? I think Kareem does the same thing. Is that costing teams 16 million and a roster spot?

What if Bejelca turns out to have a season like Mirotic did and is awesome and should play 30 minutes a game? Does KG still get his minutes? If so then do you just scrape giving Payne/Bennett any minutes?

So besides KG and Towns, you have Bejelca,Dieng,Bennett, Pek, Payne all in those 4 and 5 slots. The odds say at least 1 one of those guys is going to show he deserves big minutes. So what if two of those guys show that the deserve minutes? Hell what if 3 of them do? Does KG still get his?

There's just no sense in giving the guy a roster spot if his main contribution is off the court

[Phenom]

I was a Thad guy, so no.

[60WinTim]

Obviously I am not going to change your mind, Alex. So we'll just have to agree that we disagree.

While I love all the things I think KG can bring off the court, your kidding yourself if you don't think he brings something extra on the court. I love that he gets a "farewell tour" playing for our home Town team. ;-)

You make some valid, but flawed points. But in the end, having KG here is better than having Thad here. Having too many players deserving of minutes is a good problem. One we have not experience in a LONG time. And while we might wish we had that extra 8 mil of cap space next year, I am confident it will have been money well spent.

Oh, and your Brandon Roy comparison is NUTS. Exactly the same? They aren't remotely the same...

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

So for the price of Deandre Jordan, we have kg, k mart and chase?