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Monster
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It might be a good idea to read up why there is a moratorium.

I am not crying for the Mavs. If teams could sign FAs day one maybe Jordan signs with the clippers idk.

I heard that Cuban was running his mouth bigtime about getting Jordan so maybe he should have kept his mouth shut till the deal was done.

Now I will say that holing up in Jordan's house is pretty chicken shit. If the reports about Cuban running hia mouth are true maybe it's deserved. Regardless this was an entertaining turn of events for sure. It will be interesting to see how the Mavs recover.
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Pretty classless for Deandre and the Clippers. It always seemed like he didn't really want to leave in the first place. Cuban is not a likable guy, but the Mavs and their fans got screwed on this one. Gotta believe their will be some new policies and procedures in place to try and avoid this sort of thing in the future.
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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

104. What is the July Moratorium?

It is a period during the month of July in which teams may not sign most free agents or make trades. Free agents become free on July 1, but the salary cap is not set until the league's audit is completed later in the month. Teams and players must wait for the salary cap to be set before trades and most free agent signings can commence. Teams may negotiate with free agents beginning July 1, but they have to wait until the moratorium ends before signing a contract. The dates for the July Moratorium are as follows:

Season July Moratorium Players may be signed beginning
2012-131 July 1-10, 2012 July 11, 2012
2013-14 July 1-9, 2013 July 10, 2013
2014-15 July 1-9, 2014 July 10, 2014
2015-16 July 1-8, 2015 July 9, 2015
2016-17 July 1-11, 2016 July 12, 2016
2017-18 July 1-11, 2017 July 12, 2017
2018-19 July 1-10, 2018 July 11, 2018
2019-20 July 1-9, 2019 July 10, 2019
2020-21 July 1-8, 2020 July 9, 2020
There are a few types of signings that are allowed to take place during the July Moratorium. Generally, these are the signings that do not depend in any way on the specific value of the salary cap:

Teams may sign their first round draft picks (to a standard rookie "scale" contract -- see question number 49)
A second round draft pick can accept a required tender, which is a one-year contract offer teams must submit to retain their rights to the player.
A restricted free agent can accept a qualifying offer from his prior team (see question number 44).
A restricted free agent finishing the fourth season of his rookie "scale" contract can accept a maximum qualifying offer. The player will receive the maximum salary, but the actual amount is not determined until the end of the moratorium (see question number 44).
Teams may sign players to minimum salary contracts for one or two seasons, with no bonuses of any kind.
Teams may make a waiver claim (see question number 65) during a player's waiver period when the player was waived June 29 or 30.
All other signings must wait until the moratorium ends.

1 There was no July Moratorium in 2011-12 due to the 2011 lockout.
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Who's Ray MacCallum?
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SameOldNudityDrew wrote:Pretty classless for Deandre and the Clippers. It always seemed like he didn't really want to leave in the first place. Cuban is not a likable guy, but the Mavs and their fans got screwed on this one. Gotta believe their will be some new policies and procedures in place to try and avoid this sort of thing in the future.


I actually like Cuban. But I don't feel bad for him. Nor do I think the Mavs got screwed. Jordan was an all-or-nothing gamble for the Mavs. They dumped Tyson Chandler and ensured cap space to sign Jordan. There was no alternative for them. So even if Jordan had never said yes to the Mavs, they would be in roughly the same position they're in today as a result of Jordan changing his mind. Cuban knew the rules and the risk. Hard to feel sorry for an owner, team or fan base for losing something they never had.

I also don't blame the Clippers. Apparently it was Jordan who reached out to them. And the rules are clear. There can be no signed enforceable contracts until after the moratorium. So there was nothing inappropriate about the Clippers talking to Jordan in response to his overture.

As for Jordan, I agreed he should have told Cuban about his change of heart as a courtesy before or immediately after re-signing with the Clippers. But I see it as a pretty small blemish on Jordan's character. A small mistake at an emotional point in Jordan's professional career.
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Yeah, I agree with your take, lip. And thanks for the clarification on the moratorium, monster.

I now understand that they need to set the salary cap before trades and signings can happen, but I don't understand why they need that week where teams and players can talk but not act...seems designed to create a situation like we went through yesterday. It was an odd day, and I think it will lead to change. I think that next year teams and players won't be allowed to interact until the cap is set...makes a lot more sense to me.
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It was handled terribly. Ridiculous even. These are men. Act like it.

But I have a much larger problem with it. I know that the 365/24/7 news cycle has been an effective strategy for growing the NBA brand. And that almost every move the NBA makes is to grow its brand with the casual fan... even if it slowly alienates the true fans. They know we're watching either way. But grabbing hold of the casual people earns money. Problem is... the desires of the fans who have followed the NBA are second fiddle behind middle-aged housewives.

Personally... I dislike (very much) the grocery store aisle tabloid mentality that has permeated our country. Kim Kardashian is FAMOUS... very famous... for (1) a sex tape and (2) non-stop marketing of her ample bosom and vacuous mind. Now, we're seeing it extend beyond MTV or movies and entering into sports.

DeeAndre Jordan breaking unwritten rules of NBA basketball... and hiding from a man who was about to give him $80M... is being championed. I don't see how this is a good thing.
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Who is to say this scenario couldn't be an orchestrated plan to hurt another team? Dallas has now been shut out of the quality free agent hunt and will likely tear the team down and start over. LA now has one less playoff team with which to compete. I doubt this is was case, but unless the rules are changed to eliminate the "verbal" commitment period this could happen.
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I think having a couple days for teams and players to talk without being able to sign actually makes some practical sense if you have a FA league the way it is set up. Let guys talk to a couple teams have more than a couple hours to decide their future. I think they time they have now is too long so my suggestion is shorten the time to 3 or 5 days or whatever that makes sense to me.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:It was handled terribly. Ridiculous even. These are men. Act like it.

But I have a much larger problem with it. I know that the 365/24/7 news cycle has been an effective strategy for growing the NBA brand. And that almost every move the NBA makes is to grow its brand with the casual fan... even if it slowly alienates the true fans. They know we're watching either way. But grabbing hold of the casual people earns money. Problem is... the desires of the fans who have followed the NBA are second fiddle behind middle-aged housewives.

Personally... I dislike (very much) the grocery store aisle tabloid mentality that has permeated our country. Kim Kardashian is FAMOUS... very famous... for (1) a sex tape and (2) non-stop marketing of her ample bosom and vacuous mind. Now, we're seeing it extend beyond MTV or movies and entering into sports.

DeeAndre Jordan breaking unwritten rules of NBA basketball... and hiding from a man who was about to give him $80M... is being championed. I don't see how this is a good thing.


This post resonated with me. I wish schools taught critical thinking skills. Instead it seem like we move closer towards what is portrayed by the movie "Idiocracy"
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